"G (Guilty)" vs "NG (Not Guilty)" Where do you stand?

[Balthazar]

There is nothing that demonstrates KC was hiding from them out of fear. Her actions after 6/15 (and before actually w/ the stealing from CA and her grandparents) belie that she was afraid of her parents. Their demeanor w/ her during the jail visits shows she was in the driver's seat, she wasn't afraid of them. She was raging at them while they were trying to soothe her down and keep from making her anymore angry. *You're the CEO, you're in charge*....If she was afraid of them and had reason to fear them, GA wouldn't have acted like he was subservient to her during those visits. A fearful person would have truly hid out, not gotten a tat, gone girl on girl dancing, shopping, and be bopping around Orlando. She wasn't "in hiding", she just didn't want to be found.

Evidence of hiding out of fear:
1. Moving to an unknown location and not sharing the address with any family member or longtime friend so her parents would be unable to find her.
2. Not letting her family know about her new group of friends so her parents would not be able to trace her through the new friends.
3. Only returning to the Anthony home when her parents were away from the home.
4. Texting and calling on a limited basis - keeping only enough contact to keep them satisfied and away from her.
5. When notified her brother was coming to the nightclub she was at, she fled.
6. Lying about her whereabouts (trip to Tampa for work) so that her parents would not search for her in Orlando.

Her demeanor in jail could demonstrate her resentment of her parents coming out once she feels she is safe from them.

She stayed at her parents home when on bail because she had no other option and there were outsiders in the home to protect her from her parents - Leonard Padilla's bodyguard.

When she got out on bail, George attacked Casey and demanded to know where Caylee was but the bodyguard was able to thwart the attack.

The defense could use these facts to explain Casey's behavior and make a believable story of her fear of her parents.

...and no...Casey didn't sleep in bed with Cindy, she slept on a mattress on the floor of her parents room with the bodyguard present and watching her at all times. The choice of room was most likely due to the protestors out front because Casey's bedroom had a front facing window and, if you recall, the protesters were making lots of noise through most of the night. In addition, the security people didn't know if someone was going to attempt to shoot Casey through the window or throw something through the window or what might happen. All good reasons to make Casey sleep in a back room, otherwise, there would be no way to be guarantee her safety.

 

[MissJames]

It is in EVERYONE's best interest for the trial to be delayed so that the defense may be sufficiently prepared, otherwise there could be a mistrial. If you look at other notorious cases, you will see that there is often a similar delay. Patience.

Well it's the defense who continues to seek delays. I disagree that it's in the prosecutions best interest .We've been through this before, but I'm happy to repeat....
The prosections witnesses could move and not leave an address.It happens when people no longer want the BS the defense throws to distract from the real issue.
Accidents happen and witnesses could be injured or die.Illness happens and witnesses could be unable to attend. Evidence goes missing.Unfortunate,but it's happened.
Already a blogger ,who may have had contact with Cindy,has died.If he was to be a witness on either side it's too late.
Memories fade and become muddled over time.It happens to everyone,but the defense will use it to their advantage.
AS for patience....it's hard to see a picture of Caylee and not want to see justice.
Justice delayed is Justice denied.

 

[MissJames]

It is in EVERYONE's best interest for the trial to be delayed so that the defense may be sufficiently prepared, otherwise there could be a mistrial. If you look at other notorious cases, you will see that there is often a similar delay. Patience.

And what are the odds it's usually the defense causing the delay?

 

[Themis]

The defense is asking for a later trial date so that Andrea Lyon has the opportunity to prepare for the case which is entirely reasonable, IMO. The later trial date has nothing to do with what the defense will be whatsoever. There may, in fact, be a reasonable explanation. We will have to wait and see at the trial.

I appreciate your thoughts, Princess Rose. However, as posted above, there is no such thing as "reasonable explanation." The legal issue is really about how to use circumstantial evidence. This is nothing new. It is an issue of sufficiency of the evidence. The standard is still "reasonable." One of the things that concerned me is that under the discussion of "reasonable explanation" (which has turned out to be an inaccurate description) there was an assumption that such an explanation would come from the defense. The defense doesn't have to offer anything at all. There is no burden of producing evidence or persuasion on the defense. The beyond a reasonable doubt standard of proof applies to rebut the presumption of innocence and that burden is solely on the prosecution. Again, nothing new or unusual here. Clearly, there is no tasking the jury to assign percentage numbers or calibrate evidence. They only have to reach the threshhold of reasonableness.

 

[Themis]

As a distinction, the issue is not whether something is plausible or possible. The measurement is reasonableness.

 

[Themis]

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"Since KC spent the entire time after Caylee's "disappearance" and demise acting nonchalant, unconcerned and positively playful, ... ."

It occurs to me that the fact that KC is trying to act as if nothing was wrong is some circumstantial evidence, by itself, that indicates what we call "consciousness of guilt." If you ever want to see consciousness of guilt, hold up a chewed slipper in front of your puppy and put an accusing look on your face. The puppy's face will be a classic example of consciousness of guilt. That's like an admission of guilt. The opposite is when somebody absolutely knows something is extremely wrong -- like a child has been kidnapped or killed by an imaginary nanny -- and the mother tries to act as if everything is just fine. That behavior was a clear cover-up trying to hide what she did.

 

[Themis]

break out the discussion to the appropriate threads please.

Guilty or not guilty where do you stand?


ETA: It is going to be very difficult to locate this great discussion in the future.

Sorry. Just saw this and your new thread.

 

[Jolynna]

Evidence of hiding out of fear:
1. Moving to an unknown location and not sharing the address with any family member or longtime friend so her parents would be unable to find her.
2. Not letting her family know about her new group of friends so her parents would not be able to trace her through the new friends.
3. Only returning to the Anthony home when her parents were away from the home.
4. Texting and calling on a limited basis - keeping only enough contact to keep them satisfied and away from her.
5. When notified her brother was coming to the nightclub she was at, she fled.
6. Lying about her whereabouts (trip to Tampa for work) so that her parents would not search for her in Orlando.

Her demeanor in jail could demonstrate her resentment of her parents coming out once she feels she is safe from them.

She stayed at her parents home when on bail because she had no other option and there were outsiders in the home to protect her from her parents - Leonard Padilla's bodyguard.

When she got out on bail, George attacked Casey and demanded to know where Caylee was but the bodyguard was able to thwart the attack.

The defense could use these facts to explain Casey's behavior and make a believable story of her fear of her parents.

...and no...Casey didn't sleep in bed with Cindy, she slept on a mattress on the floor of her parents room with the bodyguard present and watching her at all times. The choice of room was most likely due to the protestors out front because Casey's bedroom had a front facing window and, if you recall, the protesters were making lots of noise through most of the night. In addition, the security people didn't know if someone was going to attempt to shoot Casey through the window or throw something through the window or what might happen. All good reasons to make Casey sleep in a back room, otherwise, there would be no way to be guarantee her safety.

That is a great list. I agree with every word. All those reasons are why I don't think George and Cindy knew what KC had done before July 15. Only I also I think Caylee's death was intentional and that KC was terrified her mom would find out how she'd started her road to independence.

A "surprise" death would be unnerving. But, one with purpose or that started as an outlet for rage might be a release.

If Casey had just gone from taping up half of her baby's face with duct tape because fluid was leaking out you'd think she'd be rattled. But she's videotaped in Blockbuster arm-in-arm with Tony.

For a lot of reasons I believe the duct tape is a snag to an "accident" defense.

Guilty.

JMO

 

[trixi491]

Evidence of hiding out of fear:
1. Moving to an unknown location and not sharing the address with any family member or longtime friend so her parents would be unable to find her.
2. Not letting her family know about her new group of friends so her parents would not be able to trace her through the new friends.
3. Only returning to the Anthony home when her parents were away from the home.
4. Texting and calling on a limited basis - keeping only enough contact to keep them satisfied and away from her.
5. When notified her brother was coming to the nightclub she was at, she fled.
6. Lying about her whereabouts (trip to Tampa for work) so that her parents would not search for her in Orlando.

1. The location she moved to was about 10 min away from her house. Why not flee to somewhere FAR away if your actually scared? She had friends further away than Orlando.
2. I think she didn't tell them about them because her new friends weren't "good enough" for her parent's approval IMO. She made her parents believe all her friends were from work and the Jeffrey Hopkins type. She never told her parents about AH, RM, etc and this was way before Caylee's disappearance.
3. Why would she even return if she was truly that scared?? That's a huge risk to take IMO. GA caught her once and she continued to go back to the house even after that so clearly she didn't care that much.
4. On June 16 (which we have most decided is the day Caylee died) KC sent a flurry of calls to both her parents. So when something happens to Caylee, why does KC try to contact the ppl who is she most afraid of and will continue to hide out in fear because of? Doesn't make sense.
5. B/c her brother would ask her about Caylee. She was hiding out from them, but I doubt it was b/c she was in fear for her life from them. More because she was afraid they'd call the cops on her a$$ (which they did).
6. Um, KC has been a proven liar for a long time and known to lie about the stupidest things just to make her life seem more interesting. KC lied about her whereabouts to keep them up with the belief that she had a job and was dating JH (why she would be in Jacksonville).

 

[yolorado]

There is no evidence of an accident here, even less indication of some horrible scary thing that explains this all away. All roads lead from this babe to the murder BY HER of her innocent little child. There are no other roads. Zip. Zero. Zilch. If this defendent now wants to pull an accident out of her posterior, she's going to have to EXPLAIN THAT, say how it all went down, on the stand. If that happens, the prosecution will obliterate her on cross. After they're done, there won't be anything left but dust. If Baez had any cred, he'd be doing whatever it took to deal for less than life. He's not, so I still expect KC's best offense, on appeal, will be her lack of adequate defense.

 

[Balthazar]

I appreciate your thoughts, Princess Rose. However, as posted above, there is no such thing as "reasonable explanation." The legal issue is really about how to use circumstantial evidence. This is nothing new. It is an issue of sufficiency of the evidence. The standard is still "reasonable." One of the things that concerned me is that under the discussion of "reasonable explanation" (which has turned out to be an inaccurate description) there was an assumption that such an explanation would come from the defense. The defense doesn't have to offer anything at all. There is no burden of producing evidence or persuasion on the defense. The beyond a reasonable doubt standard of proof applies to rebut the presumption of innocence and that burden is solely on the prosecution. Again, nothing new or unusual here. Clearly, there is no tasking the jury to assign percentage numbers or calibrate evidence. They only have to reach the threshhold of reasonableness.

I appreciate your explanation, however, my post was about Baez' comments that there is a "reasonable explanation" for Casey's actions not a point of law. I am well aware of courtroom procedure. However, from following Baez comments and requests to the media and in court, I suspect that some explanation may be forthcoming in the trial or at least that WAS his strategy. A risky strategy, to say the least. It will all depend upon what Andrea Lyon wants to do since she is now first chair.

 

[yolorado]

I am no lawyer, but I was just thinking that IF Caylee's death was an accident (and no I do not believe it was) then when she was first arrested any lawyer worth anything would have had a pronto talk with the prosecutors explaining this terrible accident. Am I wrong ? Would that not be the job and duty of an attorney ?

I just think it's crazy to entertain the notion that Casey would sit behind bars this long under these very serious charges without screaming out..."It was an accident" ! Even if she was too ashamed to tell LE in the beginning, I can't see 24 hours in jail going by without the admission. When you are charged with the murder of your own child, an accident pales in comparison....no way, she'd sit there all this time and not say anything.

You're exactly right and the jury won't miss this. If there's this BIG, NEAT explanation that makes everything that happened make sense, turns everything around into alright, where the hell was it for the year or two the babe sat in jail flirting with her lawyer? Where was it when baby was missing? Where was it when Caylee was found? Where was it ever since? And it would have to come from the horse's mouth to even have a prayer. Jury ain't going to want to here it inferred and insinuated from Baez. If KC gets on the stand, she'll just be setting herself up for a big fall...off a cliff...to her death, imo! If Baez won't get a plea, or can't, she'll turn on him after her conviction and say he wasn't a good lawyer. I don't think that won't be too hard to prove...probably won't help, but it's her best card, imo.

 

[countzero]

You're exactly right and the jury won't miss this. If there's this BIG, NEAT explanation that makes everything that happened make sense, turns everything around into alright, where the hell was it for the year or two the babe sat in jail flirting with her lawyer? Where was it when baby was missing? Where was it when Caylee was found? Where was it ever since? And it would have to come from the horse's mouth to even have a prayer. Jury ain't going to want to here it inferred and insinuated from Baez. If KC gets on the stand, she'll just be setting herself up for a big fall...off a cliff...to her death, imo! If Baez won't get a plea, or can't, she'll turn on him after her conviction and say he wasn't a good lawyer. I don't think that won't be too hard to prove...probably won't help, but it's her best card, imo.

Excellent post! KC wasn't hiding from anyone much less herself. She wasn't afraid of anyone, but herself.

One who is afraid of their parent does NOT:

say, much less repeat, the dropped F Bomb to their parents

give physical facial expressions of disgust to their parents

tell their parents what they are going to do

be defiant to directions given by them


KC did all the above plus more to show her parents and the outside world, she isn't afraid of her parents or anyone in a position of authority. She brushes them off as if they were gnats gathering around her. Nothing but a bother to her immediate needs.

Guilty she is as guilty she does. KC has gone as far as being disrespectful to Judge Strickland and the court system. Don't think for a moment that Judge Strickland hasn't picked up on this as well. I don't like the fact the trial has been postponed but I am more than willing to wait her out. As I said before I am sitting here on my Mac in front of my 52" HDTV watching all the sports I can, drinking and eating and have access to my cell phone. All the while missy zanny-nanny KC sits on a cold hard steel bed, sucking down her commissary issued foods, listening on an AM radio, reading books and while being embarrassed with having others in authority watch while she goes potty ......... takes a shower ........ and eat.

So let the state give the defense the proper legal timeframe for ALyons to put KC's case on her backburner while she goes to teach and give speeches.

 

[butwhatif?]

I am no lawyer, but I was just thinking that IF Caylee's death was an accident (and no I do not believe it was) then when she was first arrested any lawyer worth anything would have had a pronto talk with the prosecutors explaining this terrible accident. Am I wrong ? Would that not be the job and duty of an attorney ?

I just think it's crazy to entertain the notion that Casey would sit behind bars this long under these very serious charges without screaming out..."It was an accident" ! Even if she was too ashamed to tell LE in the beginning, I can't see 24 hours in jail going by without the admission. When you are charged with the murder of your own child, an accident pales in comparison....no way, she'd sit there all this time and not say anything.

I can see KC crying out that JB forced her to continue the lie if/when she is found guilty. she'll say "he made me do it, when I just wanted to tell the truth" ....Cause she always lays the blame on anyone but herself.
JMO

 

[Brini]

I agree. My brother thinks it had to have been an accident. He hasn't read a single interview, but she's cute. No motive...could have left the baby with her mom...

I'm not sure how she's going to pull of the part where she says she was so shocked into "senselessness & felt so horrible" that she wrapped up half of Caylee's face in duct tape and then pitched Caylee in the car trunk and/or sandbox.

The duct tape is a big snag.

Even IF (and you know I don't believe it), but still IF she had had to seal up her dead baby's face to stop "leakage", you'd think the surprise accident and taping up your little girl's face would rattle a "mother".

Yet the defendant is videotaped that very day, arm in arm with her new boyfriend. But even by Blockbuster, she's already coherently managed to cover her fanny and called the grandma to make sure nobody would be setting Caylee's plates on the dinner table. "No worries mom. Caylee and I are off bonding."

And then she KC was so upset she fell to the ground sobbing...oops nix that...put "mama" doll in Caylee's arms so she wouldn't be lonely...oops that didn't cross KC's mind in 31 days...hmmm...oh yeah, she ugly coped note to self to look up definition)...she watched grisley murder movies. Then she made mad passionate love and wore Tony out so much he missed school the next day.

And how did KC showed her senselessness? She ran by her parents to get a shovel the next day. Ok...she downloaded the picture with Tony to her photobucket. Then she posted on all the social sites to all of her friends to remind them Friday night was White Night at Fusian.

If anything her functioning was higher. She was calling Cindy every day to make sure nobody panicked and did something rash, she worked (managing shot girls), cooked, cleaned house, did laundry, shopped for Tony and his roommates and had an active social life.

She also manages to cover her fanny every step of the way. Casey wasn't in shock. Her crime was disorganized because Casey is naturally one of those people who doesn't put out fires until they blaze.

JMO

BTW- Re: Young, cute, and female.... It's much the same sort of crime as SPs, and much the same sort of person.

But, many people seem willing to cut KC a lot more slack.

 

[Wudge]

Evidence of hiding out of fear:
1. Moving to an unknown location and not sharing the address with any family member or longtime friend so her parents would be unable to find her.
2. Not letting her family know about her new group of friends so her parents would not be able to trace her through the new friends.
3. Only returning to the Anthony home when her parents were away from the home.
4. Texting and calling on a limited basis - keeping only enough contact to keep them satisfied and away from her.
5. When notified her brother was coming to the nightclub she was at, she fled.
6. Lying about her whereabouts (trip to Tampa for work) so that her parents would not search for her in Orlando.

Her demeanor in jail could demonstrate her resentment of her parents coming out once she feels she is safe from them.

She stayed at her parents home when on bail because she had no other option and there were outsiders in the home to protect her from her parents - Leonard Padilla's bodyguard.

When she got out on bail, George attacked Casey and demanded to know where Caylee was but the bodyguard was able to thwart the attack.

The defense could use these facts to explain Casey's behavior and make a believable story of her fear of her parents.

...and no...Casey didn't sleep in bed with Cindy, she slept on a mattress on the floor of her parents room with the bodyguard present and watching her at all times. The choice of room was most likely due to the protestors out front because Casey's bedroom had a front facing window and, if you recall, the protesters were making lots of noise through most of the night. In addition, the security people didn't know if someone was going to attempt to shoot Casey through the window or throw something through the window or what might happen. All good reasons to make Casey sleep in a back room, otherwise, there would be no way to be guarantee her safety.

The sequencing makes your argument very easy to understand. It has a nice flow. It's also factual, well thought out and sensible. A reasoned jury would almost assuredly consider it as you intended and easily remember it. ... Very well presented - excellent.

 

[Brini]

Evidence of hiding out of fear:
1. Moving to an unknown location and not sharing the address with any family member or longtime friend so her parents would be unable to find her.
2. Not letting her family know about her new group of friends so her parents would not be able to trace her through the new friends.
3. Only returning to the Anthony home when her parents were away from the home.
4. Texting and calling on a limited basis - keeping only enough contact to keep them satisfied and away from her.
5. When notified her brother was coming to the nightclub she was at, she fled.
6. Lying about her whereabouts (trip to Tampa for work) so that her parents would not search for her in Orlando.

Her demeanor in jail could demonstrate her resentment of her parents coming out once she feels she is safe from them.

She stayed at her parents home when on bail because she had no other option and there were outsiders in the home to protect her from her parents - Leonard Padilla's bodyguard.

When she got out on bail, George attacked Casey and demanded to know where Caylee was but the bodyguard was able to thwart the attack.

The defense could use these facts to explain Casey's behavior and make a believable story of her fear of her parents.

...and no...Casey didn't sleep in bed with Cindy, she slept on a mattress on the floor of her parents room with the bodyguard present and watching her at all times. The choice of room was most likely due to the protestors out front because Casey's bedroom had a front facing window and, if you recall, the protesters were making lots of noise through most of the night. In addition, the security people didn't know if someone was going to attempt to shoot Casey through the window or throw something through the window or what might happen. All good reasons to make Casey sleep in a back room, otherwise, there would be no way to be guarantee her safety.

Fear?

This is the gal who yells at her parents and drops f-bombs on them incessantly.

This is the gal who stole from them for years, and tot nop punishment.. just enabling.

No, she's not afraid of her parents. They've covered up for her, excused her, and paid off her thefts for quite awhile. When they get in her face, she screams right back at them. Or, she starts a screaming fight, herself, when she is balked.

No, she has never been afraid of her parents. Not physically afraid, anyway. Look at her ping maps. All she did was drive back and forth between her parents house, TonE's, and the clubs.

KC is not afriad of being harmed by her parents. If I yelled, "Here are your *advertiser censored**ing gas cans" at my Dad, I'd still be picking my teeth off the ground.

KC just wants it all- her parents gave her a car. She wants to stay with them WHEN she wants and HOW she wants. She wants money from the folks, now and then. And, she wants the perfect freedom to stay elsewhere whenever she likes, as well. She wants a couple of demand-free homes, without the responsibility of having to pay her own way.

The "I'm afraid Mom will call me a bad mother" thing isn't going to get much sympathy.

Then, there is the alleged fight at the house, on the 15th, that is likely to have been the catalyst for the whole crime. "Mom told me to get a job or get out, and to start taking care of my kid," isn't gong to get much sympathy, either.

KC was afraid. KC is spoiled rotten.

And, if we are tempted to make excuses for her, because she is young, cute, and female, there is also danger that we are enabling her, just as her parents have.

Again, SP did the same thing, and just as coldly. But, he doesn't get the excuses and the sympathy.

I've always thought that any bullying was done BY CA and KC, TO GA and LA. Both of the males act subordinate to both of the females. CA and KC are the two, matriarchial, cats in a bag. The males sort of follow after them.

 

[Marina2]

I am no lawyer, but I was just thinking that IF Caylee's death was an accident (and no I do not believe it was) then when she was first arrested any lawyer worth anything would have had a pronto talk with the prosecutors explaining this terrible accident. Am I wrong ? Would that not be the job and duty of an attorney ?

I just think it's crazy to entertain the notion that Casey would sit behind bars this long under these very serious charges without screaming out..."It was an accident" ! Even if she was too ashamed to tell LE in the beginning, I can't see 24 hours in jail going by without the admission. When you are charged with the murder of your own child, an accident pales in comparison....no way, she'd sit there all this time and not say anything.

Remember, if she admitted to an accident at the beginning, she would have to lead LE to the body. Was this something she didn't want to do for some reason?

 

[Balthazar]

That is a great list. I agree with every word. All those reasons are why I don't think George and Cindy knew what KC had done before July 15. Only I also I think Caylee's death was intentional and that KC was terrified her mom would find out how she'd started her road to independence.

A "surprise" death would be unnerving. But, one with purpose or that started as an outlet for rage might be a release.

If Casey had just gone from taping up half of her baby's face with duct tape because fluid was leaking out you'd think she'd be rattled. But she's videotaped in Blockbuster arm-in-arm with Tony.

For a lot of reasons I believe the duct tape is a snag to an "accident" defense.

Guilty.

JMO

I agree that all those reasons are indicative of Cindy and George not knowing what was going on until July 15.

But it's important to remember that we don't really know exactly when or how or even where Caylee died. There is a theory that it was the afternoon of the 16th based on cell pings/flurry of calls and the fact Caylee was never seen after that date, but no absolute proof that is the right date. There appears to be a time and opportunity on that date, but nothing to absolutely prove this is when Caylee died at all. So the Blockbuster video may be of someone who was happy and calm because nothing was wrong - which is what I expect the defense will say.

Here's where I think there could be a big problem with the prosecutions case: the odor in the car trunk was apparently not present on June 24 - at least George didn't notice it when he caught Casey at home and she gave him his gas cans, pretty amazing considering how overpowering the odor of human decomposition is and that he was only a few feet away from the open trunk. Considering how foul the odor was, I would expect it would even cling to the gas cans Casey gave George. Based on this, some believe that George did smell the odor and knew what had happened and simply lied and swept it under the rug until it could be ignored no longer. But for the sake of this arguement, let's say he was truthful and didn't smell anything on that date, the labs determined that the odor was 2.6 days decomp, so since George didn't smell anything on June 24, that could indicate to the jury that Caylee died after June 24. Around June 27, TL picked Casey up at her car at the Amscot and he didn't smell anything which corroborates George's story from the 24th. The decomp odor, if Caylee died on June 16 would have been intense and rank on June 24th and June 27th - even moreso than when the Anthony's picked up the car at the tow yard - odors decrease in noxiousnous over time, not increase. There is no one else who smelled the odor up until the time the car is at the towyard. That's pretty hard to believe since Casey would have parked her car at TL's apartment complex between June 16th and June 23rd. Yet we have seen no interviews with apartment tenants who noticed the odor coming from her car. In addition, the human decomp odor is readily absorbed by humans, particularily in our fingernails and hair and does not come out for at least 2 days despite repeated showers and baths. But no one noticed this odor on Casey, not even those who had intimate contact with her. These are all things that I believe the defense will bring up to make jurors question the prosecutions timeline and case. The prosecution will rebut with the "squirrel text" to Amy on June 27. That might lead jurors to conclude that Caylee may have died on June 25 - but how, when, and where and most of all, by whose hand? Because there is no good way to prove the exact date and time of death or even the location, the prosecution is going to have a tough time proving that Casey was definitely the only one who could have committed the murder. Hopefully there is evidence we are unaware of. If not, the evidence that has been revealed so far is problematic and very arguable by the defense.

I personally believe Casey is likely guilty - whether it was intentional or not, I don't know, but I don't think the prosecutors will get Murder 1 out of this. My expectation is that Linda Baden's crew will demolish the forensics, then Andrea Lyon will demolish the prosecutions timeline and the jury will be left questioning what really happened or if any of the evidence gathered actually places Casey at Caylee's homicide. Heaven knows what else the defense might present. If the case presented creates doubt in the jury's mind, this might be manslaughter, at worst, Casey could walk. And yes, I have seen criminal trials where this sort of thing has happened, in one case, a heinous axe murder where the defendant walked despite having confessed to the crime and having her fingerprints at the scene. I learned long ago not to take anything for granted where these types of trials are concerned. Anything could happen. This is why I believe the postponement is beneficial to all parties. The prosecution needs to make sure their case is as strong as possible because the defense is going to try to rip their case apart.

 

[Brini]

BBM This is the point that it will come off the rails, so to speak. KC testifying to a "plausible" explanation and in a truthful manner? Not her forte. I've said it before, but she shot the moon, she over reached w/ these wild lies and stories she made up. Way too much. She forgot the old credo, "Less Is More". If she had wanted to go the way of an accident, she should have never gone the "Zanny" route. I don't think the jury would believe her "plausible" explanation after all the evidence regarding her extravagant and outrageous lying is laid out for them.

True. Chronic liars often make that mistake. They embellish WAY too much. They over-explain. They give a lot of detail, but often can't describe the basic outline of the situation.

Say you are calling in sick to work, when you want to go to the beach. Most people would just say, "I have the flu, so I'm not coming in."

The chronic liar would go into long descriptions of symptoms, what the doctor told them, what medicines they are taking, etc.

But, even if she had stuck to simplicity, she would have had to be very good at it.

That Quartz Hill woman who claimed that she was hit over the head, and her baby taken and killed, didn't get far with the story.