Forensic Astrology - KYRON HORMAN disappears 6/4/10 Portland, OR #1

[Tuba]

Good! Personally, I like Mars opposite SWNTBN's Sun.

 

[Tuba]

Late last night, it seems there was excitement over a news release of a Kyron sighting. Understandably. Post #159 in the General Thread has to do with the importance of a precise time when casting event charts. Horary charts, however, are another barrel of shoes. First, determine if you have standing to ask the question and be sure to write out the question. It's good to use it for your title on the post. Time should not be a problem with a horary, however. Just note the time on a reliable timepiece as to the moment you understood the question or that the Websleuth asked the question. Don't worry about the time of, for instance, the sighting or when the sighting was reported or when the media announced it. You are now engaged in a horary adventure, not an event chart. Event charts are very demanding and must meet several qualifications, precise time being only one of them. As you know, the pizza delivery man knocking on Elizabeth Johnson's door is not an event. Even if you have it clocked to the second.

 

[x_files]

Thats an understatement if I have ever heard one. Have you ran her chart against Kyron's yet? Its very telling if you ask me there are many powerful squares which led me to suspect her from the start, especially the Saturn square Pluto, Saturn square Neptune, Jupitar squares Saturn....and her Mars squaring his Neptune is very telling to me, as she didn't have to much pateince for him. Dis I already mention the sun square Saturn?
These are just a few, but I feel the influence of Saturn squaring practically everything is a major reason for concern.

I haven't not yet. I am very new to this. But, just from her natal chart I picked up all this Mars/Aries energy. I am used to running charts for artists so hers really stood out to me.
If I didn't know better I thought I was looking at a pro athlete male's chart.

I want to dig further to compare her charts to others who are sociopaths, and psychopaths or anti-social: NPD disorders to se if there's any indictions.

 

[x_files]

Thats an understatement if I have ever heard one. Have you ran her chart against Kyron's yet? Its very telling if you ask me there are many powerful squares which led me to suspect her from the start, especially the Saturn square Pluto, Saturn square Neptune, Jupitar squares Saturn....and her Mars squaring his Neptune is very telling to me, as she didn't have to much pateince for him. Dis I already mention the sun square Saturn?
These are just a few, but I feel the influence of Saturn squaring practically everything is a major reason for concern.

I might add it's not in the children's best interest that she was a teacher, or step-mother. I wonder how she is with her own children?
yes, it is an understatement. I couldn't find anything nice to say about her chart except she has a strong, personality and would have excelled in professional body building.

 

[x_files]

The thanks button just wasn't enough! That is very pertinent information, IMO, as well as interesting.

Sad, all the way around I guess. All of the Horman's are in my thoughts and prayers over this tragedy- even TMH. All of the talk about PPD out in the main forum just breaks my heart- why can't we help these women.

No offense to anyone intended, but if this was a 'mans' issue we'd be all over it in the medical and insurance fields, as well as in research. It is prevalent, pervasive and very real and the nicest, kindest women in the world can be taken down by it, along with their innocent offspring and loved ones.

MOO

I still am unsure if she was suffering from PPD or that was Kaine's opinion.
I am looking at sociopath/psychopath and Anti-Social NPD also. Maybe, a deadly combo of PPD and an underlying disorder?
Either way it's not good. PPD is a pretty serious issue in itself.
Obviously, this is just my opinion and speculation.

 

[Wendy101]

So, all charts are showing Kyron has been murdered?

 

[Leomoon80]

So, all charts are showing Kyron has been murdered?

You raise a very interesting question. I'm already on record saying I don't think Kyron is being held somewhere. But then again, I also said, that my Astrological readings, (esp. the last one, the Horary) may be skewed by my logic incorporated into it.
As being held for a month or longer, makes no sense to me because there was no ransom letter or motive that I can see.

Hence,the symbols then in the charts may (against all my best wishes), begin to take on a more sinister look, that we all need to guard against, subjectivity this way.

Now, back to the larger looming question of the day here,
I'm busy looking now at the charts of those who actually lived to tell the tale of their kidnappings.

Jaycee Dugard (I already posted here once on her "lucky" breaks in the natal and how it came to be via the progresssions as I recall .

Then there is Elizabeth Smart, and I'm working on her charts too., and if I find anything of a commonality to perhaps give us some clues, I'll let you know.
Then there is Steven Stayner of the "My Name is Steven" fame (book & movie) as Steven also had a brother Cary Stayner who became the Yosemite Murderer we might recall.

The other little girl not long ago who was lost in the swamps of Florida, and miraculously survived could be another case study.

So, I'm not ignoring your question, but you give all of us much room to pause for contemplation, by presenting the question.

By and large however, I do see it (the answer) as a judgement call subject to variation because from my vantage point, philosophically speaking,(which is also part of my astrological view) I do not view Fate and Destiny in the same way.

One may be fated to take a particular path in life, but destiny can be altered by random choice or occurrences as event or circumstance driven (imo) the vicissitudes of life.

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/featu...aryResults.aspx?lextype=3&search=vicissitudes

 

[FifthEssence]

So, all charts are showing Kyron has been murdered?

Sadly, all charts, Last Seen 8:45am, 9am, 3:56 Reported missing seem to point to Kyron's demise including another confirmation from the Event chart for the LE announcement that the case had turned to a 'criminal' investigation.

I hope we're wrong as we'd all like this little guy to come home to his Bio-family who truly love him.

ETA: there is a such thing as what some call a MIRACLE, Divine Intervention; we PRAY for this.

 

[Paulette]

The Arabic Part for miracles in the Police Called chart is 9 Taurus.

The formula is: Asc + Pluto - Sun.

I don't see anything near that degree in Taurus - the Moon will make a visit before any thing else.

Then again, if a James King or a Mr. Krok happens to pass that degree...

 

[grayjay]

For those who thought he would be found to the northwest of the school, there is now news on the main pages, [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109094"]Tipster saw TH truck 6/4 AM near SI[/ame]


This NW Logie Trail Road starts off down the mountain from the northwest direction from Skyline School.

maps.google.com

 

[x_files]

Sadly, all charts, Last Seen 8:45am, 9am, 3:56 Reported missing seem to point to Kyron's demise including another confirmation from the Event chart for the LE announcement that the case had turned to a 'criminal' investigation.

I hope we're wrong as we'd all like this little guy to come home to his Bio-family who truly love him.

ETA: there is a such thing as what some call a MIRACLE, Divine Intervention; we PRAY for this.

Anything that could be possibly read as Kyron is being hidden by a bio-parent as a custodial kidnapping?
It's another thought that keeps crossing my mind.

 

[Frigga]

Tipster saw TH truck 6/4 AM near SI
Originally Posted by nurseratchett on another thread, sugessted I start a new thread:

Just saw on KOIN news that a tipster by the name of "Chas" saying he saw truck with TH coming from Logie Trail Rd. off Hwy 30 on 6/4/10.....

He said about 9:45 AM, he thought it was his friends truck, then as he pulled up he saw a red haired woman he is now certain was TH. He has called the tip in twice he says, starting about 10 days ago, but has not been contacted by police yet.
No link yet on KOIN. It was on their 11 broadcast, lead story IIRC.

ADDED: the road he mentions can be seen here:
A-, link to school is ~ 6 miles

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ta...and hwy 30

ETA: Bringing this over from dreams/visions thread, care of CN2Souls. Make sure and look at all 12 photos for the home listed (there are horse stables!): Want to really freak....

http://www.estately.com/listings/inf...logie-trail-rd

that is supposedly where TH was on that road.

 

[sherbetjello]

Tipster saw TH truck 6/4 AM near SI
Originally Posted by nurseratchett on another thread, sugessted I start a new thread:

Just saw on KOIN news that a tipster by the name of "Chas" saying he saw truck with TH coming from Logie Trail Rd. off Hwy 30 on 6/4/10.....

He said about 9:45 AM, he thought it was his friends truck, then as he pulled up he saw a red haired woman he is now certain was TH. He has called the tip in twice he says, starting about 10 days ago, but has not been contacted by police yet.
No link yet on KOIN. It was on their 11 broadcast, lead story IIRC.

ADDED: the road he mentions can be seen here:
A-, link to school is ~ 6 miles

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ta...and hwy 30

ETA: Bringing this over from dreams/visions thread, care of CN2Souls. Make sure and look at all 12 photos for the home listed (there are horse stables!): Want to really freak....

http://www.estately.com/listings/inf...logie-trail-rd

that is supposedly where TH was on that road.

broken links in this post.
also, he used the terms "he BELIEVES it do be TH", never certain.

 

[Curious Me]

Is the location the tipster is saying matching the astro's location estimation? I'm going to try to find the charts that mention location.

 

[Leomoon80]

Frigga:

ETA: Bringing this over from dreams/visions thread, care of CN2Souls. Make sure and look at all 12 photos for the home listed (there are horse stables!): Want to really freak....

http://www.estately.com/listings/inf...logie-trail-rd

Cannot access the link or the photos....

 

[Ladybulldog]

Frigga:


Cannot access the link or the photos....

http://www.estately.com/listings/info/18445-nw-logie-trail-rd#listings/info/18445-nw-logie-trail-rd

 

[Tuba]

Good! Personally, I like Mars opposite SWNTBN's Sun.

For those who don't keep track of figures of interest in our cases in terms of their birth planets, Mars will make this opposition with the Moon on Thursday, July 15. If I had the cuffs, that's when I'd lock 'em.

That isn't very clear. What is happening Thursday is that Mars with the Moon form opposition to SWMNBN's natal Sun.

 

[Austin Mommy]

Kaine has asked the court to hold TH in contempt for allegedly showing the sealed court documents to an old high school classmate of his. It also states that she tried to "abduct" Kiara porior to being served with the restraining order. She is also having a sexual relationship with the old friend of Kaines.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf

 

[Curious Me]

Tried a multi-quote but I must need practice.

Noting the 8th house in one 9AM and the 9th house in the other wherein,
Jupiter moves in residence with Uranus at 9:15AM:

I refer back to the lord of the 7th being Saturn (co-ruler) and Saturn posited in the 2nd house and opposing Uranus, Quincunx to Neptune and square to Pluto, telling me the child didn't live long after he was kidnapped.

I wonder however, if the intercepted signs in the 9th (9:15AM) point to
his being handed over to another?

Jupiter (late degrees Pisces) the 1st person, Uranus 0 degrees (a new crisis
and change) in Aries the 2nd person?

At 9AM Jupiter WAS in the 8th house in the latter degree conj. Scheat.

Could be in water.

BBM Bumping this - Could be in water.

I don't know the answer to that question Butterflye as it just occurred to me as I was looking closely and trying to ascertain the Derivative houses of the charts, that Jupiter and Uranus (which always bugged me in the respective signs), seems now to suggest a potential symbol of 2. And the 15 minutes difference, seems to open up that potential symbolically, but I may be on the wrong track too!

It "seems" plausible however. Often these symbols are very subtle and we can miss them. The fixed Star Scheat is connected
to water and possible drownings.

http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Scheat.html

the 24th sieu (Chinese Moon Mansion) was these same stars known as Ying She, or Shih, a House, anciently Sal and Shat; but it also comprised parts of Aquarius and Capricorn.

They also were the Persian Vaht, the Sogdian Iranian and Khorasmian (east of Persia) Farshat Bath, and the Coptic people of Egypt Artulos, all signifying something pertaining to Water; while in astrology beta (β Scheat) indicated danger to mankind from that element.

With Jupiter: Many voyages, losses through law, friends and relatives, danger of imprisonment. [Robson*, p.207.]

With Uranus: Deceitful, vacillating, little concentration, psychic, unreliable, involved in difficulties due to own acts, many accidents, death through drowning or by water especially if in 1st, 6th, 8th or 10th houses. [Robson*, p.207.]

Water again.

Well...Kyron has "Riverside" at 9 Aquarius, which has progressed backwards, along with his Neptune to 8:29 Aquarius. Strange that they both should be at the exact same degree and minute.

He has "Fisher" natally 29:50 Capricorn, which was transiting 29:45 Taurus in the Last Seen chart. I've wondered for a month if he was promised a fishing trip as a lure.

An unnamed person has "Boattini" 12:21 Gemimi natally, and it's transiting 12:34 Gemini in the Last Seen chart, which is Kyron's NN 12:47 Gemini.

"Riverside" is 21:43 Gemini in the last seen chart, conjuncting an unnamed persons natal Moon, 20 Gemini. For all we know it may be exact.

I used the 0 Leo last seen chart. Unfortunately there isn't a "houseboat" or "dock side" or "Sauvie" asteroid. If he were my child I'd be at the riverside looking in or around boats.

This also suggests location, near water.

But I can't find more exact locations mentioned. Anyone have those charts handy? Just wondering if the tipster saw TMH close to where the astros said the charts suggested.

Kyron needs to be found.

 

[butterfly1978]

So, all charts are showing Kyron has been murdered?

I know Fifth has already answered this question but I would like to add to what she has said, the charts do point to Kyron's passing, but astrology should not be veiwed as what we call "the gospel". Astrology should be veiwed as a forecast of conditions, the same as weather. The weather forecast may call for rain, the conditions may be right for there to be rain but that doesn't always mean that it will, just that the possability, and conditions are right for it, when viewing natal charts and such it shows you the possabilities based on the aspects of the charts, the planets, the houses and so forth, however what it can not account for is free will. So take for instants TH chart shows the desire to harm Kyron, however it doesn't account for free will, just because the desire is there does not mean she acted upon it, however as humans we have to apply logic as well considering the current circumstances with Kyron missing and no one has seen a trace of him in more than a month than that raises the probabilty that she did act upon that which is seen in the charts.
Sorry for the long post and I hope I haven't gone to off topic, I just felt this needed to be said.