Wanting to re-ask this question, since I posted it so near the end of the other thread:
Given the extreme interest in this case, is there a chance the commitment hearing will be, in effect, closed to the public? If so, will media reps still be able to attend? Anybody know?
It wasn't the same night, so if he were focused on that one night, it may have taken him a few minutes. Not all that unusual. Especially, if he told it the next day as reported.
He stated his saw was twisted. Despite what people are reporting that Stanley saw says, saws do get twisted and warped. Even more so if someone has no clue how to use one. It isn't impossible for this to be true. And since it is a common saw (the only one sold by area Walmarts), it would not be unusual for two people to have the same one.
They do not know the packaging matches that one saw at this point. And we do not know how it was in his home. Was it displayed as a trophy or hidden in a secret hiding spot, or was it under a Starship Trooper model to keep glue and paint from dripping, or under a table leg to keep it from wobbling.
What is unusual about that? It was reported the friends, including McD, had been taken to the station and spent several hours with the detective. He might know the car and the name because he had been with him all morning, and probably even rode in that car.
We do not know how this happened. Was it a prank, or a dare? Some kind of scavenger hunt? Or was it something he thought he might need and he didn't have time to go to a store? Or is he secretly gay and wanted to have something connected to these guys (strange, but still possible)? Or does he like to take small things from random people (again, strange, but a big leap from dismembering the neighbor)?
I'm sure someone will have a cow (MOO!) over me posting this, but I tend to look at all options. I have to consider what could be the other possibility for these things. Not that they are the correct option, but an option to be considered, just the same.
I think you may have to explain this to me as well :waitasec:Also, I wanted to let you guys know that I looked through Flickr and found as many pictures as I could from downtown Macon during the last week of June. I found one person that was in the area that took tourist type pictures. I was thinking that maybe they had some pictures with cars or people in the background. She might not write me back, but I explained the situation and am hoping she will or will at least send them to LE.
Boy, the best and brightest of WS seem to all be on the case here! It took me awhile, but I read every single post and every article, and there really isn't a whole lot that hasn't been said, or hypothesized. (and man you JDs sure know how to talk it up!) But, after all of that I do have one thought that I would like to share.
I think it's possible that the attempted break in on the Thursday night prior actually did not happen at all. I think that it is possible that McD made it up, and told it to Lauren as a warning, so that she would tell her friends and it would add to the reasons that McD would not be focused upon as suspect in her disappearance.
I'm not convinced, but I do think it is possible, and it would explain why she was not all that shaken up by it (and perhaps not entirely convinced it even really happened). This would also make it more likely that she did in fact write that last email mentioning it, and why McD focused on that part of the email so intensely during his press interview.
I also have a question... early on, in one of the first threads, there was a rumor that LE was upset about how the very beginning of the investigation (the night before she was found) was botched, and that led to problems with evidence having been moved. The obvious evidence was her torso, naturally. But is there any hint that any other evidence was moved? I thought perhaps the Zaxby's bags which were originally reported as being in her apt (I thought) and later they were said to be in her car (which struck me as odd). Though I can see no rational reason to move that sort of evidence around...
Hello!
Regarding what I bolded in your post:
I did bring this up once, the possibility that Stephen might have told Lauren that he had witnessed or suspected someone trying to break into her apartment -- but I sort of turned around and shot the theory back down by saying that might have been too risky ... because if she told friends "Stephen said..." and then later any finger of suspicion pointed at him ... well, I kind of ruled it out as unlikely. Not impossible though.
We know about the email that mentions the possible break-attempt, but other than that, it seems that LG didn't tell anyone about it. I know we had a report of someone who was out with Lauren on Friday night thinking it odd that Lauren didn't mention it, if it concerned her at all. (This was when we were theorizing about whether the perp might have written the email.) Of course, she could have mentioned it to others that we just don't know of.
Hello!
Regarding what I bolded in your post:
I did bring this up once, the possibility that Stephen might have told Lauren that he had witnessed or suspected someone trying to break into her apartment -- but I sort of turned around and shot the theory back down by saying that might have been too risky ... because if she told friends "Stephen said..." and then later any finger of suspicion pointed at him ... well, I kind of ruled it out as unlikely. Not impossible though.
We know about the email that mentions the possible break-attempt, but other than that, it seems that LG didn't tell anyone about it. I know we had a report of someone who was out with Lauren on Friday night thinking it odd that Lauren didn't mention it, if it concerned her at all. (This was when we were theorizing about whether the perp might have written the email.) Of course, she could have mentioned it to others that we just don't know of.
Thanks for your reply, and my sincerest apologies for not remembering that you had brought it up already (there were an incredible amount of posts I had to read through!)
I see your point about how it may have turned around and led to more suspicion of McD, but I tend to think he wouldn't have seen it that way. Maybe. He certainly didn't worry about that thought when he really played it up in his TV interview!
One thing I am not clear on. I think the consensus is now that she did indeed write that email, is that correct? And also, it was to her BF in Atlanta (but presently in CA) if I remember correctly. ?
I think you may have to explain this to me as well :waitasec:
Is there something in particular you're hoping someone captured in a photo?
One of the lawyers can give you a better answer, but for now this link might help. It's a state by state guide to cameras in the courtroom. It basically says media has to submit a written request to cover a case in the courtroom, and the judge has the discretion to grant extended coverage, but can also limit coverage to one video camera and one still camera in the courtroom at one time.Wanting to re-ask this question, since I posted it so near the end of the other thread:
Given the extreme interest in this case, is there a chance the commitment hearing will be, in effect, closed to the public? If so, will media reps still be able to attend? Anybody know?
One of the lawyers can give you a better answer, but for now this link might help. It's a state by state guide to cameras in the courtroom. It basically says media has to submit a written request to cover a case in the courtroom, and the judge has the discretion to grant extended coverage, but can also limit coverage to one video camera and one still camera in the courtroom at one time.
http://www.rtnda.org/pages/media_items/cameras-in-the-court-a-state-by-state-guide55.php
There's also a possibility the judge could rule a gag order prohibiting any of the players from speaking to the media. I was afraid that was coming when Mrs McD was talking so much. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it won't come to that. :crossfingers:
Wanting to re-ask this question, since I posted it so near the end of the other thread:
Given the extreme interest in this case, is there a chance the commitment hearing will be, in effect, closed to the public? If so, will media reps still be able to attend? Anybody know?
SNAP....why in the heck would the killer put the saw in the utility closet? This whole case has me spinning.
AngelAnalyzes has changed my world....educating me about the reasoning behind a crime such as this. I am so grateful for her young blood and interest in this case. The book references helped me understand how someone ramps up to a murder so shocking.
Things like the access to the storeroom, utility closet etc.......yes. Very important. Those things are, to coin a word, logistics.
Why and how to prevent is mitigation.
Angel please stay.
Wanting to re-ask this question, since I posted it so near the end of the other thread:
Given the extreme interest in this case, is there a chance the commitment hearing will be, in effect, closed to the public? If so, will media reps still be able to attend? Anybody know?
UNIFORM PROBATE COURT RULES
2.7 Article 6 Probate Courts.
2.8 Article 6 Probate Courts concurrent jurisdiction with superior courts.
5.2 Ex parte orders.
Under compelling circumstances, a motion for temporary limitation of access,
not to exceed thirty (30) days, may be granted, ex parte, upon motion
accompanied by supporting affidavit.
10.10 Electronic and photographic news coverage of judicial proceedings.
15.8 Initial appearance/commitment hearings.
(B) Commitment hearing.
3. At the commitment hearing, the following procedures shall be utilized:
(a) The rules of evidence shall apply except that hearsay may be allowed;
(b) The prosecuting entity shall have the burden of proving
probable cause; and may be represented by a law enforcement officer,
a district attorney, a solicitor, or otherwise as is customary in that court;
(c) The accused may be represented by an attorney or may appear pro se; and
(d) The accused shall be permitted to introduce evidence.
UNIFORM SUPERIOR COURT RULES
Rule 21.3. Ex Parte Orders
Under compelling circumstances, a motion for temporary limitation of access,
not to exceed 30 days, may be granted, ex parte, upon motion accompanied
by supporting affidavit.
Rule 22. ELECTRONIC AND PHOTOGRAPHIC NEWS COVERAGE OF JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS
Rule 26.2. Commitment Hearing by Court of Inquiry
(B) At the commitment hearing, the following procedures shall be utilized:
(1) The rules of evidence shall apply except that hearsay may be allowed;
(2) The prosecuting entity shall have the burden of proving probable cause; and may be
represented by a law enforcement officer, a district attorney, a solicitor,
a private attorney or otherwise as is customary in that court;
(3) The accused may be represented by an attorney or may appear pro se; and
(4) The accused shall be permitted to introduce evidence.
The Probate Court of Bibb County is an Article 6 Probate Court [Title 15, Chapter 9, Article 6, Official Code of Georgia Annotated] and has an enhanced or expanded jurisdiction.
I think we're all in agreement on that point. Imagine their current task. A family pulling together and asking for help to find the missing parts of their daughter's body! It's surreal, and so utterly sad.Posted by Starry Nights:
Wow, thanks, more than you know that means a lot to me! I don't really deserve all that, I haven't done anything yet to make a mark, but I'm just now starting my senior year and words like this mean a lot to me and help me stay focused. It's easy to stay focused on my area of interest, but not on the other classes I have to take as pre-req's lol. This post is self-absorbed but after saying something so nice about me I just had to thank you in a post
To (not so)PlainJaneDoe:
Inbox isn't full now, but if anyone tried to send me something and couldn't, my apologies. I haven't been home much this weekend. I'd love to hear what I might have missed
On a side note...this case is really starting to affect me emotionally. Seeing the vidoes made for Lauren struck a nerve and really humanized her to me, my heart breaks for Lauren and her family. I have no instinctive doubt that Stephen McDaniel did this to them all, and my anger and disgust is growing by the day. What right did he have? So incredibly tragic.
Thanks, bessie.
I bet the Macon media folks are getting those requests in, huh?
I was thinking, too -- as far as the public attending (thinking of course about WSers here): if there are main courtrooms and smaller ones (as there are some places, not sure about Bibb Co.), it might be held in a small one even if not formally closed, something along those lines.
Is the commitment hearing generally an open one, barring a gag order or something similar?
in response to Psycho Mom(please forgive me I'm a newbie and I don't know all the quote functionals yet)
With it being a different night I cant phantom someone as competent as SM not being forthcoming with this MM on the balcony at the first sign of trouble if that was indeed what he saw....just seems very out of the norm for someone as smart and young as him to not initially remember this, especially strange for a new Law graduate.
as far as the saw packaging, yes this may be insignificant based on how it was found as you said, it also is a paper trail of insignificant things leading back to him
as far as the detectives name and car, it seems odd b/c he is very acute and detailed with almost everything but LG...not sure if she had a boyfriend, didn't remember much about seeing her family once, didn't remember the loud noise and MM being on a balcony in the wee hours of the morning, couldn't give a definitive answer on her age.
as far as the burglary with the condoms. I'm clueless myself as to exactly why these were taken....just another oddity in a odd crime.