dancinunderthemoon
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Somebody close to them or that could be detected easily went to great lengths to get rid of their DNA at crime scene or not leave any behind
I guess all families do whatever feels right for them at the time, and based on the deceased's wishes, etc. But given that this couple was so elderly (so for them, one might presume a service would have been something they would have expected to take place for them upon their deaths), and the nature of their previous businesses, throughout the course of their lives they would have made SO many acquaintances and connections and friends, employees, biz associates, etc..I didn’t realize, or had forgotten, there were no memorial services for the Dermonds. Do we know if they had requested this, or was it left up to the surviving family?
IF, this had happened to my elderly parents, and they had not left funeral instructions, I believe I would have had a service. I would have been distraught, and needed the comfort of friends, family, and well wishers, that a service/memorial would have provided. Shortly after the service, and up until the time of apprehension of the perps, I would have parked myself at the sheriff’s office, and done everything in my power to solve this horrific crime.
IMHO
There certainly was a closed casket ceremony ...
Waited 4 years to do an interview to make a plea ....
because he had no head, OMG and she had skin slippage and bloatedHow do you know there was a closed casket ceremony? AFAIK, there's only been the one service at their church which was organized by the pastor himself, I believe, and which the family chose not to involve themselves with (I'm not sure if this occurred before or after SD's body had been found? Anyone know?), and then it was said the family was having a 'private service'... which could mean in fact, 'no service'.
And although it was said that one of the sons was breaking the family's silence after 4 years to make a plea for information, I didn't hear any plea coming from him.. did anyone else?
No, Brad didnt say he was making a plea but the reporter stated that was the gist of the interview.....How do you know there was a closed casket ceremony? AFAIK, there's only been the one service at their church which was organized by the pastor himself, I believe, and which the family chose not to involve themselves with (I'm not sure if this occurred before or after SD's body had been found? Anyone know?), and then it was said the family was having a 'private service'... which could mean in fact, 'no service'.
And although it was said that one of the sons was breaking the family's silence after 4 years to make a plea for information, I didn't hear any plea coming from him.. did anyone else?
Thank you for this map. Just what I wanted! And more!
It magnifies how far the boat would have had to travel before dumping her. Just before the lake really narrows (which I assume is where the dam is). Why carry her that far? Was she still alive? Were they trying to get some info from her? I would think it would almost have to rule out a dinghy-type boat because someone could have reported seeing her in the boat. Even with a bigger boat someone would have seen her unless they had her down on the floorboard?
Your map also shows how your car would have driven down there. It made me think of what if they did drive her out? Trying to get some info from her (to maybe hit an ATM) but decided to kill her instead and driving down to where they had a boat, maybe at their house? Then, they would just take her out in their boat, dump her and get back to their dock very quickly? They could have had the rope, cement blocks and laundry bag at their place.
I really think they were cremated, why even put those bodies in a casket, cant really embalm them and whats the point now at the condition of the bodiesNo, Brad didnt say he was making a plea but the reporter stated that was the gist of the interview.....
We all know the family has made no efforts in finding their parents killers, we think didnt give to the reward fund and didnt make a public plea at any time until this interview, which Brad DID NOT state anything himself, he stuttered at the right times is all. Four years is too late
You're picking apart the wrong things
The more I know, the more it seems clearly, in my view anywayWhat absolutely floors me about this crime is all the subterfuge and the ins and outs, the two entirely different modes of death, two entirely different locations of bodies, etc. And, yet, NOTHING, NOTHING is reported missing or out of place in the home or around the home. No writing in blood (that we know of). It would "almost" appear as if they were very, very careful not to disturb anything in or around the home. The more I know (or think I know), the more I end up scratching my head.
I was thinking the other day about this case, and the decapitation as a compromise. Possibly, while hauling SD away (to "the boat" most likely), one of the perps may have injured him/herself. I'm thinking along the lines of a back strain, muscle pull, badly sprained ankle, dislocated shoulder.
They arrive back at the garage, and come to the realization that there's no way they can transport RDs body the same way. So, what to do? Can't just leave him here, with "evidence" in/on his head. One person can maybe drag his body, but we've all heard about the complications that come with "dead weight."
Now what???
IMO, MOO, speculation:
The presence of the towels to contain the blood on the floor seems like a desperation move to me. I can almost visualize the scene, with the perps watching the blood as it begins to flow. "Get something to stop that from going out the door!" The rushing around the garage, holding up various items for approval. "No, that won't work, it's not big enough." "There's a bathroom right there, look for towels!"
Just some food for thought. MOO
For sure.......I can see that, I imagined something sort of like that when I realized it was probably something not planned, yeah that panic makes sense.........
I hadnt thought of an injury though, good one!
SO if an injury prevented it, then they were likely going to haul them both off but if dna caused the need to haul them off.........then that part was unplanned.
Why would they wish to kill them and leave them where they fell? Would they have? And why? No maybe not due to the fact they didnt want anyone to know about him being in there since the towels were used to dam the blood flow into the driveway.......giving them time
Now a step further, did they KNOW beforehand that the bathroom was "right there"? I guess if they are in ......OMG..... real estate or construction they might know or have a very good notion on the layout of all these type houses???
Smaller homes dont usually have a bathroom by the garage? Or do they? I know some do, my parents, not mine, my cousins does, but I've managed some upscale homes that didnt..........hmmm, food for thought, I know others have inquired about this, and if they rummaged thru the house to find towels
Or did they know the layout of this house?
I still just wonder WHO would go to such great lengths to go so undetected as to hide him, haul her off, no dna left behind, that we know of...........
Someone they knew..........who might be detected so much quicker if suspected at all.....
All i know is someone didnt want their dna discovered
Thanks!
For sure.......I can see that, I imagined something sort of like that when I realized it was probably something not planned, yeah that panic makes sense.........
I hadnt thought of an injury though, good one!
SO if an injury prevented it, then they were likely going to haul them both off but if dna caused the need to haul them off.........then that part was unplanned.
Why would they wish to kill them and leave them where they fell? Would they have? And why? No maybe not due to the fact they didnt want anyone to know about him being in there since the towels were used to dam the blood flow into the driveway.......giving them time
Now a step further, did they KNOW beforehand that the bathroom was "right there"? I guess if they are in ......OMG..... real estate or construction they might know or have a very good notion on the layout of all these type houses???
Smaller homes dont usually have a bathroom by the garage? Or do they? I know some do, my parents, not mine, my cousins does, but I've managed some upscale homes that didnt..........hmmm, food for thought, I know others have inquired about this, and if they rummaged thru the house to find towels
Or did they know the layout of this house?
I still just wonder WHO would go to such great lengths to go so undetected as to hide him, haul her off, no dna left behind, that we know of...........
Someone they knew..........who might be detected so much quicker if suspected at all.....
All i know is someone didnt want their dna discovered
Thanks!
We're coming up on 5 years.
I'd still be sitting in SS office at 8:30 daily until about 5 pm, if someone murdered my parents.
This is the case that drew me to Websleuths.
My late parents, who were close in age to the D's, sat me down when I turned 30, went over their wills and specific plans for their funerals, including music, flowers, footstones, etc.
I find it hard to believe that the D's had no specific plans.
JMO
Agree. As earlier discussion pointed out, 5 days for a wellness check is just crazy when you have elderly parents. I speak to my mom, who is only 73, daily and if I don’t hear from her within 24 hours and I fail to reach her other ways and still no response, I have a neighbor go check on her.
Of course we don’t have the Dermonds phone records, that at least would indicate that one or more of the kids were calling on a regular basis, with increasing frequency perhaps as worry set in.
Life goes on, Dad was beheaded and Mom dumped in a lake, oh well, la-di-da.
Wonder if the Dermond kids are related to the Bob Harrod’s kids.
Is there a WS thread for Bob Harrod? (Couldn't find one?)RSBM
Wonder if the Dermond kids are related to the Bob Harrod’s kids.
Is there a WS thread for Bob Harrod? (Couldn't find one?)