Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported Missing 7/15/2008: #1

[housemouse]

Here it is, Soulscape... I didn't copy and paste it because it is within orb almost the entire month. I think we have to look to the Moon to see when something might "zap" through.

But, I haven't done any research to see if there are any semi-squares or sesquiquadrates. Maybe I will get around to it tomorrow? But, maybe around September 21st? Would have to go check where the Moon is around then. (See below the Pluto square Sun delineation as to why maybe we can look to the 21st)


Transit PLUTO square natal Sun
Sep 3 through Sep 30, exact on Sep 25

This long-term influence is likely to bring difficult but not insurmountable circumstances, the nature of which involves overcoming those with more power than your own, a new start or regaining something that was lost, or dealing with the threatened loss of your own power or influence. This is a period when much strength and other benefits may be gained but not without some frustrations or setbacks that test your inner drive and determination, humble your egotistical attitudes and ambitions, and challenge your integrity and generosity.

Transit SUN opposed natal Sun
Sep 20 through Sep 22, exact on Sep 21

Though some circumstances may proceed smoothly in spite of this influence, you are not favored to emerge the winner in ego-related situations. This is not a fortuitous time for you to resist the authority of others or to exhibit arrogant or aggressive attitudes that at any other time might cause your opponents to back down. You have reached the halfway point in your birthday year which makes it a good time to measure your progress (or lack of it) over the last six months.

 

[Lovejac]

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Great to hear from you Soulscape! It is suspicious, to say the least, with the call off of the search in the middle of the day. Have been reading posts from people who actually were searching with TES today and they seemed to feel a different vibe. A few even felt, kind of 'hurried' out of there. I pray, pray, pray that something was found today.

QUOTE=Soulscape;2639168]Housemouse,

How about Transit Pluto square natal Sun, with Pluto going direct on 9/8th?

Casey's secondary progressed Jupiter has been on her natal Sun, possibly buffering her / bringing her protection and luck, from the onslaughts of transit Pluto.

I wonder, wonder, wonder whether transit Pluto going direct will generate the force to bust through SP Jupiter's protection and ZAP (the square aspect) THAT SUN!!!

I wouldn't be at all surprised if something breaks in this case as early as tomorrow / within a week or so.

Thanks,
Soulscape[/QUOTE]

 

[housemouse]

There is no way to know whether or not they have found anything. All we can do is hope.

But, please remember what TM said early on. If I remember Right, he said there was only a 9% chance that they could find her, if she was put in water.

So, the percentages are very much against Caylee being found. But, we can pray.

But, we also have to remember to pray that His Will Be Done.

 

[dreamweaver]

Also, I usually do not pay as much attention to houses as some astrologers do, but notice how many planets there are in the 9th house?

That is the natural house of Sag. ruled by Jupiter (searching all over, big search), and the Moon is in Sag (same symbolism), but in the 12th (co-ruled by Jupiter and Neptune). A quick summary? Too much water!!!

Or, on the hopeful side? Great success in water search! Hope this shows you how important it is to check one's biases at the door when studying charts.

It is so easy to look for what you want to read, by using the language in a way that fits your preferences. And, this is why it is best not to make predictions, but to wait and see what, if anything, happens. If anything does, it will fit the language, but on God's terms, not ours.

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I feel the same way. I enjoy astrology and charts. But it is always in God's hands, not ours.

 

[Lovejac]

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Good Morning to all here

I have been looking at Caylee's chart in relation to the time of her last known sighting - June 15/16. I will try to write in plain english to make myself understood to all.

At this general time, I feel like she was nervous, and worried much of the time. (Moon in hard aspect to Mercury in progression.) Mercury is for movement, and Moon is for her emotions/nurturing - so she probably didn't feel like she was very secure, did not feel a stable home base. We know that she spent time going from place to place with her mother, she was taken from the security of her grandparents home, and this did not sit well with her. I would imagine she probably wasn't eating as well as she should, due to being nervous and constantly on the go. You know the nervous feeling you get in your stomach when stressed? Moon also in hard aspect to Sun in progressions, this underlines the general tension and poss. health/diet problems. Moon progressed into third house (Mercury ruled) of day to day movement and thought patterns. Prog. Moon within the last ten months or so entered the sign of Scorpio, which can be a period of crisis and upheaval. Things were changing in Caylee's life, and this was difficult for her, being so young, to understand and to properly deal with. She felt insecure and could do nothing to stop it. There is other stuff pointing to her nervousness also with strained/broken relationships all around. This is devastating to a Libra Moon baby, as harmonious relatioships are necessary for the well-being.

Now, on the days when she was last seen, there were several indicators of an accident. Transitting Mars was conjunct her Asc. Transitting Mars was also conjunct her progressed Sun. If I saw this in the chart of one of my own children, I would try to maintain a safe environment for them. Keep them safe from cuts, burns, scalds, physical fights. I would also watch for a child to assert themselves, as Mars energy will lend self assertion and sometimes anger. Under this influence, a child might tend to speak out - or act out (as little ones at this age will do). Remember she is under alot of stress at the time. I am wondering if there was a accident that day that may have stemmed from cross words being exchanged? Other things I see indicating a sudden, sharp event is transitting Uranus in hard aspect to both Caylee's natal Mars and Pluto. This is triggering her natal configuration of Venus - Mars - Pluto, which Housemouse has gone over, I don't have to repeat. Trans. Uranus is quincunx and Transitting Neptune is opposite the progressed Ascendent along with several other aspects point to a sudden tramatic occurance/separation that may be hidden. (Neptune's influence)

It makes me very sad to type this. I get the feeling that there may have been an accident or fight covered up. Hidden, also because there is so much 12 house emphasis in her natal chart, and due to the fact that there is the Sun Neptune opposition.

There is alot of activity with Caylee's chart and it is difficult for me to sort through. Upsetting. Maybe the other astrologers can better explain.

 

[Lovejac]

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In the event some of you are curious about the keywords I use in trying to figure out "forensic" charts, here they are. Please, if you are looking at your own natal charts, do not apply these to yourselves, for these are only used in charts like Casey's, when there is a crime, or a missing person.

Sun: men, authority figures, self, day of the event.

Moon: Female emotions, family

Mercury: the mind, communication, thief, children, neighborhood

Venus: women, attraction/lust, money,

Mars: anger, cruelty, fighting, violence, sex, brutal attacks

Jupiter: increases, excess, male figures

Saturn: isolation, separation, restriction, control, loss

Uranus: sudden, unusual, strange, explosion, accident, extraordinary

Neptune: mysteries, missing individuals, drugs, alcohol, drowning, suicide, water, chemicals/drugs

Pluto: murder, abduction, death, rape, abuse of power, ruthless use of force


You can look at the legend I posted a few pages back, check the charts, and see how I came to my conclusions.

Next I will post the midpoints I use in trying to figure out the forensic possibilities.

 

[Lovejac]

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I am going to have a hard time with this. And, keep in mind that I am looking at the chart through the lens of "what happened to Caylee?"

Sun and Mercury opposing Neptune. Mercury inconjunct Uranus

Reinforces the Neptune issues.

drugs/drowning/gas/deception/lies/asphxiation
the above also reflects the mystery of her unknown father, and the possible lying about the same. Also unusual sudden events


Mercury and Saturn squaring Mars while Venus and Pluto both sesquiquadrate Mars, Venus squares Pluto. Moon inconjunct Mars

This is a horrible set of aspects.

suffering, separation caused by disputes, arguments, by force.
brutal and coarse expression of feeling, hastiness, premature action.

Now, the above words come straight from Ebertin's Combination of Stellar Inluences.

These aspects are consistent with something awful happening to little Caylee, as well as all the lying and deception about it. I can't be sure, because of Neptune and all the "water" shown by the 4th house and 8th house whether Caylee will ever be found. I am also not sure that we will ever get the total truth about what happened.

I wish I could find a ray of light, or hope. I will have to keep looking.

I could say more about which planet rules what, but am too depressed by it all.

Adding this: With Scorpio on the fourth house, and Pluto, the ruler in the fourth, there is a possibility that Caylee's little body was placed in a dumpster somewhere. The reason I say that is that Mars, Saturn, and Pluto rule garbage and garbage collection. If this is the case, and I do not know that it is... (just my specualtion)... Cayleee's body may never be found, going back to Neptune.

 

[Lovejac]

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OK, Housemouse & Neptunian (and other astrologers following this thread), I think we need to keep in mind some of our techniques are a little advanced for many followers of this thread. What we want to accomplish is to show how we work up a chart and how we come to the conclusions we come to, without overwhelming everyone with all the technicalities.

To the beginner astrologers, rusty astrologers and non-astrologers, please keep in mind ANY astrologer --- the 3 of us included --- can misunderstand or misinterpret the message of the stars, because we are humans and not perfect.

I am going to forego midpoints for the time being, first because they are not my specialty and second because Housemouse can explain them way better than me.

Housemouse, I am going to ask you to please create a biwheel showing Caylee's natal chart in the inner ring and this #3 phone call by Cindy to 911. If interested people will print the three charts: (1) Caylee's natal chart posted a few pages back, (2) the #3 phone call chart posted above, and (3) the biwheel showing Caylee's natal as inner ring and the #3 phone call to 911 as the outer ring, and if you keep the charts in front of you, I think it will be easier for you to follow my commentary.

Forensic astrology is complicated and astrologers approach it differently. My approach is to use horary astrology techniques. This is called forensic horary astrology. A horary chart answers a question, such as **Where is my lost cat?** or **Will I get the job I applied for?** A forensic horary chart answers questions such as **Where is the missing person?** ... **Is the missing person dead or alive?** ...**Was the missing person murdered?** .... **Was it an accident?** ... **Was it suicide?** .... **Who is the perp?** and other such questions.

The most frustrating thing about forensic astrology is not having accurately timed charts. I hesitated getting involved with this case for a good 10 days after I heard about it because there was so much conflicting information out there. First it was said Caylee went missing on 6/9, then 6/15. Now supposedly 6/16 at 12:50 pm (supposedly last time George Anthony saw his granddaughter). Then there was the supposed phone call from Jesse Grund stating he HEARD Casey yelling at Caylee and was **100% sure** he heard Caylee in the background on 6/24. Later he retracted that statement saying he couldn't be positive he really heard Caylee during that phone call.

This is all extremely frustrating to the astrologer, who needs accurately timed charts in order to get the real picture.

The big break for astrologers came when OC Sheriffs dept posted the log on the phone calls from Grandma Cindy to the police. According to their web log, Cindy Anthony made the third phone call to LE at 9:41 pm on 7/15/08. This was the call where she told them her granddaughter was missing and that they found the car and it smelled like there was a dead body in the damn car. A Chart cast for this time is called the Police Report. It is the time the fact that a person is missing is phoned into the police.

The next huge break for astrologers came when Greta VS interviewed Cindy for OTR in Cindy's home and Cindy took Greta into Caylee's bedroom. The cameraperson zoomed into Caylee's birth certificate hanging framed on the bedroom wall!!

So now we have two very good timed charts. Another chart that will be worth looking at would be the chart cast for the start of the **flurry of phone calls** made by Casey Anthony, starting at 3:03 pm on 6/16/08 (according to phone records).

But for now, to get started, I would like to look at Caylee's natal, the #3 phone call to LE, and the biwheel showing both. We need to start somewhere, and I think there are clues in the timed event charts as well as Caylee's timed natal.

Later, if you are interested, we can also look at Cindy and Casey's charts but they are not timed which somewhat limits our ability to judge them . Still, there are aspects in those charts that would not change regardless of time of birth, so they are worth looking at.

If anyone has an alternative way to approach this they think makes more sense, please say so. Otherwise, I will start a commentary on what I see in the charts and how I came to my judgements. I will try to keep jargon to a minimum.

For the record, IMO, astrology is not a belief or a religion or even a philosophy --- it is a LANGUAGE. Star language. Astrologers are people who attempt, with varying degrees of success, to understand/ translate star language.

The stars don't lie. People lie, but the stars don't lie. The truth is in there, whether we as astrologers can see it/ understand it/ interpret it correctly or not.


Thanks,
Soulscape

 

[Lovejac]

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Neptunian, I have just read your analysis above and am stunned at how perfectly it seems to fit in with what I saw in the #3 Phone Call to LE chart I just finished copying and pasting below!!

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for posting this!!!

~~Soulscape

(Now my analysis...)

First, although they probably don’t realize how helpful they’ve been to forensic astrologers, thanks so much to OC Sheriff’s Dept. for posting onto their website the log pinpointing the exact time of Grandma Cindy’s #3 phone call to Police --- 9:41 pm on 7/15/08, Orlando, FL.

This is a critical chart. It is one of the very few timed charts that we have. It is especially important because it is the very first time LE was informed Caylee was missing. The exact words of Grandma Cindy were posted: **I found out my granddaughter has been taken, she has been missing. My daughter finally admitted that’s she’s been missing. My daughter finally admitted that the babysitter stole her. I need to find her … There’s something wrong. I found my daughter’s car today and it smells like there’s been a dead body in the damn car.**

I’m going to start with this #3 Phone Call to LE chart. I think it will be easier to follow my thought process if you print out the charts and refer to them as I make my comments.

Preliminary Observations:

1. The Nodes are across the horizon (the funny little horseshoe shaped symbols at 18 Aquarius/Leo. This shows a fated quality to the chart.
2. Chiron (looks like a K) and Neptune rising suggests an emotionally painful, mysterious situation. The ASC (ascendant), North Node, Chiron and Neptune are all conjunct (next to each other) in the 1st house. This is a very close mirror of Cindy making that phone call. If you listened to the recorded call you know she was emotionally distraught/ in a high amount of emotional pain, and she obviously didn’t have a clue (Neptune) where her granddaughter was.
3. The Sabian Symbol for the ASC degree is: 17º Aquarius (317): A WATCHDOG STANDING GUARD, PROTECTING HIS MASTER AND HIS POSSESSIONS. Whoa!! All she cares about at that moment is finding her little granddaughter. She is that child’s protector, that child is her prized possession…

So which planet represents missing Caylee in this chart? In horary astrology, we give the 1st House and its Ruler to the Querent (the person asking the question). Reading from a forensic perspective isn’t always that simple. I know of some astrologers who use the 1st House & its Ruler as the Missing Person. I have found in my experience that sometimes that works --- and sometimes it doesn’t. Usually, but not always, I find the 7th House & its Ruler describes the Missing Person.

In this chart, I am certain that the 7th House & its Ruler describes Caylee Marie Anthony. Look at her natal chart: Caylee’s natal Sun is at 16:58 Leo – exactly conjunct within 8 minutes of Arc the #3 Phone Call to LE Descendant, 16:52 Leo.

What do I see next? The malefic South Node smack on the Descendant, which would be Caylee’s 1st House. That in itself is chillingly ominous.

*Note: in horary astrology, we turn the chart. Since I’ve assigned Caylee to the 7th House, it becomes Caylee’s 1st House. Virgo (with Libra intercepted) becomes her 2nd House, Scorpio her 3rd House, Sagittarius her 4th House, etc.

So where is Caylee (symbolically)??

The turned 1st is Leo, Ruler is the Sun. In this chart, the Sun is posited (located) in the radix 6th House – the turned 12th House. The 12th House is considered a very bad place in horary astrology – it is the House of Sorrow, Misfortune & Woe. Also notice the Sun is below the horizon (the horizontal access ASC/DES). This is not a good place for Caylee’s ruler to be found. Having one or both of the Lights (Sun and Moon) below the horizon in a horary chart can be a testimony for death. The Sun (Caylee) is trine Uranus, the planet of (among other things) sudden changes, accidents, shocking occurrences.

The Sun (Caylee) is opposite Jupiter, traditional ruler of the turned 8th House of Death. (In traditional astrology, Pisces is ruled by Jupiter, not Neptune.)

The Sun (Caylee) is partile (in the same degree) inconjunct (150 degrees) Neptune --- the modern ruler of the turned 8th House of Death. Uranus is conjunct the turned 8th House of Death. The Fixed Star Scheat (not on chart) is just inside the turned 8th House of Death, at 29:29 Pisces and it is square the Moon/Pluto conjunction (28 – 29 Sagittarius) in the radix chart’s 11th House of Death in the Family.

As if all this weren’t enough, sickeningly, there’s more…

I will continue in another post in a little while.

If anyone has questions or comments, please post.

Thanks,
Soulscape

 

[Lake Erie Princess]

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I just read what u posted asnd I am in awe, total awe !
There is so much truth to this astrology. What a gift ! Thanks for the time u spent. I DO appreciate it !:blowkiss:

 

[Lake Erie Princess]

Lovejac
I wanted to bump this up.
Hopefully you have done more with the charts ?

I love reading what you find according to the stars.

 

[Lovejac]

Hello, LEP, I am sorry, but I can't take credit for this! Soulscape did this. I am learning, just got some recommeded reading. My printer ran out of ink last night, so I bumped some charts so I could get to them easier. The real pros on this thread are housemouse, soulscape & neptunian! :blowkiss:

Lovejac
I wanted to bump this up.
Hopefully you have done more with the charts ?

I love reading what you find according to the stars.

 

[magic-cat]

Bumping too...

 

[dreamweaver]

No post yet from HouseMouse re: Lee A chart.
I guess I am just too anxious to see how it all fits into the family interactions.
I hope you are doing okay, HouseMouse. I read you take care of your husband and have many other obligations.
Thanks to all who do so much work here.

 

[MeenaMom]

i am taking Caylee's chart to our monthly astrology group and hope we discover something
~Carrie

 

[Lovejac]

i am taking Caylee's chart to our monthly astrology group and hope we discover something
~Carrie

Hey, Meenamom,

I just saw your post. Thank you so much for doing that! It is much appreciated.

I assume you have read about all of the wonderful insight given to us from housemouse, Soulscape & Neptunian. ALL of their charts have been RIGHT ON with verified times and dates. Forensic astrology, how awesome is this!

I myself, am fascinated and have just begun to study.

We all appreciate any additional findings that you and your group can offer!

I look forward to posting with you!:crazy:

 

[Lovejac]

[bumpingQUOTE=housemouse;2611565]Late in the evening of September 13th (Saturday) the Sun will begin making the following contacts, by hard aspect, and in this order:

Casey's Pluto, Uranus, Sat/Nep midpoint, Mercury, and Mars,


At the same time, (transit) Sat/Plu midpoint will be in hard aspect to (transit) Uranus and the Sun.

And, the Moon will transit all these points from late night on the 14th to about 10 AM on the 15th.

What can I tell from all this? There are a whole range of possibilities involving tremendous strain, tension, emotional shocks and physical danger, breakdown, and violence.

Whether this relates to Caylee's death, or Casey herself, I do not know. It is a time to watch however, and see how these transits relate to the case.

On a personal level, I hope it is the time Casey is charged, but that is just my bias. Can't find that in the charts, alas, as I do not have enough experience to know what to look for.[/QUOTE]

 

[Lovejac]

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I have read that Equusearch has called off the search for Caylee, citing environmental conditions.

I am guessing the decision was made a few hours back, when the Moon was squaring Sun and Saturn. We are hearing about it now. (The sextile between Venus, Mars, Mercury and the Moon,) but also notice these three planets are squaring Jupiter.

The above suggests that TM realizes that they are facing too big (jupiter) a challenge (square) looking for Caylee, and that the chances for success are very low.

The Moon is also squaring Uranus, in addition to the Sun and Saturn. This suggests that outward success will not be easy, and there may have been unexpected and unpredictable situations.

But, on the other hand? If I were into "wish-casting" this chart, I could hope that the Sun's trine to Jupiter indicated some kind of success in finding Caylee, and we just haven't heard about it yet. And, further "wish-casting" would have the announcement of this when the Moon gets a bit farther along in Sagittarius. Maybe when it squares Uranus, or gets closer to Pluto...

 

[Lake Erie Princess]

Lovejac~
Thanks for the new input ! It is appreciated, and I do think you are better at this THAN you give yourself credit for ! You are a genuis, don't be so humble !

 

[MeenaMom]

Thank you Lovejac those boys and you are perfectly beautiful,we are praying to move to SC soon.Housemouse, Soulscape and Neptunian have given incredible insight....I turned the others onto the site also and I hope they come visit.Currently working on a horary chart the group asked tonight hopefully I have something interesting to say tomorrow...I am so grateful for this thread..This case hurts my heart,and I am sure the hearts of so many others.....What an amazing beautiful Leo child Caylee is and powerful teacher also.....