France - Five shot, four dead in French Alps, may have int'l ramifications #1

[ConfusedPopsicle]

Panic stricken doesn't sound like a professional hit or paid assassin or anything like that to me. It still seems like something that got out of control, That is if the white car had anything to do with the crime. It would be one heckuva coincidence if not! Then again, the BMW makes it look like a planned ambush that they saw . Ah I'm rambling. This case has hit me very hard, I hardly slept last night I couldn't stop thinking about it. About the brother. I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being something to do with a fight about an inheritance, especially if it was a substantial sum of money. Greed can turn people into horrible monsters. There was a case in Wa state years ago where an entire family was murdered, including a 2 or 3 yr old over a tiny amount of money or a house or something. It was horrible, the sister and her boyfriend did it I believe. I'll see if I can find a link or two.

 

[~n/t~]

The panic may have been because the 7 year old was hit and that was not supposed to happen, imo.

The "hit" was suppose to be on the adults. Not the children.

That is my theory as to the panic. I've watched true mob cases on television and if a person not on the hit list is murdered or injured, panic ensues. I would assume the same would apply with hitmen.

 

[ConfusedPopsicle]

I definitely see your point ~n/t~, but why would they carry out a hit on the adults when they were on vacation? They had to know the girls would be there and that the girls getting hurt or shot is a possibility. Maybe they didn't expect the kids to be there for some reason?


Here is a link to an article about that story I was talking about above. Awful awful situation. Over basically nothing from the sounds of it. Like I said, greed can turn people into horrible monsters.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/2242070...ils-emerge-wash-family-massacre/#.UEn6iZZrW9s

 

[ScotsPaddy]

A paid assasin could just be some wee junkie youve paid to murder someone,they dont have to be professional..
Panick stricken isnt a pro but could well be someone paid anyway to 'wipe them out',like in the link i posted previously,the hitmen in that case were just 2 poles paid bu 1 brother to kill the other brother..
Id like some info on the deceaseds brother etc and what his job is...

 

[SuziQ]

I think it's worth noting that he's Iraqi and not from Iran. I haven't seen anything to suggest that it would have anything to do with Iran.

And I hope the article I posted about the Iranian scientists didn't cause any confusion. I was merely using it as an example of how many scientists and other certain professionals, with useful skills, are getting caught up in a mess in the same part of that world.

 

[sherlockh]

The guy in the white car could have been a witness who has not come forward yet (maybe he doesn't want to). Hopefully, he will now since they are looking all over for him. I just can't imagine how one person can shoot 3 persons in the middle of the head. At least three shooters that seems to make more sense to me. Also the reports about the number of shots fired are confusing. First it was 60 then 15. Now they say the adults in the car were each shot twice, and the cyclist 5 times. They also wrote that there were no missed shots. That doesn't add up. I have not heard of any witnesses hearing any gun shots. Silencers?

 

[~n/t~]

Was this article already posted?

Police to quiz Surrey-based brother over 'inheritance row about wealthy father's properties in Iraq, France and Switzerland' after cold-blooded execution of businessman and family on Alps holiday

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eoId=&hasBCVideo=true&BCVideoID=1826984471001


Good photos at the link

 

[jjenny]

The guy in the white car could have been a witness who has not come forward yet (maybe he doesn't want to). Hopefully, he will now since they are looking all over for him. I just can't imagine how one person can shoot 3 persons in the middle of the head. At least three shooters that seems to make more sense to me. Also the reports about the number of shots fired are confusing. First it was 60 then 15. Now they say the adults in the car were each shot twice, and the cyclist 5 times. They also wrote that there were no missed shots. That doesn't add up. I have not heard of any witnesses hearing any gun shots. Silencers?

Victims sitting in the car, they have nowhere to run. Doesn't take long to shoot them. Analysis of the bullets will tell-if they all came from one gun, that would suggest one shooter.

 

[jjenny]

A paid assasin could just be some wee junkie youve paid to murder someone,they dont have to be professional..
Panick stricken isnt a pro but could well be someone paid anyway to 'wipe them out',like in the link i posted previously,the hitmen in that case were just 2 poles paid bu 1 brother to kill the other brother..
Id like some info on the deceaseds brother etc and what his job is...

Junkie is not going to make a good assassin.
Even police miss when they shoot-what would someone expect from a junkie? If there really are no missed shots-I don't think this could have been a junkie.

 

[~n/t~]

I definitely see your point ~n/t~, but why would they carry out a hit on the adults when they were on vacation? They had to know the girls would be there and that the girls getting hurt or shot is a possibility. Maybe they didn't expect the kids to be there for some reason?


Here is a link to an article about that story I was talking about above. Awful awful situation. Over basically nothing from the sounds of it. Like I said, greed can turn people into horrible monsters.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/2242070...ils-emerge-wash-family-massacre/#.UEn6iZZrW9s

I have 2 theories:

If the brother is involved and is from the UK, it gives him an alibi. The "I was nowhere in the area on the day of the murders" story. If the hits were carried out in their hometown, he would definitely be on the POI list considering the latest developments. Perhaps he thought if it was carried out in another country, they wouldn't look at him as a possible suspect and the investigation would take a much longer time to investigate with the possible "robbery" scenario or other.

My other theory is they apparently owned property in France (the victims). If we believe the Daily Mail story that they were being watched and spied on by some Secret Special Branch in the UK, perhaps that Branch was not involved in the same activities when the family was in other countries. We would have to know more about this whole spying thing. Were they UK based and their only concern was the families activities in the UK? Hard to say based on limited information.

So to answer your question, whoever decided to put a hit on the adults knew the children would be there but they were ordered to spare the lives of the children.

This was personal. IMO

 

[sherlockh]

Ok, so gunshots were heard. No silencers then. One shooter would mean he walked around the car since the windows had all bullet holes in them during which the adults would just sit still in the car waiting to be shot in the head? I don't know but I hope I would try to get away in such a situation. Maybe that is what the girl did though.

That daily mail article said the cyclist saw a car and a motorbike. That is interesting.

 

[jjenny]

The older child is in a medically induced coma getting another surgery.
So I don't believe for a second anyone ordered to "spare the lives of the children."
The younger child was hidden so well police didn't notice her for 8 hours.
I don't think whoever killed the parents saw her either.

 

[jjenny]

Ok, so gunshots were heard. No silencers then. One shooter would mean he walked around the car since the windows had all bullet holes in them during which the adults would just sit still in the car waiting to be shot in the head? I don't know but I hope I would try to get away in such a situation. Maybe that is what the girl did though.

That dail ymail article said the cyclist saw a car and a motorbike.

Recently police in New York shot one suspect-and wounded 9 bystanders. For all victims here to be shot in the head and not shots missed-whoever did that was a marksman.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Junkie is not going to make a good assassin.
Even police miss when they shoot-what would someone expect from a junkie? If there really are no missed shots-I don't think this could have been a junkie.

replace junkie with,postie,polish guy,neighbour,david dimbelby ya see what im saying,anyone can technically be a paid assasin..not everyone can be a professional assasin.
Im still on the fence as to what it was(pro or amatuer hit)but it was definately a direct deliberate hit on that family.

More to say but gotta go do the T now,kids are grumbling lol.

 

[laurauk1]

And I hope the article I posted about the Iranian scientists didn't cause any confusion. I was merely using it as an example of how many scientists and other certain professionals, with useful skills, are getting caught up in a mess in the same part of that world.

Not at all. It was an interesting piece. I think that as the two countries sous so similar and are I the same part of the world, people just get them confused.

 

[Swamp Fox Trot]

I think it's worth noting that he's Iraqi and not from Iran. I haven't seen anything to suggest that it would have anything to do with Iran.

You are aware that Iran is virtually at war with Israel and the west? Assassinating each other's scientists and what not? That it planned to whack a Saudi ambassador in the U.S. recently? That Iran financed and trained insurgents in Iraq?

 

[ttcRider]

Didnt one of the articles say that the car was riddled with bullets and casings were scattered all over? I didnt get the impression that each shot was a marked hit from reading the links. IMO I do think it was a targeted hit but not as professional of one we tend to see in the movies. :fence:

 

[ttcRider]

You are aware that Iran is virtually at war with Israel and the west? Assassinating each other's scientists and what not? That it planned to whack a Saudi ambassador in the U.S. recently? That Iran financed and trained insurgents in Iraq?

O/T but Canada just kicked all Iranian Diplomats out of the country today.

 

[Swamp Fox Trot]

It seems like something substantial like a truck blocked the road and made the BMW back up.

Then someone swooped in really fast and did the shooting; a motorcycle would allow a shooter to get close fast.

I wonder if they resorted to pistol-whipping because they ran out of ammunition. If the gunman was on a motorcycle maybe he only brought the one gun.

 

[laurauk1]

You are aware that Iran is virtually at war with Israel and the west? Assassinating each other's scientists and what not? That it planned to whack a Saudi ambassador in the U.S. recently? That Iran financed and trained insurgents in Iraq?

I'm well aware of the political and geographical situation of the Middle East, thank you, however I do not think that at present there is anything to suggest that a British citizen born in Iraq and shot dead in France had links to Iran. Nor do I think that what you have posted above has given me reason to think that he may have been executed by Iran.

As I'm sure we'll both agree, just because relations between Iran and the west right now are not great and because Iran have financed and trained insurgents in Iraq, there doesn't appear to be anything to suggest that he is linked to either of these things at present. In any case, I was simply pointing out that it is important not to get the two countries mixed up which I felt possibly was happening.