Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported Missing 7/15/2008: # 6

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Thank you very much for the date. Our calendar here at WS is a more reliable source than the sites I visited to investigate. Those could not narrow it beyond six days. So she arrived at 10:39 a.m. at Jesse's with a bag of clothing. What I am thinking is that she felt this activity looked suspicious & didn't want it known, at least to her parents. I doubt that she told Jesse anything and I doubt that he observed anything suspicious or he would have included it in his statement. Of course, there is always the possibility he overlooked troublesome evidence. This occurred on July 1, after phoning him at 10:15.
 
I have snipped this from another post. This photo of an obviously very pregnant KC standing next to her mother is a perfect illustration of the severely debilitated mercury and neptune aspects in their charts. KC continually denied she was pregnant. And CA THE NURSE believed her and stated to other family and friends that KC was having "female problems with bloating, etc." (paraphrasing). As they say, one photograph is worth a thousand words. Case in point.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/sh...=347114&page=3

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It would be better practice to ask first and then post if ok. In this case it's fine with me :) Surely it's on topic on this thread?? ;)
 
No KC isn't pregnant...she's a virgin. She's just been eating a lot of watermelon lately and swallowed some seeds..that's all. :floorlaugh:
 
No KC isn't pregnant...she's a virgin. She's just been eating a lot of watermelon lately and swallowed some seeds..that's all. :floorlaugh:
Haha ha...These people actually expected other NORMAL people to "buy into" their fake lives and believe that this frumpy obviously pregnant 22 year old was bloated...

Hahaha.

Sad...,

But true.

MOO
 
Hi all! I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas-my brother is here visiting and I have not been able to log in for more than ten minutes at a time...I am all caught up on THIS thread and that is about IT! Happy New Year if I do not get a chance to say so before then (brother leaves the 1st!).
 
Hi all! I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas-my brother is here visiting and I have not been able to log in for more than ten minutes at a time...I am all caught up on THIS thread and that is about IT! Happy New Year if I do not get a chance to say so before then (brother leaves the 1st!).

Hi M-Cat! We've missed ya! So glad to hear you're enjoying your brother's visit! Have a great New Year! You mean there are other threads? He he he ((hugs))
 
I'm curious. Have you looked at Jesse Grund's involvement if any in this?

JG's *involvement* was simply that he loved KC and adored Caylee. The interaspects between the charts show this clearly.

That JG provided security and affection for Caylee is shown by the Biwheel with Caylee's timed natal as inner ring and JG's sunrise natal as outer ring.

See chart here:
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/CayleeJesseGrundBiwheel.gif

Notice Jesse's planets in Caylee's 4th House of Early Childhood. We see JUPITER, MERCURY, SUN, VENUS, MOON, URANUS & CERES. Jesse was Caylee's Protection Angel (JUPITER). She felt loved, cherished and comforted by Jesse (SUN, VENUS, MOON, CERES).

JG also loved KC. His Scorpio planets (JUPITER, MERCURY, SUN, VENUS) trine KC's MERCURY-SUN in Pisces. His MOON trines KC's VENUS by sign if not orb. (JG's MOON could be anywheres between 00 Sagittarius & 12 Sagittarius, trining KC's VENUS at 12 Aries.)

I see no evidence in JG's natal chart of violence against women or children. With MARS in Capricorn, he played by the rules. What he got for his trouble was deceit (KC had him thinking the baby was his until a paternity test proved otherwise) and betrayal. After the paternity test showed JG was not the father, he still wanted to marry KC and take care of Caylee. She turned him down because **YOU LOVE CAYLEE MORE THAN ME!**

After KC's first arrest in mid-July, she tried to implicate JG, and CA jumped on that possibility like a fly on you-know-what. Let's throw the boy under the bus, mom. OK, honey, sounds good to me....


Thanks,
Soulscape
 
:blowkiss:Just wanted to drop by and tell you all that I am so astounded at all your work on this case and the fact that you have been right on about so much. Every time I get a little down thinking that the prisoner is going to get away with murder and that little Caylee will not get the justice that she so deserves...I come here. Thank you for giving us all hope that truth and justice will prevail, no matter how much evil tries to sway it. It honestly helps me to sleep better at night. I am not gifted the way all of you are and honestly I have a little trouble at times trying to decipher what exactly you are saying. I appreciate that you put your words into "laymans" terms for the rest of us. God bless all of you and your work to expose the darkness of this case and for bringing light to the case so that all of us can see.:blowkiss:
 
Soulscape, I have to ask, where do you get the assignment of the 4th house to early childhood? Everything I've ever read puts the 3rd house with early childhood, the 4th with old age, the end of life, the grave, the blood relatives or immediate family (along with the 3rd) the home in general, and usually either the less prominent parent or the opposite sex parent. While Jupiter is often shown to be the guardian angel, especially if found in the 12th, and often accompanies one in death as a guide to the other side, I couldn't agree that that he, along with Mercury Sun and Venus all squaring little Caylee's Sun and personal self, the ascendant, is a protective or loving energy. This is a direct conflict with them being at cross purposes with each other. Now, I cried with him when I watched his interview. But I can't ignore these aspects. Yes, squares or oppositions can be worked through. But, I also can't ignore that his tightly bundled energy creates a crisis point opposite the midpoint of Mars/Pluto, 4Sag48, exactly where I believe the Moon was when Caylee went missing, a critical degree, and conjunct his Uranus, explosiveness. This is quite a powerful configuration that I wouldn't want to come up against, ever.

As for potential misuse of his exalted Mars, there is a very tight semisquare between Venus and Mars, 44*48', not comfortable at all, expecially with Mars dispositing, having control over Venus. Capricorn can be misused as any other exaltation can. Cap is having authorities over others, being in charge, like police officers. I have Mas in this same sign, sextile and in mutual reception with Saturn and have experienced male dominance and physical attack from a male. Node Uranus inconjunct, explosive potential within relationships. Oh, and I may have found that 4Cancer placement I was looking for, his progressed Node rather than the natal Sun, Moon perfecting an inconjunct on the 16th of June.

Now, he may have had nothing to do with this other than loving Caylee. In fact, other than taking to Casey on the 16th, I haven't read anything to lead me to believe he had contact with her during this time. But we can't correctly say he doesn't have the potential for violence against women. Much could be repressed anger, Mars conjunct mean Black Moon Lilith, but more importantly, True BML being at 20Cap14 the day he was born. This is one of the degrees that keeps showing up, notably Jupiter, (traditional significator of children, and modern ruler of grandchildren) when she was last seen by George. If the actual time of the very 1st 911 call was 8:08 pm on July 16, then 20 Cap was rising. Lilith, in myth was considered the taker of childrens' lives, along with being their protector for a short period after birth. She isn't a problem when her energy isn't repressed but is dangerous when she is. The Lunar apogee represents the place Moon, mother was, when she was the furthest away from her child. That can be a dangerous time for a helpless child.
 
Thank you, disappear. We are all bent on justice for Caylee, too. Although, that concept falls short considering the monstrosity of this case and how this precious angel spent her last months on earth. What I mean is that justice does nothing to repair what happened to her.
 
Soulscape, I have to ask, where do you get the assignment of the 4th house to early childhood?

Hmmm, I have always associated the 4th house with children in general, particularly the first. According to Rex Bills, The Rulership Book, page 374, you will find a long list of associations for the 4th house.

This is an excellent reference book, AquarianEssence. I highly recommend it for everyone's library.

I am a bit troubled by us astrologers attempting to define the personal character, attitudes, motives, behaviors, etc. to the people involved in this case.

In fact, I am more than a bit troubled. I think it is a mistake for us to do this. There is a fine line between observing the energies active at a point in time, and defamation of character.

Caution might be wise.
 
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/CampanusArrestJuly16032.jpg

This is a different look at the chart for the first arrest on July 16, using Campanus cusps. With this house system, the Moon squares H. 5, the part of death is located at the Pleiades star cluster and the icy planet Exitus and Vindemiatrix is at the cusp of H. 11, fatality of one close to the person taken into custody. Moon, as before, inconjuncts Venus and was last over Pluto ruling the H. of sorrows and self-undoing. Mercury rules the day and is important but part of the discussion of the Tropical chart (see calendar). Saturn rules the hour, cruelly knotted up with Mars.

The ASC is at solstice with the present times: Jupiter now, along with Mercury and then the Sun on January 17. This means the case is turning, once again. When the original charges were totally altered at the indictment, we witnessed a major turning point also.
 
Hello, Housemouse. Yes, I am aware of Rex Bills book. You might like to share what he has to say with everyone though. I also agree with you that to assess natal energies without knowing what kind of growth the person has experienced is not responsible practice, which is why I use words like potential or possible, whether with JG, Casey or anyone else. You are the first person I've read, giving the 4th to children. The 5th is the most commonly used, with the 7th being the 2nd, and the sibling of the 1st. It fits the charts I've read quite well. Mine, for example has Jupiter ruling, being exalted in fertile Cancer bringing 7 sons, trine my Moon. There are nearly 7 degrees between them too, coincidence perhaps.


Have a great day
Connie
 
Hmmm, I have always associated the 4th house with children in general, particularly the first. According to Rex Bills, The Rulership Book, page 374, you will find a long list of associations for the 4th house.

This is an excellent reference book, AquarianEssence. I highly recommend it for everyone's library.

I use Bills book often but often I disagree with his assignments. I don't take it as "the Bible" or the last word on rulerships. I also use Micheal Munkasey's "Astrological Thesauras of House Keywords, Book 1" (it gives rulerships of houses and from that it is easy to connect to ruling planets). His book is out of print and hard to come by (I waited for years before Amazon found a used copy). Munkasey also often disagrees with Bills rulership assignments. I usually look at both and use my own experiences along with their references before deciding on a rulership in hard to assign matters such as DNA.

In the case of DNA...to simply say Bills says Uranus is the ruler and that must be that doesn't work for me. It might well be so that Uranus is the ruler of DNA but I can also see a valid reason for considering Pluto to rule or co-rule DNA because Pluto has much to do with inheritance, regeneration, reproduction and Pluto also rules crimes for which DNA is consistently used in solving such as rape and murder...not to mention paternity testing (investigating...getting to the root or end of the matter on who daddy really is).

Munkasey does not have a listing for DNA probably because DNA was not still not widely used in 1992 when Llewellyn Worldwide published his book. So while I see a valid reason to consider Uranus as the ruler of DNA from the perspective that DNA testing involves new and innovative technology, I think DNA is also ruled by Pluto and I would look at it as having significance in the investigative matters relative to Caylee's death. JMO.
 
I am a bit troubled by us astrologers attempting to define the personal character, attitudes, motives, behaviors, etc. to the people involved in this case.

In fact, I am more than a bit troubled. I think it is a mistake for us to do this. There is a fine line between observing the energies active at a point in time, and defamation of character.

Caution might be wise.

I'm troubled by astrologers having no problem assigning "good traits" or "good characteristics" to the people involved even though we have no more way of knowing if these "good" traits, motives, behavior are real, valid or true anymore than we know if the negative ones are so.

I have a real problem with modern astrologers who only want to see the "good" or "rosy" or "nice" things in charts, aspects, personalities. People also have faults, weak points, poor characteristics, and bad behavior.

If astrologers don't want to judge or assign or even speak about the negative side of personalities it is only fair that they also not speak of what they see as "glowing" or "noble" or "good" traits and motives.

But I don't see that opposite objection being raised here. We are supposed to build up the good things in charts and ignore the bad and nasty. If we continue on this path of thinking, in the end we will have a one-sided and "untrue" picture of the entire situation.

BTW, there is also no objection to portraying Casey as the Queen of Darkness and Evil and ditto for her attorneys. The objections are only raised when someone mentions that GA, CA, or even LA or Jesse G. might not be perfect and tap dancing on water 24/7. This is a bias that is unfair not only to Casey but to astrology and reality.

As always, JMO.
 
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