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But if she inhaled the super hot gases, wouldn’t her lungs contain soot?? But they didn’t? MOO
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Not necessarily. Signs and symptoms of smoke inhalation can vary widely. I believe they speculated she died in a “flash fire” due to the presence of a nearby gas can. No soot in her lungs is not indicative. Signs in the skin color and soot in the nostrils or throat can also signal the degree of smoke inhalation. I'd be more confident after a second opinion from somebody given all the facts including photos of the body, etc. JMOBut if she inhaled the super hot gases, wouldn’t her lungs contain soot?? But they didn’t? MOO
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I checked with my BIL, a medical examiner, and he added some needed clarity.
As he explained, without any knowledge of the physical examination, we are only seeing a few words here or the summarized cause of death.
In this case, in the order of importance, DC's cause of death was primarily due to the inhalation of superheated gases [burns your respiratory tract, typically, respiratory arrest, cardiac arrest, and death], Thermal Injuries [skin injuries by excessive heat], and Hydrocodone Intoxication [under the influence of hydrocodone] -- not to be confused with hydrocodone toxicity. And each of the above contributed to DC's death.
When oxygen levels are at:
IMO, seems we all applied layman's definitions to a medical determination.
- 21 percent .... an individual experiences: .... normal outside air,
- 17 percent .... impaired judgment and coordination,
- 12 percent .....headache, dizziness, nausea, fatigue,
- 9 percent ..... unconsciousness,
- 6 percent ..... respiratory arrest, cardiac arrest, death.
That is also not a "cause of death ".or, Death by Misadventure?
Probably statistically unlikely in we older ladies....
I'm not arguing that hydrocodone intoxication could have contributed to the circumstances that caused her death...I'm saying that hydrocode "intoxication " isn't an actual cause of death. Now, to be fair, I haven't seen the actual autopsy reports. Perhaps her cause of death was listed as inhalation of super heated gases and thermal injuries. That would make perfect sense, since both of those things can cause physiological changes to the body which can result in death. Perhaps, somewhere else on the report (not directly listed under cause of death ), the ME made an additional note explaining that hydrocodone intoxication could have been a contributing factor in the circumstances of her death. I've only read the msm reports, so I really don't know. It's also a possibility that journalists misread or misinterpreted what the report actually said.
JMO
If you go back into the earlier threads there are maps links. If memory serves, AB did seem satisfied with the suicide theory but JB did not.Do we have a map of where the “self-immolation “ (which I am highly skeptical of) supposedly began and where she was found down the hill? How far apart were these two places? From what I’ve read her daughter seems satisfied with the suicide theory, not sure about the rest of the family.
Do we have a map of where the “self-immolation “ (which I am highly skeptical of) supposedly began and where she was found down the hill? How far apart were these two places? From what I’ve read her daughter seems satisfied with the suicide theory, not sure about the rest of the family.
LE seems satisfied with the medical examiner's determination of suicide.Do we have a map of where the “self-immolation “ (which I am highly skeptical of) supposedly began and where she was found down the hill? How far apart were these two places? From what I’ve read her daughter seems satisfied with the suicide theory, not sure about the rest of the family.
IMO, how the family feels ceases being a private matter when they take their feelings public and voice their concern over the investigation!LE seems satisfied with the medical examiner's determination of suicide.
How the family feels is a private matter, IMO.
Pathologists are able to tell what happened to her and there is substantial video evidence of her activities that day. She purchased the items used at the death scene. She had prescriptions for the drugs found in her system. She wasn't forced to buy those items at the store or to drive to that location, far from her home. Just as she wasn't forced to get fast food on her way there. Her external burns are not the primary cause of death, the (not unheard of) damage to her breathing passages/lungs from breathing in the fumes/hot air from the shirt catching fire, prevented oxygenation, causing suffocation. The events were investigated thoroughly as if it was indeed a homicide. There was zero evidence of anyone else being involved or accompanying her, at the scene or in her vehicle, to the restaurant or the stores, or when driving past traffic cameras.I will just add, I never thought DB was suicidal. Did she take the pills, alone, or was she forced or encouraged to take the pills. Did she pour gas on herself, or was it thrown on her, then a match was thrown to lite the fire? Unfortunately, I doubt we will ever know.
I will just add, I never thought DB was suicidal. Did she take the pills, alone, or was she forced or encouraged to take the pills. Did she pour gas on herself, or was it thrown on her, then a match was thrown to lite the fire? Unfortunately, I doubt we will ever know.
I will just add, I never thought DB was suicidal. Did she take the pills, alone, or was she forced or encouraged to take the pills. Did she pour gas on herself, or was it thrown on her, then a match was thrown to lite the fire? Unfortunately, I doubt we will ever know.
I never thought DB was suicidal.
Just curious and always concerned about the myths and stigmas associated with suicide, what information made you think she wasn't suicidal and did you know her in a very personal manner?I agree.
There is more to the story.
I, too, do not know enough about what has not been reported to reason that it was suicide.If you don't think it was suicide, are you thinking they are incompetent or intentionally misleading the public and family?