General Discussion Thread #4

[shane13]

If he bashed her head in with the bat (which we have learned did not happen, but hypothetically) , an excuse probably would not work.

OK then going along with your hypothetically speaking.

His actions either in shooting Reeva--after presumably assaulting her in some fashion, necessitating in his mind the shooting--were thought up in a panic or such and maybe he did not have too many options at that point?

He's done pretty good so far with his affidavit, no?

 

[natsound]

OK then going along with your hypothetically speaking.

His actions either in shooting Reeva--after presumably assaulting her in some fashion, necessitating in his mind the shooting--were thought up in a panic or such and maybe he did not have too many options at that point?

He's done pretty good so far with his affidavit, no?

What I'm saying is, if he bashed her head in, he can't lie and say he didn't. It would be obvious. The bat is lying there. I don't think you can shoot away a beating with a bat.

 

[Carol70]

Ok...I'm abit confused as I see my posts with the segments of the YOU mag have been deleted?? Did I do something wrong? I'd appreciate it if a mod explained before I go though the effort of scanning the article?

 

[shane13]

What I'm saying is, if he bashed her head in, he can't lie and say he didn't. It would be obvious. The bat is lying there. I don't think you can shoot away a beating with a bat.

And what I am saying is it started out probably in rage, and ended up in a cover-up frenzy. So obviously it isn’t gonna be brilliant and logical per se.

And will probably all collapse at trial. Of course he did get bail, and now is allowed to leave the country. And so maybe the alibis, cover-ups and affi may all be moot. All served their purpose at the time.

 

[shane13]

Ok...I'm abit confused as I see my posts with the segments of the YOU mag have been deleted?? Did I do something wrong? I'd appreciate it if a mod explained before I go though the effort of scanning the article?

Probably copyright issue. And it is the proper thing to do--not to scan in copyrighted material.

So please let us not post any more copyrighted material. I beleive you can summarize the article in your own words.

So if you read it, please tell us the new points, in your own words Carol.

Thanks.

 

[shane13]

OT.

Speaking of blood spatter patterns. Did any of you catch the new Hannibal TV series?

The 2nd ep last Thursday was really good.

But the opening credits start with showing blood spatters and having them coalesce into the face of Dr. Lector.

Series occurs in the interval when Graham worked with Dr. Lector on catching killers. Mads Mikkleson plays Dr HL. He's avery good actor IMO, but English is not his 1st language one can tell...

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

Did you notice something ? Some of us here believe that OP altered the crime scene
and made the affi according to an intruder story. But Revaa 's phone found in the bathroom just doesn't suit to an intruder scene ? and is not on behalf of OP. So OP could very well take that phone from there and put it in the bedroom and no question would be on it .........unless there was blood on it (!)
I wonder if the phone with the blood on it is Reeva's ....? BTW I tend to believe that
the unused phone of OP was put there by OP to only be given to the police as if he made the calls near Reeva from that phone.

Just my opinions.

 

[Kimster]

Please do not scan and copy magazine articles in your posts, unless you can provide evidence that you have permission from the owner of the copyright. :tyou:

 

[shane13]

Did you notice something ? Some of us here believe that OP altered the crime scene
and made the affi according to an intruder story. But Revaa 's phone found in the bathroom just doesn't suit to an intruder scene ? and is not on behalf of OP. So OP could very well take that phone from there and put it in the bedroom and no question would be on it .........unless there was blood on it (!)
I wonder if the phone with the blood on it is Reeva's ....? BTW I tend to believe that
the unused phone of OP was put there by OP to only be given to the police as if he made the calls near Reeva from that phone.

Just my opinions.

Very logical.

 

[whiterum]

Did you notice something ? Some of us here believe that OP altered the crime scene
and made the affi according to an intruder story. But Revaa 's phone found in the bathroom just doesn't suit to an intruder scene ? and is not on behalf of OP. So OP could very well take that phone from there and put it in the bedroom and no question would be on it .........unless there was blood on it (!)
I wonder if the phone with the blood on it is Reeva's ....? BTW I tend to believe that
the unused phone of OP was put there by OP to only be given to the police as if he made the calls near Reeva from that phone.

Just my opinions.

Very good points MURDERER_ SERVANT.

 

[whiterum]

Regarding the bat in OP's affidavit. If it does not actually say something you cannot assume it happened by implication only.

Notice he does not actually say he bashed the door with the bat but does imply it

He says ' I put on my prosthetic legs ran back to the bathroom and tried to kick the toilet door open' then 'I went back to the bedroom and grabbed my cricket bat to bash open the toilet door'.

He does not say he ran back to the bathroom and bashed the door with the bat.

Next he says 'A panel or panels broke off and I found the key on the floor' Doesn't elaborate as to how those panels broke off, did not say I bashed the door and they fell off.

Was it by the earlier kicking of the door or hitting the door with the bat that caused the panels to break off. So whilst the bashing of the door with the bat is certainly implied by what he said along with the presence of a cricket bat in the bathroom crime-scene but it can still be open for interpretation

He also does not elaborate if the panels falling off and finding the key on the floor are connected but we assume that also. Where on the floor did he find the key we assume inside the toilet. We assume that but he has not actually said it.

So what seems to mean one thing could actually be deliberately deceiving and could point to a number of different meanings.

More confusion LOL.

 

[sorrell skye]

While reviewing videos, I came across these statements from Reeva's closest friend, GM (from "Oscar Pistorius: What Really Happened").

@ 10:21 in the video: "Through the years, it was every single night I'd get a message from her saying 'Night-night G I love you.' Every single night."

@ 22:09 in the video (referring to the night of Feb 13): "That was actually the first night in awhile we hadn't said 'Good night I love you'."



Oscar Pistorius What Really Happened - YouTube

Last week or so, a poster here said that Reeva's text message @ 10:30 p.m. on Feb 13 to CM (GM's dad & Reeva's Joburg Dad) informing them she was tired & would be staying the night @ OP's indicated something was amiss much earlier than has been widely reported, because it was out of character from her usual upbeat messages.

At the time, I didn't agree because I didn't have a statement from someone close to Reeva to support that hypothesis. Based on GM's statements in the above video, I now agree. I believe something was definitely amiss as early (or earlier) as 10:30 that night.

Couple this with the media report of a neighbor/witness who heard loud arguing (if true) as early as 8:00 p.m. (IIRC), then it appears the conflict began much earlier than the 2:00-3:00 a.m. arguing/shouting/screaming reported by another neighbor/witness.

 

[Feynman]

quote excerpted for brevity:

Furthermore how does a paraplegic with a shoulder injury so bad it was claimed by Roux to have required a "medical patch" that night, carry her downstairs while she is bleeding out?

I don't recall the defense claiming the shoulder injury was "bad"; a medical patch, which can be bought at any chain drugstore, is not indication of anything serious. It could be a minor strain that a world class athlete wants to avoid straining further. In the wake of the horrible events of that night, I can see someone of OP's strength, even with a very bad shoulder, with the adrenaline pumping, able to carry her downstairs and all that.

PS: OP is not a paraplegic.

 

[sorrell skye]

Furthermore how does a paraplegic with a shoulder injury so bad it was claimed by Roux to have required a "medical patch" that night, carry her downstairs while she is bleeding out?

BBM/SBM

OP is a double below-the-knee amputee, not a paraplegic.

 

[sorrell skye]

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2012/07/16/pagesix/web_photos/oscar_pistorius--300x300.jpg

Since Nike has suspended their sponsorship of OP, if he wants to resume training & possibly compete (which has been reported is a possibility), I wonder who will be providing his running blades (not to mention who will pay for training, travel expenses, meet fees, etc.)? I don't think he can wear the Nike blades, under the circumstances, if he competes.

 

[sorrell skye]

Good post, MS.

I am not "expert" on the phones aspect though.

I do recall that at least one phone is said to have had blood and brain matter on it.

But do you or anyone have a link on the alleged call to Netcare on one of the phones. Allegedly I guess not one that the cops took that night?

BBM

This is what I remember reading:

One of the phones found in the bathroom had blood on it.

The bullet found in the toilet bowl by OP's defense team was reported to have brain tissue on it.

 

[whiterum]

quote excerpted for brevity:

I don't recall the defense claiming the shoulder injury was "bad"; a medical patch, which can be bought at any chain drugstore, is not indication of anything serious. It could be a minor strain that a world class athlete wants to avoid straining further. In the wake of the horrible events of that night, I can see someone of OP's strength, even with a very bad shoulder, with the adrenaline pumping, able to carry her downstairs and all that.

PS: OP is not a paraplegic.

Seems it was bad enough to impair him from sleeping on the right side of the bed, his usual side on that one particular night Reeva was killed

 

[sorrell skye]

Seems it was bad enough to impair him from sleeping on the right side of the bed, his usual side on that one particular night Reeva was killed

I was thinking the same thing, whiterum.

If his alleged shoulder injury was painful enough for him to claim he slept on the opposite side of the bed than he usually slept, then it must have been more than a minor strain/sprain.

IMO, I don't believe he had any shoulder injury. I don't believe either of them ever went to bed that night, if media reports of witnesses who heard arguing are accurate.

I also don't believe OP had a usual side of the bed he slept on, since he was a bachelor & could sprawl across the bed when sleeping alone (as was explained by another poster who made great sense).

I must keep in mind that OP's Defense team are the ones who introduced the alleged shoulder injury. Based on who the info is coming from, I take it with a grain or two of salt, since it's their job to create reasonable doubt regarding the charges.

I believe the alleged shoulder injury was introduced in an effort to explain why OP's gun holster was found on the same side of the bed as Reeva's overnight bag & slippers - they claim OP switched which side of the bed he slept on.

 

[Carol70]

Furthermore how does a paraplegic with a shoulder injury so bad it was claimed by Roux to have required a "medical patch" that night, carry her downstairs while she is bleeding out?

Shane, naughty boy...you know very well he was not a paraplegic!

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

Seems it was bad enough to impair him from sleeping on the right side of the bed, his usual side on that one particular night Reeva was killed

I agree Whiterum on that particular night which we are to
believe aaaaalll of that,

*that was the one single night OP switched his side in the bed
*that OP and RS got up at the very same minute
*that he happened to take a fan from the balcony
*that it was pitch dark
*that, he didn't see RS was not in the bed
*that RS sleeps with her outwears
*that his 3 shots hit a silence target behind a door
*that he didn't ask' Reeva is that you' and she didnt say ' its me'
*that, all the witnesses lie
*that, RS didn't scream, shout, even moan after 1st,2nd,3rd shots

.......... list goes on.... we have to believe aaaaaall of that happened on that particular night.....

just my opinions