Gas Cans discovered by George Key date - June 24, 2008 ***REVISITED ***

[AZlawyer]

Hello WS

(Quote Respect Amy)




ITA this is confusing. I do not have an answer but I wanted to post a part of the GVS interview that speaks of the shovel and the shed.

GVS: Does Casey say she borrowed a shovel from a neighbor?
CA: Yes
GVS: And what did she say her purpose of borrowing a shovel...
CA: To look for the bamboo.
GVS: So to remove the bamboo, which grows very...
CA: Rapidly
GVS: ...aggressively
CA: Right. It does, and if we don't keep track of it-if I don't get rid of that today, I'll have other shoots coming into the rest of the yard.(notice we are not talking about Casey anymore: if I don't get rid, I'll have other shoots...)
(skip)
(paraphrase: George is confused re: gas can date. Which is why we are confused.)
GVS: Alright. So best you can tell, it happened between the 22nd and the 24th. Someone broke in there.
GA: Uh-huh, that's when I saw my daughter. I was getting ready to go to work, and the garage door goes open and my daughter comes in...

I am thinking: the shovel and gas can day is different because Casey would not have had to or been able to borrow the shovel on gas can day because George was there. Plus we know no one was home, the neighbor said so. George is the one who(I think) keeps on bringing us to the 24th as gas can day.

Then we have "chase day" which seems to fit in after seeing her on gas can day because George said he saw her leave the house and had enough and decided to chase her but lost her. On gas can day she said, "here are your f-ing gas cans" and the way that went down it does not sound like he chased her that day, although in none of the statements about that encounter do we hear anything after he got the cans from her. Did she just jump in the car and take off? Were there words exchanged? George never tells, not even LA: or Lee lies to LE by not giving that information.

I do not know what WSers found out about the E-pass records for that day. Did we find out what day George chased Casey? Is it the same as gas can day or another?

IIRC LE has established that "the body was dumped soon after death"(paraphrased) which fits into the timeline Amy has above of BB stating 6/18 6/19 as shovel day.

I still do not totally understand but with the shovel and bamboo, CA's excuse was just that: an excuse. She was not giving any true information re: Casey and her whereabouts or habits. She had heard and had been questioned about why Casey would have had to borrow a shovel from the neighbor when she should have been out of the area: Cindy heard, "why would Casey borrow a shovel..." and nothing else and just came up with why SHE(CA) would need a shovel: to dig up bamboo.

LA states that his dad had to buy those little locks to put on the shed, that they never had to have locks on there before. So, if Casey had to break in to get the cans, something must have happened before that day because George already had put a lock on the shed. And, there had to be a lock as early as 6/18 if the neighbor is correct because she couldn't get in the shed so she had to borrow the shovel. I guess the reason she didn't break in there that day was because she got what she needed: the shovel.

And on the day she stole the gas cans she must have already known there was a lock on the shed. Maybe that is why she called Tony to help her. LA seems to describe the locks as "little" and I have no idea how difficult it would be for someone to break such a lock. Anyone? Would Casey had needed or thought she needed help to break it?

So, what got stolen from the shed, or what reason did they start putting locks on the shed? I have the interview with LA where he is talking about this but I can not find the notebook I have it transcribed in-which is crazy it should be right here. It has temporarily left our time/space. But, IIRC LA laughs about them having to put locks on when they never did that before. And, if my mind is making sense to day: that has to be true because Casey went to the house to get a shovel(for whatever reason, even for bamboo digging), but she must have expected to be able to get into the shed?

I thought maybe they had locks because of Caylee, but that is not how LA makes it sound. You would think he would say something like that: but since Caylee dad put locks on the shed...but in the interview they are speaking about Casey stealing from the shed the gas cans and how George knew it was her all along and that he had set a trap for Casey.

So, I do not have any strong feelings about any connection to something happening in the shed prior to 6/18 giving any insight or answers other than how untrustworthy the Anthonys thought or Casey was. It just seems like this fits in with Amy's quote that George was saying: Again.

...jmo...:waitasec:

Gas can theft day is definitely June 23.
Gas can confrontation between Casey & George day is definitely June 24.

The neighbor said in his interview with LE that Casey told him she needed the shovel for a bamboo shoot, so this is not something Cindy invented later.

I just checked the Epass records again earlier today. George's testimony was very specific about the exact route taken and streets passed, which would have resulted in Epass tolls for Conway, Pine Hills and Hiawassee in that order. There is no date in June or July (the only months for which we have records) that George and Cindy's cars both followed that route. And EVEN IF we adopt BJB's proposal that Casey was not driving Cindy's car but Tony's similar-looking car (although George said he specifically remembered Cindy's big panda sticker in the back), there is no date that George followed that route before July 15 except Saturday July 5. (There was discussion about June 29 being the date, but the route taken by George that day was the opposite direction down the 408.) But the July 5 route taken by George continues on up to the area of Cindy's parents' residences (past the Forest Lake toll), and he doesn't return past the Forest Lake toll for 2 hours and 45 minutes, which sounds more like a visit to the parents than a quick chase-of-Casey-and-turn-around-back-home. And Casey's pings don't indicate that her cell phone was in that area at the time.

So I think Cindy may be right that this chase was months earlier, which means (1) George was sick of some Casey crap BEFORE June, and (2) George's memory on dates and order of events is suspect (including his "memory" of 12:50 pm on June 16).

 

[mitzi]

mmhhhhmmmm

hello mitzi

Hey robotdog! Are you thinking that Caylee's body may have been in the shed at one time? I wonder if the cadaver dogs got a sniff inside the shed?

 

[robotdog]

Hey robotdog! Are you thinking that Caylee may have been in the shed at one time? I wonder if the cadaver dogs got a sniff inside the shed?

yes, i think that is a possibility. i think she would have put her in there for just a short period of time.

lots of possibilities

 

[mitzi]

yes, i think that is a possibility. i think she would have put her in there for just a short period of time.

lots of possibilities

So if KC (with TonE's assistance), broke into the shed on the 23rd, because "daddy" had changed the locks, did KC take the gas cans to throw off TonE, and then return the next day, the 24th, to retrieve Caylee, at which time she ended up running into GA and tossed the gas cans back at him, along with an F-bomb? And maybe at that time, GA DID see Caylee in the trunk.

 

[robotdog]

So if KC (with TonE's assistance), broke into the shed because "daddy" had changed the locks, did KC take the gas cans to throw off TonE, and then return the next day to retrieve Caylee, when she ended up running into GA and tossing the cans back at him? And maybe at that time, GA DID see Caylee in the trunk.

thats a good one

there are several possibilities

maybe she wanted to get TonE's prints on the shed, or things in the shed

heck, nothing surprises me with her

 

[robotdog]

or, the day that she MURDERED her daughter (which i think happened at home) and since she needed some time to think of what to do about the whole situation - she needed a temporary place ( even if for only a few hours ) to HATCH a plan

put the baby in the shed, cover her up with a tarp or other items
lawn chairs, bags, blankets, trash cans, etc etc etc

while she skeeeeeeeeeems up a plan

 

[Dear Prudence]

I would think the cadaver dogs would have hit on the shed if Caylee had been in there at some point. The dogs only hit on two spots in the backyard and the trunk of the car, right? The backyard spots still have me wondering how this whole thing happened. I truly believe Casey murdered Caylee, but I just can't figure out how the backyard was involved. Anyway, I think the gas cans are a red herring. I could be wrong but this is my theory.

Here’s what I think of the stolen gas cans:
I don’t think the theft of the gas cans by Casey from the shed has anything to do with the murder of Caylee. She needed the gas, had no money, and stole them. Probably had done it before and would do it again if she weren’t locked up in jail.

Cindy and George made the gas can theft seem so suspicious in their numerous interviews because they felt guilty about the situation. George reports it to the police, then feels like an idiot when he finds out his own daughter broke the shed lock and stole from him. Cindy talked to Casey and found out she did it, then was going to smooth things over with George but was too late, he already called the police. Cindy never does tell George that she knew it was Casey all along. Maybe George never told Cindy he found the cans in Casey’s trunk because he was embarrassed about calling the police.

Then all heck breaks loose on July 15, 2008 and Cindy and George start doing their television appearances and the truth comes out to the public and each other, so they both cover for each other and for Casey’s theft. It would look bad if a married couple didn’t share such things with each other, you know. I think the theft of the gas cans is no big deal, but I find it completely ironic and satisfying that the duct tape on one of the gas cans is a huge piece of evidence that is going to send Casey to the death chamber.

 

[robotdog]

yes, i think we were told the dogs hit on the yard only but we dont know everything,,, maybe i dont know

also, shed can be notorious for having lots of stuff in them that could throw
dog scent off

oil, gasoline, bug spray, garden soil, fertilizer and other chemicals often stored in sheds... nightmare for dogs

I would think the cadaver dogs would have hit on the shed if Caylee had been in there at some point. The dogs only hit on two spots in the backyard and the trunk of the car, right? The backyard spots still have me wondering how this whole thing happened. I truly believe Casey murdered Caylee, but I just can't figure out how the backyard was involved. Anyway, I think the gas cans are a red herring. I could be wrong but this is my theory.

Here’s what I think of the stolen gas cans:
I don’t think the theft of the gas cans by Casey from the shed has anything to do with the murder of Caylee. She needed the gas, had no money, and stole them. Probably had done it before and would do it again if she weren’t locked up in jail.

Cindy and George made the gas can theft seem so suspicious in their numerous interviews because they felt guilty about the situation. George reports it to the police, then feels like an idiot when he finds out his own daughter broke the shed lock and stole from him. Cindy talked to Casey and found out she did it, then was going to smooth things over with George but was too late, he already called the police. Cindy never does tell George that she knew it was Casey all along. Maybe George never told Cindy he found the cans in Casey’s trunk because he was embarrassed about calling the police.

Then all heck breaks loose on July 15, 2008 and Cindy and George start doing their television appearances and the truth comes out to the public and each other, so they both cover for each other and for Casey’s theft. It would look bad if a married couple didn’t share such things with each other, you know. I think the theft of the gas cans is no big deal, but I find it completely ironic and satisfying that the duct tape on one of the gas cans is a huge piece of evidence that is going to send Casey to the death chamber.

 

[MAMABEAR]

OK---ya'll have my attention now. This gas can thang has 19 pages and it is finally goin places. Maybe baby was in shed and GA found her.

 

[robotdog]

OK---ya'll have my attention now. This gas can thang has 19 pages and it is finally goin places. Maybe baby was in shed and GA found her.

i know its a little out there.. but thats what i think happened

 

[robotdog]

george always knew what happened

he drove the damn car home that smelled terrible

he knew

he always knew

 

[metalcrystal]

george always knew what happened

he drove the damn car home that smelled terrible

he knew

he always knew

He is a guy who knows a lot of things........

This is a great theory, makes so much sense. I always wondered why the A's keep yammering about gas cans that Casey had stolen .......

 

[metalcrystal]

One more thing, GA would have had to be the worst LE officer in the universe to not know what was going on, the absolute worst and stupidest.

 

[camcneishg]

I posted this on the backyard thread, but since you are all talking about the shed, I will add it here. Look at that handle on that shed....how do you put a "LOCK" on it?? Looks like it is the kind of handle that you flip down to open/close the door, I do not see any place for a lock, only a key.....

 

[robotdog]

One more thing, GA would have had to be the worst LE officer in the universe to not know what was going on, the absolute worst and stupidest.

EXACTLY

he knew

he always knew

 

[YellowSubmarine]

george always knew what happened

he drove the damn car home that smelled terrible

he knew

he always knew

That would certainly explain why George was able to go back to work after finding his daughters death smelling car and not knowing where the two of them were :waitasec:

 

[BionicSurfer]

I'm 100 percent on board with the theory that GA may have locked the shed to keep someone (ahem, KC) from leaving something IN the shed. I'm convinced he knew more than he wants everyone to believe. His attempt to keep her out of the shed may have been a defensive move on his part. Even if it wasn't intended to keep her from placing Caylee's body out (gosh, I can barely type that let alone imagine that he admitted to himself that was possible). Possibly he wanted to prevent her from planting evidence there that would implicate mommy and daddy dearest?
I think you are all on to something here. It's so hard to make my mind think like the A's.

 

[CrankyPants]

I can't believe the incongruity of GA reporting the theft of the gas cans (and KC--because I believe he knew she took them) to police while not having reported other things KC had done in the past never occurred to me until reading this thread....DUH!

One question, tho: I've seen mention on a few posts about LE having been called out to the A home several times in the past. Do we have links/details to this info? I'm curious as to who made those calls and why.

 

[robotdog]

he knew,

the man is torn between implicating his daughter with the murder of his grandaughter

understandably - a difficult position to be thrown into
but his logic is flawed

he will have lost them both when all is said and done

they have so much evidence against her its silly

and with him not giving justice to the real victim here he has lost all respect from anyone..

on a related subject - IF the shed was simply locked because he wanted to keep his liar thief daughter from stealing his gas....
HOLY HIPPOPOTAMUS

george george, you had bigger fish to fry

you dont put a band aid on a blood gushing wound.... man

what most parents do is teach their children NOT to steal and if they need
reminding.... then you REMIND them with consequences

there was so much sugar coating going on in that house it amazes me
that it there last name wasnt FRUCTOSE

Geeeeeeeeeeeeesssh

 

[cloud9]

Hey robotdog! Are you thinking that Caylee's body may have been in the shed at one time? I wonder if the cadaver dogs got a sniff inside the shed?

I wonder if this might be why photo #49 is in with these evidence photos?

(shed in back)


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