Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported Missing 7/15/2008: # 5

[Psmith]

In the chart for today's search per warrant, there are critical degrees everywhere: the ASC, the DSC of course, Pluto, Mercury, Jupiter & Neptune and cusps of H. 3 & 9 both 4' from critical. What is shown by Mercury is the critical need for some evidence before it is moved, disposed of or destroyed. The peregrine Libran Moon, separating from contraparallel to Saturn before she squared Mercury is the signature of a woman in the case who refuses cooperation and who misrepresents facts and bears false witness.

As described in detail in an earlier horoscope for December 16, the research into the marrow yielded a wealth of information about the health and the body of the victim, particularly was this achieved on that day. The crime scene personnel were on a quest for chemical match ups within the premises at Hopespring, along with other items. Mars was exactly sextile Neptune on December 16, as thoroughly explained in that chart, and this was the follow-up.

I am always trying to understand this woman. Does she do it from a love of her child or a love of her home or her self / reputation? A real resentment of LE, authority figures, or other male dominance issues?

I realize these may not be separable, but something is driving this person beyond reason.....and even her own health, mental and physical, to a point where 1) the very values in store seem corrupted or undermined; 2) her own well being.

It is very painful to watch, when it is not maddening. Sorry, but frank.

I recall that this person does not have an essentially "mothering" aspect or view. Perhaps I misread? I also recall fixed signs, in a very rigid pattern of squares and oppositions.....perhaps incorrectly.

What drives her this hard and this far? I have read charts of person in detail, but would like some more enlightenment or whatever you can provide to assist in understanding this person.

Thanks for consideration.

 

[Tuba]

That was a nice recognition from another astrologer who put a lot of work into the search. Congratters, Soulscape!

Kaitland, for the first time today, I heard JB say, the fact that you're a liar doesn't mean you're a murderer. He knows. Oh yes, he knows. But as I have said on other threads, it is so unbelievably insulting to have someone lie to your face. And think if it is something to dread every time the person speaks to you. Worse, the prisoner is never embarrassed to do this. Is there any greater insult? And yet, and this runs the skewer through, she has said she is beginning to trust her attorney because she needs to. Look at thine own image in thy looking glass, Miss A! Shattered? That's a risk you have to take. 700 years bad luck. What a pity.

 

[beckaroozie]

Congrats on the recognition Soulscape, you deserve it! You, Tuba and the other astrologers on this thread are amazing. It's great that others know that as well!

I have a question -- did you see the 'sexual' aspects in any of your charts that were mentioned by the other astrologer? That is an interesting (and horrifying) scenario. Have you looked at the chart she did to see what you think of those aspects she points to?

Thanks for all you do.

 

[CourtsInSession]

Kudos Soulscape!

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

:blowkiss:

Kait

Wonderful to see a fellow astrologer praise your hard work and give you credit. You well deserve it as does our other terrific astrologers at WS.

 

[Tuba]

It's late but I think housemouse has insight into Cindy. I remember her writing about it long ago. I will tell you this. Some, like Carl Jung, have put fixed squares to great purpose. My late brother in-law had an exact Fixed Cross of important planets, because so precise a real crucifixtion. Yet his parents put him through Stanford, he married young and remained with his wife until death did them part. He had a most successful career as an accomplished engineer for Solar. He even had much maligned Aries rising and yet was quiet, gentle, modest and not selfish. He has a wonderful grown son.

Cindy has, besides considerable fixity, the very sound inner structure of Jupiter in Libra sextile Saturn in Sagittarius. Her Mercury is precisely sextile Mars in Pisces and she went into nursing, perfect choice for that rather uncomfortable Mars. She is made of solid stuff. Right now there is a broken heart in her progressions and the wound of betrayal also. The way she is functioning is an abomination. She needs to recommence valuing the truth and she needs to read a simple tract on owning up, accepting responsibility. Not for what a monster did, just for her own day to day behavior. She's got good stuff in her--the best! That Jupiter and Saturn in beautiful relationship and good Signs can't be beat. And then, Gemini, stop giving out and take in for a change. People really don't like it when you ride over them with a herd of words. It's like a stampede. I hope she gets a grip and reverts to her former self. From what I'm seeing, it may be too late.

 

[FifthEssence]

Congrats on the recognition Soulscape, you deserve it! You, Tuba and the other astrologers on this thread are amazing. It's great that others know that as well!

I have a question -- did you see the 'sexual' aspects in any of your charts that were mentioned by the other astrologer? That is an interesting (and horrifying) scenario. Have you looked at the chart she did to see what you think of those aspects she points to?

Thanks for all you do.

Somewhere in previous posts a while back, I believe it was Soulscape who discussed her promiscuous tendencies.

 

[beckaroozie]

Somewhere in previous posts a while back, I believe it was Soulscape who discussed her promiscuous tendencies.

I remember that too Fifth - thanks. Have you read the bottom paragraphs of the other astrologers blog? Read it and let me know if I'm reading it wrong. Was very troubling to me. Those are the 'aspects' I was concerned with...not KCs promiscuity.

 

[FifthEssence]

I remember that too Fifth - thanks. Have you read the bottom paragraphs of the other astrologers blog? Read it and let me know if I'm reading it wrong. Was very troubling to me. Those are the 'aspects' I was concerned with...not KCs promiscuity.

I don't believe KC would be willing to sit in jail all this time if there was a participant or witness to the crime. That person would have been thrown under the bus a long time ago. It seems that w/the big bucks 'reward' money out there at the time, if someone had knowledge or witnessed the event, they would have seeked immunity, pointed to the location and made claim to the reward.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Psmith]

It's late but I think housemouse has insight into Cindy. I remember her writing about it long ago. I will tell you this. Some, like Carl Jung, have put fixed squares to great purpose. My late brother in-law had an exact Fixed Cross of important planets, because so precise a real crucifixtion. Yet his parents put him through Stanford, he married young and remained with his wife until death did them part. He had a most successful career as an accomplished engineer for Solar. He even had much maligned Aries rising and yet was quiet, gentle, modest and not selfish. He has a wonderful grown son.

Cindy has, besides considerable fixity, the very sound inner structure of Jupiter in Libra sextile Saturn in Sagittarius. Her Mercury is precisely sextile Mars in Pisces and she went into nursing, perfect choice for that rather uncomfortable Mars. She is made of solid stuff. Right now there is a broken heart in her progressions and the wound of betrayal also. The way she is functioning is an abomination. She needs to recommence valuing the truth and she needs to read a simple tract on owning up, accepting responsibility. Not for what a monster did, just for her own day to day behavior. She's got good stuff in her--the best! That Jupiter and Saturn in beautiful relationship and good Signs can't be beat. And then, Gemini, stop giving out and take in for a change. People really don't like it when you ride over them with a herd of words. It's like a stampede. I hope she gets a grip and reverts to her former self. From what I'm seeing, it may be too late.

I do see that the person is strong, worthy, reliable and with many other good traits. Just beats the dickens out of me....is it pride against having said something which turned out not to be true that stops her....ie, looking a fool? I guess it's hard to imagine to me that anyone would think their own investigative powers were greater than those of detectives or FBI .....yet....KC thought so (investigating on her own, etc.) ...where did she get that idea from. CA?

I'm going back to the idea about male dominance and CA's profession. Many experienced nurses resent the unproven by years authority of doctors.....after years of authority in the hospital and for each patient, who knows best after all (with a certain planetary configuration) than Cindy, RN? Additionally, she is the one who also says, more or less, "science is science: hocus pocus. I know what I know...." These are recollected approximations, not exact quotes.

Very dreadful.

Just trying to figure out CA....


PS: I recall CA's body and facial expressions in one of those KC goes to jail for a check-in escorted by Rob Dick and BH people tapes where CA is running after KC trying, wanting to get her little chicken under wing and.....failing... her expression says it all to me, in essence: My girl, my girl, my love, my soul........mostly: my child...... That would be in August. But we also know CA was harsh to KC, deserving or not. Yet, that was a mother face and aspect: save and herd in the endangered, to be lost one.

Times change...structure of hospital and drs. and patient remains the same, Cindy RN disbelieving?

Refusing to believe that the patient she "knew" would heal or die vs the drs. diagnoses? Why so important? Hmm. Silly me. Probably not. geesh.

 

[Soulscape]

I remember that too Fifth - thanks. Have you read the bottom paragraphs of the other astrologers blog? Read it and let me know if I'm reading it wrong. Was very troubling to me. Those are the 'aspects' I was concerned with...not KCs promiscuity.

Hello Beck,

Each astrologer brings his/her own background/ experiences/ intuition/ knowledge, etc. into their chart analysis. We each come to our astrological conclusions based not only on the astrology, but from our own perspectives and gut feelings. To some degree we are like the blind men examining the elephant: we can only describe what we sense to the best of our ability.

As pieces of the puzzle are revealed, we go back to our charts and study where we were correct, what we misread. That's how we hone our art and improve our accuracy. Carefully considering the work and observations of other respected astrologers is mandatory. Personally, I am exceedingly grateful to the input of Housemouse, Neptunian, Tuba and Kaitland whom I consider among the best of the best in the field of forensic astrology.

I will not second-guess the work of a respected fellow astrologer.

The astrologer to whom you refer is one I respect. If you read her first post on the case you will gain more insight into how she reads charts and how she came to the conclusions she came to. She feels strongly there is both a male accomplice and a sexual component to the crime and while her astrological reasoning is sound and I can clearly see how she "got" this, it does not resonate with me.

I have stated repeatedly from the start, that based on my own careful examination of the critical charts and what I have come to learn about the case, that I believe there was no accomplice before, during or after the crime and that the perp acted alone. Furthermore, I do not believe there was a sexual component to the crime. Instead I believe it was a crime based on rage, anger, control and revenge. It was KC herself who said early on, "maybe I'm a spiteful b*tch."

Since the remains are completely skeletal, there will be no way for forensics to determine if there was sexual assault so we will likely never know, as "the truth & Ms. A. are strangers".

As FifthEssence commented above, if there had been an accomplice, surely the MOTY would have thrown him/her under the bus by now.

Thanks,
Soulscape

 

[ZubenElSchemali]

I respect your opinion, FifthEssence but it is your opinion, at this point. I've read most everything on the news sites including the documents released, except the tips and those types. I've also done a lot of reading in various places regarding the science behind the trunk evidence. I don't think it is quite as cut and dried as Nancy G would like everyone to believe. As for the air sample, I see that all of the gases in the chart are also present with pig decomposition. The one question I have that wasn't answered in that report is if carbon tetrachloride is present in both pig and human decomp. I read conflicting things about the death band so I haven't come to a firm conclusion there. One site said the band gets darker the longer it decomposes which doesn't seem to fit with only 2.6 days. But even that doesn't show any kind of premeditated murder on its own. Remember, cause of death hasn't been proven yet.

My conclusions on the hair banding came from an article entitled, "Estimating the post mortem interval in forensic cases through the analysis of Postmortem deterioration of human head hair" by James Hughes Collier, his thesis as part of his Masters. In it, his studies show that hairs with a short post mortem, meaning 90 days or less have a yellow banding or none. The dark bands were found on long post mortem individuals. He states that further studies need to be done to determine for sure if the change from yellow to dark is dependent on time. There was one exception. The post mortem interval was only 1 day inside the 90 day short duration, being 89 days. What is also interesting is that the control study, 0 days post mortem, alive, also had yellow banding. It was a 59 year old live Caucasian male. So, if there was a dark band I believe it must have been from a body longer than 89 or 90 days. That doesn't fit their case at all. That is likely why they are scurrying around trying to find other evidence. Now, it may be that they have found a certain drug or chemical in the toxicology review and were looking for that.

But, you have to understand that my reading of a chart, while taking into consideration, the known details, isn't dependent on those details. The stars never lie. Error comes if we interject or project our own preconceived ideas onto the chart. This is the hardest task for an astrologer, getting ourselves out of the way so that Spirit can speak and then understanding what those words are, according to the significators.

Respectfully,
Connie

 

[21merc7]

Hey folk, another public ACKNOWLEDGMENT of the quality of the work presented by our insightful Astro's. This article spotlights our *SOULSCAPE* .

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2008/12/caylee-anthony-update.html

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

:clap::clap::clap: Happy to see you guys getting some acknowledgement, if you want it or not, you deserve it! Congratulations!

P.S. Don't you guys ever sleep? I am looking at the times you posted last night/this morning, wow.

 

[ZubenElSchemali]

(respectfully snipped)

I disagree with you on the rainfall. From City of Orlando website (all for this year):

May - 1.58"
June - 7.95" (2007 was 3.48 - so 2008 was more than twice what 2007 was)
July - 9.14" (slightly more than 2007 of 8.34)
August - 12.98"
September - 4.09"

This to me, does not suggest orlando was anywhere near dry. The rainfall for July alone was 75% of what August and didn't even have a hurricane.

link to source:
http://www.cityoforlando.net/public_works/stormwater/rain/rainfall.htm

I got my information from this site http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KORL/2008/6/15/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA I stated else where that from July 15 to the end of the month, Orlando only had about 3.5" of rainfall. When rain falls an inch or three at a time it drains away within away quickly. These calls from the meter man came well before Fay.

Daily history for Orlando
August 1 .05"
2-6 00"
7 .02"
8 .11"
9-11 00"
10 .43" hardly a flood
11 .03

As you can see, this total rainfall hardly represents a deterrent to searching. I think the officer didn't want to get wet on the 10th or there were other motives behind this lack during the 3 calls. I am also quite aware I have heard LE saying rain prevented them from searching and this simply isn't the case. So Casey isn't the only ones with mistruths here. Another is how far in Tim was allowed. They denied he was in there but he was. I guess its ok for LE to have double standards. Yes, Fay did hinder Equisearch, but that was long after the investigation should have been conducted by LE (about Aug 20).

 

[Lovejac]

I got my information from this site http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KORL/2008/6/15/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA I stated else where that from July 15 to the end of the month, Orlando only had about 3.5" of rainfall. When rain falls an inch or three at a time it drains away within away quickly. These calls from the meter man came well before Fay.

Daily history for Orlando
August 1 .05"
2-6 00"
7 .02"
8 .11"
9-11 00"
10 .43" hardly a flood
11 .03

As you can see, this total rainfall hardly represents a deterrent to searching. I think the officer didn't want to get wet on the 10th or there were other motives behind this lack during the 3 calls. I am also quite aware I have heard LE saying rain prevented them from searching and this simply isn't the case. So Casey isn't the only ones with mistruths here. Another is how far in Tim was allowed. They denied he was in there but he was. I guess its ok for LE to have double standards. Yes, Fay did hinder Equisearch, but that was long after the investigation should have been conducted by LE (about Aug 20).

Aquarian, apparently there is a video recording of the area in question that was recorded on Aug 11, 2008 by a psychic who was doing a 'blind drive'.
They showed it on a show last night. I will try to find the link for you to view, but it showed that the area was underwater. I haven't seen it yet, just heard it reported on the news. I will find it and let you know. Cat

O/T: I am an Aquarius, born 1/27/69, is that your sign, also? Just wondering if that is how you chose your username!

 

[Spitfire4ever]

Aquarian, apparently there is a video recording of the area in question that was recorded on Aug 11, 2008 by a psychic who was doing a 'blind drive'.
They showed it on a show last night. I will try to find the link for you to view, but it showed that the area was underwater. I haven't seen it yet, just heard it reported on the news. I will find it and let you know. Cat

O/T: I am an Aquarius, born 1/27/69, is that your sign, also? Just wondering if that is how you chose your username!

Here is a link to the video

http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm

 

[Lovejac]

Okay, here is the post about it. It was on Geraldo last night. I will try and find the video, I'm sure PattyG has it up on utube for us.

In case this link doesn't go straight to the post, it is post #88 on page 4 of the Geraldo thread from last night.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76857&page=4


Dang, you guys are too fast. Spitfire! Thank you so much, my hubby and sons are screaming for pancakes!!!

 

[Spitfire4ever]

Okay, here is the post about it. It was on Geraldo last night. I will try and find the video, I'm sure PattyG has it up on utube for us.

In case this link doesn't go straight to the post, it is post #88 on page 4 of the Geraldo thread from last night.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76857&page=4


Dang, you guys are too fast. Spitfire! Thank you so much, my hubby and sons are screaming for pancakes!!!

You're welcome. I just happened to be checking into it myself. Better go feed those troops.

 

[ZubenElSchemali]

Thanks Lovejac. I'll be interested to see it. I saw her recently refer to her search during that time and she was not specific about the area, it was generally in that area. I guess I'd have to see the lay of the land in that spot. If it is cut in order to be a collection pond or drainage reservoir it would slop down from the road. It is not likely that would be the deeper part since her body was found under a bush only 10 or 15 foot off the road. The pictures I see don't look like a quick steep drop off either so if there was water in that whole area it would likely have gone to the road or at least been clearly visible as one drives by. Does anyone her live in that area? I know the neighbor teen with the video showed ferns fully grown and someone said that spot was under water until a 1week and a half or 2 weeks prior. My knowledge of botany and this fern tells me it had to be dryer longer in order for those plants to be live and healthy. They like moist soil but would rot if under water for a long period and would have to start growing from scratch. But, maybe I can't see the fern close enough and it is a different species than I think. I'll look at the pictures again for the slope.

I chose the name AquarianEssence because my higher self forced me into it. It is the sign on my descendant, those I partner with in my life's work. I have Virgo Sun, Leo rising with Pluto not far off. In fact, Pluto is now at square the midpoint of my Saturn/Pluto, skeletons in the closet with hard, hard work. (DOB 9/4/54) I say I was forced into it because I heard that name but was afraid of being unfairly judged by my friends and certain family members that are rather conservative. One of my oldest friends is probably praying for my salvation from hell right about now, for doing this kind of work. Anyway, as I was designing my logo, etc, on the computer, with the compromise name AquintEssence (meaning the FifthEssence, coincidentally) my computer kept freezing and wouldn't allow it. So I listened and obeyed. So, watch out for the messages from the computer genie. :waitasec:

 

[passionflower]

Any info on any arrests in forcast?

 

[Tuba]

Usually, Mrs. Peel, a control freak will have Pluto in an angle. We don't have the benefit of knowing Cindy's wheel, having no birth time or even approximation. The square she has between her Mercury and her Pluto renders her mistrustful--nothing like her daughter who trusts no one--but suspicious of other people. And if someone is patently unlike her, she is afraid to explore any subject or ideas with that person. She might study the person but warily, in "knowing" glimpses and with distance. She would rather label someone than understand her or him.

Cindy doesn't take anyone at his word. She assumes that is merely a face presented for consumption. She suspects there is a gritty underside and this is just a front. She figures, if this is what I have to deal with, I'll USE the situation and the person with all the expedience of II. But also like a II, if she errs, sins or falls short, she flicks it off, so no, she is not afraid of being seen as wrong or nor does she worry about overall, long term credibility or reputation of that sort.

If there is a struggle in an exchange between her and another, she makes sure to win it with a Niagara of words. As long as she silences that person, she counts it a good encounter. What she says doesn't matter, she got out of it intact and there is always another day. She doesn't worry that she yelled, "It smells like there's a dead body in the damn car!" and then, with equal emphasis declares, "There was pizza for 19 days in the hot sun!" She doesn't offer her statements for the truth of the matter thereof, they are bludgeons.

All of the above is owing to her Mercury Pluto square. She also has Moon square Venus, like her daughter. Politesse and Consideration never heard from her. She and Casey and Lee are full on rude. And they make rude and arrogant assumptions about other people. They need to skim it down or life is going to become one huge mob of protesters.