GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 6

[Foxfire]

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are we now allowed to speculate about family or discuss them?? I'm confused, comments get deleted at times when it's in regards to Dermond's family

 

[Canaille]

Thank you! Guess I needed more coffee. Trying again:


IMO Sills & the FBI know HOW and WHERE the killer/s did this. They just don't know WHO and WHY.

So, I am going to direct my thoughts as to motive.
1. The Dermonds knew a secret
2. One of the family members knew a secret
3. Revenge from a past employee
4. Revenge from a current friend, neighbor, acquaintance
5. Burglary of their cash/possessions
6. Drugged up thrill kill
7. Psycho thrill kill
8. Money, paid to kill them
9. Family member in trouble & this was message to family member
10. Killer got the wrong address and wrong people
11. Mafia hit
12. Newaubian Cult> Retribution against Sheriff Sills/Justice System
13. Sadistic Psychopathic Sexual Predator/Ritual killer> Acting out Fantasy
14. Cartel hit

Please add to list if you wish.

BBM

I think it's the other way around. They know the WHO and WHY. IMO they are only missing a piece or two of the puzzle.

 

[Foxfire]

OT-Breaking

Forsyth GA Courthouse Shooting & Van Driven up to Courthouse Steps
One LEO shot & one person in custody, searching for more suspects..

Update; AJC 5 minutes ago - one suspect dead - Grenades involved - Firefight - One LEO injured

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/police-activity-around-forsyth-courthouse/ngFsZ/


http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/cumming/2014/06/06/shots-fired-forsyth-courthouse/10062865/

 

[Nuvolari]

It was my understanding a bridge club member said she picked Mrs. D up & drove her to bridge because she had a mobility problem.

Reference my prior post #238. Noteworthy is what Mrs. D's driver said about what happened on the Tuesday Mr D's body was found by the neighbor.

 

[Carolinapeach]

‘Plausible’ lead being checked, Sills says

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office is investigating a “plausible” lead in the Russell and Shirley Dermond murder case – but Sheriff Howard Sills said Friday morning the lead has a “big if” attached to it.
Sheriff’s officials were working on obtaining a court order in connection with that lead.

Sills said the phone call about the case was not made in response to the reward offered early this week. He would not discuss additional details.

......

Sills and sheriff’s detectives spent Friday in the state crime lab, he said, meeting “with at least eight different criminalists.”
He said they had a “long discussion about our forensic evidence – what they had done so far, what they could do, what they needed.”
“It was a productive meeting,” Sills said.

More at link:
http://www.msgr.com/news/crime/article_1ef3a3e2-ed8a-11e3-872c-001a4bcf887a.html

Fingers crossed!!!

 

[2Hope4]

Sounds like they might be closing in on a perp or perps. Just needing to dot the i, and cross the t. I believe they have a good theory, and are just awaiting the evidence that will seal a conviction. No need to rush to arrest if they are keeping an eye on their suspect(s).

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Adding one, thanks to Bootsctr.

IMO Sills & the FBI know HOW and WHERE the killer/s did this. They just don't know WHO and WHY.

So, I am going to direct my thoughts as to motive.
1. The Sills knew a secret
2. One of the family members knew a secret
3. Revenge from a past employee
4. Revenge from a current friend, neighbor, acquaintance
5. Burglary of their cash/possessions
6. Drugged up thrill kill
7. Psycho thrill kill
8. Money, paid to kill them
9. Family member in trouble & this was message to family member
10. Killer got the wrong address and wrong people
11. Mafia hit

Please add thoughts if you wish.

Ok I am going to add this as a possible motive.:floorlaugh: Please don't shoot me.:scared:

I keep thinking about certain things.

My grandmother lived in a retirement community until she passed away at the age of 95 and she often told me that I wouldn't believe the affairs going on there by those who had been married to the same person for 60-65 years. She said it was very common for men or women to flirt and make a pass toward someone else's spouse. She also said these people were in their late 70s or 80s. She even told me that one man in his 80s divorced his wife of 67 years and married his lover who was also in her 80s.

What I take away from this is even older people are still interested in sex and romance even at that age and can become very jealous and angry.

Then I think about how it seems he tried to set Shirley up specifically to take the fall for Russ' murder.

People that lived in the same GW community said neither Russ nor Shirley looked their age and everyone there thought they were in their sixties and couldn't believe their true age when they found out and that tends to make me think the Dermonds never discussed their true age with anyone.

So it makes me ponder if this was done out of spite, rage, and jealousy. Did someone make advances to Shirley and she shut him down in a nano second causing them to have seething rage toward her? Someone who thought she was in her 60s?

Its just total speculation of course but stranger things have happened. The elderly are not immune to killing others over a jealous rage. I have already mention the case where a 79 year old woman murdered her husband because she suspected he was having an affair. (which he wasn't btw)

I think most tend to think that people in their 60s,70s and 80s no longer even thinks about sex or ever gets jealous or angry over someone they may have an attraction to when that really isn't true.

I remember one time when my father in law was alive and in his early 80s. The man down the road was always bringing my mother in law eggs and vegetables and my father in law was convinced that this man was trying to make a move on my mother in law. Even though she was way older than the man giving her these things who was really just a very nice man. But my father in law was never convinced that was his true intentions and always felt his intentions were less than honorable. It was funny to all of us but he was dead serious.

IMO

 

[mck16]

:great::great: news :woot: Hoping and lease:lease:

 

[Carolinapeach]

Sounds like they might be closing in on a perp or perps. Just needing to dot the i, and cross the t. I believe they have a good theory, and are just awaiting the evidence that will seal a conviction. No need to rush to arrest if they are keeping an eye on their suspect(s).

I hope you're right and someone is very nervous right now. I'm getting my hopes up. lease:

 

[osu]

‘Plausible’ lead being checked, Sills says

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office is investigating a “plausible” lead in the Russell and Shirley Dermond murder case – but Sheriff Howard Sills said Friday morning the lead has a “big if” attached to it.
Sheriff’s officials were working on obtaining a court order in connection with that lead.

Sills said the phone call about the case was not made in response to the reward offered early this week. He would not discuss additional details.

......

Sills and sheriff’s detectives spent Friday in the state crime lab, he said, meeting “with at least eight different criminalists.”
He said they had a “long discussion about our forensic evidence – what they had done so far, what they could do, what they needed.”
“It was a productive meeting,” Sills said.

More at link:
http://www.msgr.com/news/crime/article_1ef3a3e2-ed8a-11e3-872c-001a4bcf887a.html

Fingers crossed!!!

From your link: BBM

The autopsy of Shirley Dermond determined the 87-year-old woman died from “blunt force trauma.” Sills said he still does not have 88-year-old Russell Dermond’s head, but added “I’ve said all along that the only reason to take that head was to conceal something.”

He said forensic evidence backs his belief in the theory, but he would not discuss what that evidence is.

Sills also said the department has not received much response to the offer of a $30,000 reward. He said he had not checked to see if additional donations had been made to the fund because he had been in Atlanta all day Thursday.

An expected donation of an additional $10,000 from the solicitor general’s victims’ assistance fund has not been paid because County Manager Paul Van Haute has requested an opinion from County Attorney Barry Fleming on whether that is an appropriate use of the money.

Van Haute said Friday he ask Fleming for the opinion Tuesday, adding “I don’t mind paying it. I just want to make sure” it can be used for a reward.

 

[Bootsctr]

Anybody hear sirens?

 

[Carolinapeach]

Anybody hear sirens?

Is it wrong for me to hope the news media just happens to be there when/if an arrest is made? :jail:

 

[jggordo]

‘Plausible’ lead being checked, Sills says

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office is investigating a “plausible” lead in the Russell and Shirley Dermond murder case – but Sheriff Howard Sills said Friday morning the lead has a “big if” attached to it.
Sheriff’s officials were working on obtaining a court order in connection with that lead.

Sills said the phone call about the case was not made in response to the reward offered early this week. He would not discuss additional details.

......

Sills and sheriff’s detectives spent Friday in the state crime lab, he said, meeting “with at least eight different criminalists.”
He said they had a “long discussion about our forensic evidence – what they had done so far, what they could do, what they needed.”
“It was a productive meeting,” Sills said.

More at link:
http://www.msgr.com/news/crime/article_1ef3a3e2-ed8a-11e3-872c-001a4bcf887a.html

Fingers crossed!!!

There seems to be a pay wall to this link. Are there any other links that are not pay wall?

TIA

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I hope you're right and someone is very nervous right now. I'm getting my hopes up. lease:

This has to mean he is obtaining a SW on someone's home I would think.

Oh Lord please let this be what they need to bring justice to Shirley and Russ.

Everyone please keep your fingers crossed and if you believe in prayer then please pray this is what Sills' needs to break this case wide open.

Imo, the SW is going to be served on a home in Putnam County.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

There seems to be a pay wall to this link. Are there any other links that are not pay wall?

TIA

I don't think you have to pay jggordo. I think you just have to sign up.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Anybody hear sirens?

Sirens? I don't think they will use sirens but they sure are going to cover up the place in police cars whereever they are obtaining the SW for.

Have we heard anything out of Mark Winne this morning? He really has been chosen by Sills as the one he trust more to talk with.

I think I will check out WSBTVs site on FB.

 

[Foxfire]

OT-Breaking

Update:

WSB TV 2 Atlanta;

FC Sheriff - 'Full Frontal Assaultat FC Courthouse'

Suspect dead, belonged to a national org that has committed similar crimes across the nation-had hearing scheduled later today-bullet proof vest/auto weapon/gas face mask/smoke grenades/spike strips..
Suspect name; Dennis Marks(spelling)

RE: Forsyth GA Courthouse Shooting & Van Driven up to Courthouse Steps
One LEO shot & one person in custody, searching for more suspects..

Update; AJC 5 minutes ago - one suspect dead - Grenades involved - Firefight - One LEO injured

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/police-activity-around-forsyth-courthouse/ngFsZ/


http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/cumming/2014/06/06/shots-fired-forsyth-courthouse/10062865/

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/deputy-shot-forsyth-co-courthouse/ngFsf/

 

[Solitaryone]

I so hope that today gives Sheriff Sills the break he needs to make an arrest! If so, I wonder if we'll hear of an arrest today or over the weekend? It's so sad that today Mr. Dermond would have been 89, but was murdered along with Mrs. Dermond in such a hideous way. Wouldn't it be something if there is an arrest today on Mr. Dermond's birthday?

 

[Carolinapeach]

Sirens? I don't think they will use sirens but they sure are going to cover up the place in police cars whereever they are obtaining the SW for.

Have we heard anything out of Mark Winne this morning? He really has been chosen by Sills as the one he trust more to talk with.

I think I will check out WSBTVs site on FB.

I read earlier he is in Forsyth covering the courthouse shooting...

 

[Foxfire]

Sirens? I don't think they will use sirens but they sure are going to cover up the place in police cars whereever they are obtaining the SW for.

Have we heard anything out of Mark Winne this morning? He really has been chosen by Sills as the one he trust more to talk with.

I think I will check out WSBTVs site on FB.

Mark Winne WSB TV 2 is on the scene in Cumming; Forsyth County, GA along with 8 other news correspondents & TV 2 news camera crews.

FC Sheriff's Press Conference now; (WSB TV2)

Forsyth County, Cumming, GA Courthouse - Full Frontal Assault;

Dead Suspect's Name; Dennis Marx
Active investigation GBI on the scene
Suspect had flex ties and other restraining devices & items mentioned in prior post.. Planned to take hostages..
Searching suspects Cumming, GA home for explosives(GBI & FCSO)
Soverign cititizen type? Sheriff refused to elaborate at this time..
Suspect had filed Federal Suit against Forsyth Co., GA - Hearing was scheduled at FC Courthouse later today..