FOUND - Argentine submarine goes missing with 44 crew members on board, November 2017

[JerseyGirl]

Argentina’s Navy Chief Fired After ARA San Juan's Disappearance

Admiral Marcelo Srur was the highest official to be removed from his position but the fifth senior officer to be terminated as a result of the ARA San Juan’s disappearance.

http://www.ibtimes.com/missing-arge...red-after-ara-san-juans-disappearance-2629833

 

[JerseyGirl]

Argentina Appoints Special Commission to Find Missing Sub

In an update...

The Russian Navy has lent its support to the search for the missing vessel after an analysis of meteorological conditions opened up new possibilities for locating any wreckage.

Using an unmanned submersible dubbed Pantera Plus, Russian specialists are able probe the dark waters off the Argentine coast to depths of more than 1,000 meters beneath the waves.

"So far, the Pantera Plus remote-controlled unmanned submersible was submerged in total 15 times at depths between 135 and 1,050 meters," it was said.

No signals from the stricken submarine have been detected since the German-built vessel vanished in the waters of the Atlantic Ocean November 15, near Patagonia, shortly after reporting an electrical failure.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/n...ission-to-Find-Missing-Sub-20171220-0016.html

 

[JerseyGirl]

In other sub news....

Australia resolved the oldest mystery in its naval history on Thursday after discovering its first submarine, the HMAS AE1, which disappeared over a century ago. The HMAS AE1 disappeared on September 14, 1914, with 35 people on board, for some unknown reasons while sailing between the islands of New Britain and New Ireland, in northeastern Papua New Guinea.

The Fugro Equator, one of the survey ships that participated in the search for a Malaysia Airline aircraft which disappeared in 2014 in the Indian Ocean, discovered the missing submarine on the 13th expedition to find it.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/intern...iscovered-after-103-years/article22121735.ece

 

[watcher9]

Sonar search has detected a new contact which will be investigated by a remote sub.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/1...ng-argentine-submarine-in-south-atlantic.html

 

[JerseyGirl]

The cause of ARA San Juan's disappearance will be investigated by a commission created by the congress in Argentina.

The commission will investigate the causes and circumstances of the vessel's disappearance as well as the ongoing search and rescue operation. The commission will be made up of six members of the Chamber of Deputies and six senators from both opposition and government parties.

http://www.ibtimes.com/missing-arge...ssion-investigate-cause-disappearance-2641843

 

[PrairieWind]

I am a little surprised that we have not heard anything more on this. It seems there should have been a pretty good idea of where it went down. But I am wondering if those that are best able to locate the sub (US Navy, and the Russians) are not wanting to divulged their capabilities in locating submarines. I was a little concerned after the Russians announced that they were joining the search if their primary motivation wasn't in fact to observe US anti-submarine assets in action. I assume it will be found eventually. I just hope its sooner rather than later for the sake of the sailors' families.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Argentina police raid naval base in missing submarine case

Federal police officers have raided naval bases and other buildings in Argentina as part of an investigation into the disappearance of a submarine with 44 crewmembers.

Friday's raids were ordered by Federal Judge Marta Yanez.

She said she wants to review documents focused on the condition of the vessel before it began its journey. She also says that she wants to look into possible faults in the midlife refit of the submarine.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/0...aid-naval-base-in-missing-submarine-case.html

 

[JerseyGirl]

Argentine icebreaker pays tribute to missing submarine crew

http://www.euronews.com/2018/01/30/argentine-icebreaker-pays-tribute-to-missing-submarine-crew

 

[JerseyGirl]

A British sub had been detected by the Argentine crew near the Falklands on July 9 and the San Juan had been ordered to reduce its own noise and to monitor it, according a secret report seen by Argentine media.

Sonar experts determined the submarine was a British nuclear ship and three recordings of its presence were sent on to the Argentine army.

The ARA San Juan had been travelling in an area of interest shared by Argentina and the UK and Argentina should have notified the UK before a mission of this kind. However, the Argentine submarine was allegedly ordered by the army not to follow this rule.

Two days before the incident with the British submarine, the ARA San Juan was reportedly in a near-miss incident with a Chinese fishing boat, the Lu Rong Yuan Yu 883, which was on fire.

Another secret report, from November 2016, revealed that the San Juan had problems with its waterproof sealing.

The submarine also had other problems, including losing of 50 litres of oil each day, which affected its hydraulic system.

Before its disappearance, the ARA San Juan only had 14 of the 100 canisters of oxygen it was supposed to carry for emergencies.

Britain and Argentina went to war over the Falklands in 1982, after Argentina invaded and occupied the islands. The conflict lasted 74 days and ended with the Argentine surrender on June 14, 1982, returning the islands to British control.

CREW: The picture highlights the last known whereabouts of the 44 missing submarine crew

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/la...arine-monitor-British-nuke-sub-near-Falklands

 

[PrairieWind]

That is an interesting report. The leaking hydraulic fluid could get serious. If it was bad enough it could cause a loss of control of the diving planes needed to help return to the surface. I am a bit skeptical about the report regarding the British sub. British subs are pretty state of the art and quiet with top notch sonar. The British would have likely detected the San Juan long before the San Juan would detect them. Previously there had been a report from the family of one of the crew that they had received a message from their son that said they had been trying to avoid a British helicopter. However, IF (and thats a big if) that report is true, the San Juan would have had to have been much closer to the Falklands than it was supposed to be. So either these are just false reports, or the San Juan was up to something it shouldn't have been. I really hope thats not true.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Argentine President announced a multimillion-dollar reward as part of a renewed effort to find the vessel. Defense Minister later said the reward could be around $4 million, but the exact figure will be known in the next couple of days.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/0...entina-offers-multimillion-dollar-reward.html

 

[PrairieWind]

I haven't heard anything for a long time on this search. Does anyone know how much of a search is actually going on anymore?

 

[PrairieWind]

I guess I answered my own question. Relatives are trying to crowd-fund for more search operations. That doesn't sound too promising. Sadly, the submarine and its crew may not be found simply because Argentina can't afford to look for them.

http://www.pulse.ng/news/world/vanished-argentine-sub-launch-campaign-to-fund-search-id8035334.html

 

[LadyL]

[bbm]

that gives me horrible visions of 44 people scrambling over 14 air canisters
omg those poor souls

A British sub had been detected by the Argentine crew near the Falklands on July 9 and the San Juan had been ordered to reduce its own noise and to monitor it, according a secret report seen by Argentine media.

Sonar experts determined the submarine was a British nuclear ship and three recordings of its presence were sent on to the Argentine army.

The ARA San Juan had been travelling in an area of interest shared by Argentina and the UK and Argentina should have notified the UK before a mission of this kind. However, the Argentine submarine was allegedly ordered by the army not to follow this rule.

Two days before the incident with the British submarine, the ARA San Juan was reportedly in a near-miss incident with a Chinese fishing boat, the Lu Rong Yuan Yu 883, which was on fire.

Another secret report, from November 2016, revealed that the San Juan had problems with its waterproof sealing.

The submarine also had other problems, including losing of 50 litres of oil each day, which affected its hydraulic system.

Before its disappearance, the ARA San Juan only had 14 of the 100 canisters of oxygen it was supposed to carry for emergencies.

Britain and Argentina went to war over the Falklands in 1982, after Argentina invaded and occupied the islands. The conflict lasted 74 days and ended with the Argentine surrender on June 14, 1982, returning the islands to British control.

CREW: The picture highlights the last known whereabouts of the 44 missing submarine crew

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/la...arine-monitor-British-nuke-sub-near-Falklands

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

can't afford to look but can afford to reward someone with $4M if someone else finds it?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

So either these are just false reports, or the San Juan was up to something it shouldn't have been. I really hope thats not true.

Or, given what has been said about failings in seamanship, it was simply lost or at least not where it thought it was.

 

[PrairieWind]

can't afford to look but can afford to reward someone with $4M if someone else finds it?

I don't think Argentina has the capabilities to look for it on their own. And I don't think $4million is really enough incentive for anyone else to look either.

As for the condition of the submarine, the leaks, leaking oil, lack of oxygen canisters.....I think we can all agree that that submarine should never never been allowed to put to sea in that condition.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Missing Argentinian submarine: Families demand answers

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...-families-demand-answers-180316142602246.html

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I don't think Argentina has the capabilities to look for it on their own. And I don't think $4million is really enough incentive for anyone else to look either.

But if half a dozen search operations each spend $2m on searching an area before deciding not to spend any more, one of them might manage to find it.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Russia ends search of missing Argentina submarine

The Argentine ship Islas Malvinas will carry on with the search.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/04/russia-ends-search-missing-argentina-submarine.html