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Life is completely normal today -people are shopping in the sales, tourists are everywhere, business almost as usual. I am walking about a bit stunned really, not fully coming to terms with what has happened these last few days and yet obsessed with it and latching at opportunities to discuss it with people, either heartened that they feel the exact same way and more, and have things to share with me that shed light on things for me, or expand my thinking, or on the contrary disappointed that they don't want to talk about it or surprised they feel differently or they wonder why I'm so preoccupied with it.

In the end what can we do, this has happened and we have to be outraged, we can't stand for this but we can't let fear control our lives. People at Airbnb apartments I manage (one of my many freelance jobs) are asking me if it is still safe to visit and I can only tell them it is, I mean it has to be! How do we know anything? The metros and trains were bombed in 1995 and then nothing really major after for 20 years -how can we know? It could be any day, it could be next week or next year but we have to live! I'm scared but I at the same time I refuse to be scared, I'm confused really as many people are. I'm devastated for all the victims' families and for all those whose lives have changed forever as a result of this.

My only comfort has been discussion and support with friends on Facebook, sharing our shock and outrage, and most of all standing alone at Republique square, and for the first time in 20 years here, feeling very much part of this community, as if I was standing with family and friends among strangers who all feel as strongly about this as me, and more. A conservative looking well-dressed elderly couple standing beside me whispered and had a giggle that this gathering must have been organised by young socialists and yet they chanted along, were content and wanted to be there and at that moment we had no differences, no class difference, no political or religious difference. If you wanted to move forward or backward in the crowd the way just parted like magic, no one pushed or resisted and I didn't even need to say excuse me, everyone was so calm, so serene. It was so comforting to feel Parisian and part of a community. In the past I have struggled with things like cultural differences and sexual harassment and things but that was all gone, I felt so united with them and realised I was them. A very powerful and defining moment for me, an expat New Zealander.

My French mother is brave, she heard all the shots from the kosher store located a few minutes down her very road, the detonations, wondering how many people were dying each time - she got up this morning and went down there and laid flowers. I love my maman! She and I are going to march together tomorrow and I look forward to it, I think it will be healing for everyone.

This probably sounds all quite silly but I felt like sharing this with you guys!

TY for sharing this compelling post, Waddles. It triggerred recall of the emotions you describe feeling at this sad time to both 9 11 and the space shuttle Challenger. Be careful today,and if your "wired" for remote, mobile, transmitttable, anywhere, info (ha damn cell phones!) Pls keep us assurred all is well as you march.

I am being a jewish mother now, I expect a report "in" every 15 minutes or you will be in eternal time out. Translation for todays world - cell phone removal!

Bring plenty of Kleenex, as the unconrtollable need to weep , will keep coming in waves, and give yourself permission to let your tears fall - they are healthy tears of both joy, and of the immediate losses being felt worldwide, and of the losses from several days ago , that will forever change notions of predicatability and order once known and taken for granted for decades past.

Happy and safe marching!
 
Islamophobia Is a Myth
Why do liberals fear the working class and ignore anti-Semitic murder? Because they are bigots.

Brendan O'Neill in The National Review:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/396098/islamophobia-myth-brendan-oneill

The British press has never seemed as out of touch as it is today. All our broadsheet papers are packed with pleas to the people of France, and other European populations, not to turn into Muslim-killing nutjobs in response to the Charlie Hebdo massacre. The Guardian frets over “Islamophobes seizing this atrocity to advance their hatred.” The Financial Times is in a spin about “Islamophobic extremists” using the massacre to “[challenge] the tolerance on which Europe has built its peace.” One British hack says we should all “fear the coming Islamophobic backlash.” And what actually happened in France as these dead-tree pieces about a possible Islamophobic backlash made their appearance? Jews were assaulted. And killed. “Don’t attack Muslims,” lectures the press as Jews are attacked.

(...)

Islamophobia is a myth. Sure, some folks in Europe and elsewhere no doubt dislike Muslims, just as other losers hate the Irish or blacks or women. But the idea that there is a climate of Islamophobia, a culture of hot-headed, violent-minded hatred for Muslims that could be awoken and unleashed by the next terror attack, is an invention. Islamophobia is a code word for mainstream European elites’ fear of their own populations, of their native hordes, whom they imagine to be unenlightened, prejudiced, easily led by the tabloid media, and given to outbursts of spite and violence. The thing that keeps the Islamophobia panic alive is not actual violence against Muslims but the right-on politicos’ ill-founded yet deeply held view of ordinary Europeans, especially those of a working-class variety, as racist and stupid. This is the terrible irony of the Islamophobia panic: The fearers of anti-Muslim violence claim to be challenging prejudice but actually they reveal their own prejudices, their distrust of and disdain for those who come from the other side of the tracks, read different newspapers, hold different beliefs, live different lives. They accuse stupid white communities of viewing Muslims as an indistinguishable mob who threaten the fabric of European society, which is exactly what they think of stupid white communities.


BBM


France stands united as #JeSuisCharlie today and Marine Le Pen, FN, is not invited.
But anti-semitic stand-up comedian Dieudonné will be there!
 
My husband's best friend from childhood married a woman from Paris. He moved there last summer. My husband was speaking to them on the phone tonight, and Monique said something very moving. She said that until this week, she never really understood fully, the depths of 9/11. And now, as she feels the wrenching sadness of losing 17 citizens, she said it really gave her pause, and she cried when she imagined the despair of losing 2500 in one fell swoop. She actually apologized to us because she said she had not fully contemplated the depth of that atrocity until now. :cry:
 
When it comes to Hamas condemnation, even very pro-Hamas journalists admit it did condemn Charlie Hebdo attacks but it didnt mention Jewish market attack.


In fact after jewish market attack one hamas-linked publication praised Paris attackers as 'martyrs dispatched by G-d'

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/189749


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RECRUITER OF KOUACHI BROTHERS NOW WORKS IN HOSPITAL WERE VICTIMS WERE BROUGHT

The Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...nurse-at-hospital-which-received-victims.html


The Islamist "spiritual guide" who allegedly helped radicalise the Kouachi brothers behind the deadly attack on Charlie Hebdo now works as a trainee nurse in the accident and emergency unit of one of the Paris hospitals where some of the victims of the assault on the magazine were taken.

Farid Benyettou was off duty on Wednesday at the Pitié-Salpêtrière hospital when the wounded were brought there but was meant to back at work on Friday, before hospital authorities took him off the rota, according to Le Parisien newspaper.

Benyettou was a known recruiter of candidates for jihad for Iraq, operating in the 19th arrondissement of Paris in the early 2000s.
Jean-Julien Xavier-Rolai, the public prosecutor at the time, described him as the “spiritual guide” of the Kouachi brothers and “the link between the suburbs of Fallujah and the 19th arrondissement”.



BBM
 
RECRUITER OF KOUACHI BROTHERS NOW WORKS IN HOSPITAL WERE VICTIMS WERE BROUGHT

The Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...nurse-at-hospital-which-received-victims.html


The Islamist "spiritual guide" who allegedly helped radicalise the Kouachi brothers behind the deadly attack on Charlie Hebdo now works as a trainee nurse in the accident and emergency unit of one of the Paris hospitals where some of the victims of the assault on the magazine were taken.

Farid Benyettou was off duty on Wednesday at the Pitié-Salpêtrière hospital when the wounded were brought there but was meant to back at work on Friday, before hospital authorities took him off the rota, according to Le Parisien newspaper.

Benyettou was a known recruiter of candidates for jihad for Iraq, operating in the 19th arrondissement of Paris in the early 2000s.
Jean-Julien Xavier-Rolai, the public prosecutor at the time, described him as the “spiritual guide” of the Kouachi brothers and “the link between the suburbs of Fallujah and the 19th arrondissement”.



BBM

my goodness
 
JIHAD VIDEO OF COULIBALY APPEARS

The Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...dy-Coulibaly-pledging-allegiance-to-Isil.html


“If we did things a bit together and a bit separately it was to have more impact."

Apparently speaking about one of the Kouachi brothers behind the Charlie Hebdo attack, he said: "I helped him in his project by giving him a few thousand euros so he could finish off what he had bought. We manage to synchronise to go out at the same time so we don’t cause each other any problems as we are sought of over the same affair."

A text claims Coulibaly was behind the deaths of a policewoman and "five Jews", also claiming he had planted a bomb on a car in Paris.

Coulibaly appears in various guises - a keffir, a military jacket, a white robe. Speaking directly to camera, he swears allegiance to “Caliiph Ibrahim”, also known as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, self-proclaimed leader of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or Isil, with the Isil black flag in the background. He speaks in French and pigdin Arabic, reading from a text, often tripping up on words.

He said he "swore allegiance as soon as the Califate was declared".

Slickly edited, it begins with a French radio report recounting the denouement of the supermarket siege in which Coulibaly is gunned down by police – presumably to drive home the message he is a martyr.

Asked why he attacked Charlie Hebdo and the Jewish supermarket, Coulibaly – now posing with an automatic gun – claims his murderous acts are “entirely justified” and adds: “If you attack the Caliphate and the Islamic State, you will be attacked.”


BBM

The video has been taken off line on request of the French Prosecutor
 
When it comes to Hamas condemnation, even very pro-Hamas journalists admit it did condemn Charlie Hebdo attacks but it didnt mention Jewish market attack.


In fact after jewish market attack one hamas-linked publication praised Paris attackers as 'martyrs dispatched by G-d'

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/189749


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The whole notion of condemnation in this regard seems somewhat silly. BY that I mean the folks typically engaged in these beleif systems, and subsesquent behaviors are not really invested in what any leader in any context states about their beleifs and actions.

All the carrying on by leaders after stuff like this is politics, little else, and IMO primarily consumed by the folks that have nothing to do with any of it.

Its like believing a serial killer is going to be impacted by a FBI agent stating the killing in a serial fashion is wrong - prettty meaningless.

Politics - more about oil trade agreements, food distrubution , weapons etc
 
The connection has been made between the shooting of the jogger and the terrorist of the supermarket ......
 
Good question, we have gone from five, three , two terrorists in the Charlie attack, there was also declaration from witnesses having seen two men dressed in black enter the Charlie building, this conflicts with the images of the execution of the police officer..........

YOu know what was weird for me. It really was not till last night that it dawned on me that this WAS a terror cell. And it gave me the chills. The notion of "cell" for some reason is scarier - but this was indeed one. Once it hit me it was also surprising that during the horror, not one media outlet referred to it as such.

It feels safer to believe that they are individuals with an agenda, as oppossed to clusters of folks who are taking great pains to plan out these things. It feels more evil - and security folks all along knew it was actually a cell in action - they knew the interactive history of the 4 of em, my vote , is when they found the ID, they knew this is going to be a very bad sitrtion.

Which in hindsight, when I first 88000 folks invovled I thought awesome, in hindsight, it reveals they knew ( I think most of us thought so as well as it relates to female officer being murdered).

THey knew..................which means they know ..................that there is a truth, hard core data, that cells have awakened and are right now as I type, planning and taking action to do more carnage.

I think we have crossed the what if and maybes to where and when and how .......................nasty reality
 
JIHAD VIDEO OF COULIBALY APPEARS

The Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...dy-Coulibaly-pledging-allegiance-to-Isil.html


“If we did things a bit together and a bit separately it was to have more impact."

Apparently speaking about one of the Kouachi brothers behind the Charlie Hebdo attack, he said: "I helped him in his project by giving him a few thousand euros so he could finish off what he had bought. We manage to synchronise to go out at the same time so we don’t cause each other any problems as we are sought of over the same affair."

A text claims Coulibaly was behind the deaths of a policewoman and "five Jews", also claiming he had planted a bomb on a car in Paris.

Coulibaly appears in various guises - a keffir, a military jacket, a white robe. Speaking directly to camera, he swears allegiance to “Caliiph Ibrahim”, also known as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, self-proclaimed leader of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or Isil, with the Isil black flag in the background. He speaks in French and pigdin Arabic, reading from a text, often tripping up on words.

He said he "swore allegiance as soon as the Califate was declared".

Slickly edited, it begins with a French radio report recounting the denouement of the supermarket siege in which Coulibaly is gunned down by police – presumably to drive home the message he is a martyr.

Asked why he attacked Charlie Hebdo and the Jewish supermarket, Coulibaly – now posing with an automatic gun – claims his murderous acts are “entirely justified” and adds: “If you attack the Caliphate and the Islamic State, you will be attacked.”


BBM

The video has been taken off line on request of the French Prosecutor

Thank you for posting this. At the time, they said the car bomb was unrelated to the Charlie Hebdo murders. Also, I read somewhere the 's plan at the time he killed the policewoman was to blow up a Jewish school. Thank God that did not happen.
 
ZaZara, you could easily change the word European to American in that NR article you posted.

BTW, there is a great post in the comments there by a guy with the initials RB. A Christopher Hitchens quote.
 
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