General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[TrialAddict]

Maybe Ron told Misty to give her something that would make her sleep? Misty may have given her too much, went in and found Haleigh dead. Misty may have called Ron told him what happen and the cover up went from there. Ron may have called Tommy to go over and help get get rid of Haleigh, but Tommy couldn't do it so he called Joe to come help Misty. Tommy may have stayed at the MH with Jr while they were gone.

Ron may have been scared he would lose Jr when they found out how Haleigh died. Ron could have threaten Tommy and Joe so they would not tell what happen. Tommy may have thought or was told Misty would go down too, because she gave Haleigh the med.

All just my own opinion of course.

 

[Whisperer]

If misty knew her mom and dad weren't home, she would be over there in no time. She may have dialed up WBG and partied with him for awhile...don't know. She may have spent some time there with JO...or Tommy in the empty house. She may have told rc she was NOT going to watch the kids Monday night. It was JO's last night in town, they would want to party..no doubt.

Just can't see her spendng the day with rc the way she said she did. Why would she tell tn she would babysit if it was ok with rc. Sounds like rc did not have misty locked in that day to watch the kids. At what point was TN notified and why did she defer to misty? Tn also had to call her mother over to check on the kids..so that tells me TN was NOT available to handle the situation.

1. Ron tells us misty was at home and he kissed her goodbye (lie imo).
2. Tn tells us she was begging for misty to babysit
3. misty says she will babysit for free if it is ok with rc.

What exactly was TN doing by having to bribe misty to watch the kids. There's a story here.
Many stories keep changing and have conflict revolving around tn, misty, rc.

 

[Donjeta]

If misty knew her mom and dad weren't home, she would be over there in no time. She may have dialed up WBG and partied with him for awhile...don't know. She may have spent some time there with JO...or Tommy in the empty house. She may have told rc she was NOT going to watch the kids Monday night. It was JO's last night in town, they would want to party..no doubt.

Just can't see her spendng the day with rc the way she said she did. Why would she tell tn she would babysit if it was ok with rc. Sounds like rc did not have misty locked in that day to watch the kids. At what point was TN notified and why did she defer to misty? Tn also had to call her mother over to check on the kids..so that tells me TN was NOT available to handle the situation.

1. Ron tells us misty was at home and he kissed her goodbye (lie imo).
2. Tn tells us she was begging for misty to babysit
3. misty says she will babysit for free if it is ok with rc.

What exactly was TN doing by having to bribe misty to watch the kids. There's a story here.
Many stories keep changing and have conflict revolving around tn, misty, rc.

BBM. If she spent her day somewhere else doing something else it would explain why her account of the day in the hypnosis session was so sketchy. She mentioned taking Haleigh to school and sleeping until noon and was unable to name any other specific thing they did until it was time for Ronald to get Haleigh off the schoolbus. It was always a bit hinky to me. Where could she have been and why couldn't she have said it?

 

[Donjeta]

Ta dah! Here's a new one: the HDI theory (Hope did it). Not my theory, it's courtesy of a caller on the Nancy Grace show. I just wanted to post it because it's one I've never seen before.

GRACE: Back to the lines, Lisa in Tennessee. Hi, Lisa.

LISA, CALLER FROM TENNESSEE: Hello.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

LISA: Yes. Misty. Do you think it`s possible that she was so jealous of Haleigh that she wanted to be with Ronald Cummings and wanted Misty out of the picture?

GRACE: Excellent question. What about it, Dr. Saunders?

SAUNDERS: That makes an awful lot of sense. This is a person who`s impulsive when they`re not on drugs and you can only imagine how she behaves when she`s on drugs. She might have hated this little girl and just wanted her out of the way, so did something.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/27/ng.01.html

They're talking about Hope here. The TH is Dr. Patricia Saunders, a clinical psychologist from NY. Hope's unwise behavior on that jailhouse call sure made her a target of much unpleasant speculation. But if Hope wanted to be with Ronald wouldn't it have made more sense to kill Misty?

 

[bessie]

Ta dah! Here's a new one: the HDI theory (Hope did it). Not my theory, it's courtesy of a caller on the Nancy Grace show. I just wanted to post it because it's one I've never seen before.



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/27/ng.01.html

They're talking about Hope here. The TH is Dr. Patricia Saunders, a clinical psychologist from NY. Hope's unwise behavior on that jailhouse call sure made her a target of much unpleasant speculation. But if Hope wanted to be with Ronald wouldn't it have made more sense to kill Misty?

Have mercy! I wonder if caller Lisa's last name begins with a C. :crazy:

 

[Donjeta]

Re-reading it, I may have jumped the gun and misinterpreted the caller because they had been talking about Hope previously and the caller says "wanted Misty out of the way". But she introduces her topic with "yes, Misty" so maybe she wanted to change the topic and misspoke and meant Misty wanted Haleigh out of the way. Dunno.

 

[Whisperer]

How the heck do we know who to believe? Even the witnesses tell a third story.

1. misty says she walked Haleigh into the classroom.
2. ron says he sent Haleigh to school on the bus and drove her there.
3. Witness says rc almost ran them over at the bus stop and did not stop and drove past the bus stop.

......and the entire goes the same way.

 

[Donjeta]

How the heck do we know who to believe? Even the witnesses tell a third story.

1. misty says she walked Haleigh into the classroom.
2. ron says he sent Haleigh to school on the bus and drove her there.
3. Witness says rc almost ran them over at the bus stop and did not stop and drove past the bus stop.

......and the entire goes the same way.

Could these stories be reconciled supposing that RC dropped Misty and Haleigh off at the bus stop but the one close to the school instead of the one close to their home? He said "I dropped her off at the bus stop" or words to that effect on one of the tapes and it's a bit vague as to the geography.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Sheriff Hardy although he wouldn't name them said he had "several" POI's.

A guiltier bunch, I've never seen. To whom to point the fingers? There's an old saying, when we point at someone, there are fingers pointing back at us, too. Not in this case. I need all my fingers to point at the POIs. Not only is there a missing/murdered child, but we've got cover-up after cover-up going on. Drug addled families, enabling, drug trafficking, concealment, child endangerment, unsavory lifestyles, sex, guns, rats......on and on. Not only did these people do drugs around the children, but they smoked like chimneys exposing asthmatic Haleigh, and R Jr, endangering their health. The children's father thought more of his carnal desires than the welfare of his children, shacking up with an underage teen, and allowing her to be the main caretaker for his young children, especially after her weekend binge of wild sex and drugs!

So with that in mind, I point fingers at everyone named Croslin, Cummings, Sykes, Neves, any other surnames that group may carry. The fault lies in each and every one of them, but most of all, it lies at the feet of the father of those two innocent children.

I have several theories on what happened to Haliegh, probably because all of them (and others) are so possible and believable because of the lifestyle of the cast of characters.

1) Ronald lost his temper, hit her or beat her, and she died before he went to werk. Cover-up plan set into motion. This man is violent, I wouldn't put anything passed him.

2) Misty and/or Ronald drugged her on a regular basis to get her out of the way, calm her down, make her sleep. She died from the build up of chemicals or she died because she was given too much that evening. I don't think they drugged her with their precious stash, though. We've all seen how RC doesn't like to share (drug bust video).

3) Misty killed her, or prostituted her for drugs or drug money, or for the hell of it. She allowed so many people into that home, anyone could have hurt the child. Yes, I fully blame Misty if anyone else took Haleigh. Anyone!

I haven't ruled out other theories: sexual abuse in some form, stranger/familial abduction when Misty wasn't there or otherwise occupied, whatever. The thing is, I can see any and all of these things happening in that terrible environment.

The missing piece of the puzzle is always the same: What about Junior? What was he doing when this happened to Haleigh? Why doesn't he know? What was happening to him? Drugs? Blackouts? I would assume he would have been tested for drugs, but maybe not if they thought it truly was a stranger abduction? Baffling d*mn case.

 

[GER]

What I've always wondered about is this;
A witness said that RC almost ran over his kids and himself at the bus stop...
RC said that he'd gotten up late and was rushing HaLeigh to school...or something to that effect...
IF RC was running late to get HaLeigh to school on time, WHY didn't he just stop at the bus stop and drop HaLeigh off? The other kids were there, so the bus hadn't come yet.
When each new school year begins, your child is assigned a bus stop to get on and a specific bus/driver. You're not going to get your child on the bus at another stop. They just don't allow it...just as the bus driver isn't going to let a child off at any other stop but the one that they're assigned to, UNLESS a note from parent requesting it, such as, in an example; Please allow my child to ride bus # and get off at her great grandmother's at Oak and Fourth in Welaka.

 

[GER]

What 4 year old sleeps most of the day, as I've heard earlier on that is what JR. did while HaLeigh was in school and NOT be up all night? It's just not plausible to me. Where was JR.? Couldn't have been a 'natural' sleep, IMO, that night...or not even there in the home? Doesn't add up to me...not at all.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I have to say what set my mind to Ronald and Misty being involved was the day of that big event. Under the tent I can't remember what it is for but all of the investigators were there and standing under the awning and Crystal stood up and tried to talk and could barely get anything out except sobs. Sheriff Harding having a difficult time composing himself he looked like he was going to cry. Yet when Ronald spoke Harding was staring straight into the back of Ron's head. Resolute is the way I read that. A picture is worth a million words. I can't let that picture go.

This is why I keep looking at RC and Misty. Nothing either of them have done since the beginning have made sense. I know everyone reacts differently but he reacts tooooo differently. The benefit of the doubt just doesn't work for him. While I have many scenarios, he's always climbed to the top of my theory list. I'll have to see if I can find video of that event you mentioned, thanks for reminding us. I thought is suspicious, too.

Does anyone have a link to a video on this?

 

[GER]

I think I remember that 'event' as being when the Justice Coalition added the reward money to bring it up to 35,000.00... Ms. Duggar spoke if I'm thinking of the correct one y'all are mentioning...
I remember clearly thinking at the time I saw it... EEEEW...check out our Sheriff and if his eyes could bore holes, it was doing so while RC was a talking... Yep...that was a big eye opener for me at the time!

 

[Peliman]

Going on intuition here because I have no cold hard facts.

Excellent synopsis AK - I also have couple theories but one which keeps tugging at me is cousin JO. I keep asking myself why is it JO and Ron had a disagreement enough that JO would take Rons gun. Was it retaliation over a dispute they had? The early rumors of Ron robbing a drug dealer, was the dealer JO?

Exactly what was JO doing during his visit? Most people coming to visit Fla. go to the beach or Disneyland. Early on JO's facebook showed a strong connection to the Nashville crips, was JO there to make a drug pickup? I have this nagging feeling he was mixing business and pleasure on his visit.

Chelsa having the van last at the Crescent City address where Jo was staying and the next morning scratches found and not parked where she remembered. JO leaving Fla. shortly after. I suppose where I'm hung up is "Was Haleigh the result of a dispute between JO and Ron?

 

[Whisperer]

Hi Peli, funny, I have been going to the same place you have with your intuition. RC is hooked up with JO and there lies the secret. Rc divorced himself from any information about a fight, gun or JO from day one. YET, we know he did indeed have a problem with JO as rc said it himself and we heard it.

This hiding of the gun by rc made no sense at all regarding JO. rc owed JO. JO wanted the gun because rc didn't pay him cash. rc doesn't want his drug dealings made public. Whether JO was crazy enough or drugged up enough to take and harm Haleigh is left to be seen but rc is a very paranoid person and we really can't believe what he says.

If you thing about it, did rc know all along that JO took Haleigh and was not going to rat him out to protect his own butt? Frankly it sounds like rc would do that.

Can't think of any reason why rc would not tell LE to go after JO other than his own hide. That is the way rc rolls. He knew from the minute he got home that Haleigh had died. He either is involved with the death or he is covering his own hide and Jo took Haleigh due to illegal drugs and guns which rc owed him.

 

[Whisperer]

The other image I have from the first day is the way Orlando followed rc very closely. He looked like he was guarding rc and misty. He turned when they did, stood behind them, walked behind them, mirrored their every move...then "Poof"...gone.

 

[Whisperer]

Going on intuition here because I have no cold hard facts.

Excellent synopsis AK - I also have couple theories but one which keeps tugging at me is cousin JO. I keep asking myself why is it JO and Ron had a disagreement enough that JO would take Rons gun. Was it retaliation over a dispute they had? The early rumors of Ron robbing a drug dealer, was the dealer JO?

Exactly what was JO doing during his visit? Most people coming to visit Fla. go to the beach or Disneyland. Early on JO's facebook showed a strong connection to the Nashville crips, was JO there to make a drug pickup? I have this nagging feeling he was mixing business and pleasure on his visit.

Chelsa having the van last at the Crescent City address where Jo was staying and the next morning scratches found and not parked where she remembered. JO leaving Fla. shortly after. I suppose where I'm hung up is "Was Haleigh the result of a dispute between JO and Ron?

Yep, I think he was there for drugs. I am shocked that he was a member of the Crips. That is one scary gang. They're scary because there isn't a member with an I.Q. in it over 90. The Bloods and the Crips were the stupidest gangs ever started. I have had the dishoner of being around them in prison for years. They make no sense and can't be reasoned with because they have zero logic....just work on emotion and nothing else. Emotional cripples, plus stupid, mixed with guns and drugs are not the type of people anyone wants to be around.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Exactly what was JO doing during his visit? Most people coming to visit Fla. go to the beach or Disneyland. Early on JO's facebook showed a strong connection to the Nashville crips, was JO there to make a drug pickup? I have this nagging feeling he was mixing business and pleasure on his visit.

JO was in Florida visiting relatives, not so odd when you think about it, IF these people were the average everyday family. From what I've heard, JO didn't have a vehicle with him. He rode to Satsuma with a friend, she went on to spend time in another area, maybe on the beach?, then she came back to pick up JO and they drove back to Tennessee. All quite simple and normal, IF they were average folks.

I'm having a bit of trouble picturing a drug dealer with no wheels. Sure, small time thugs start out that way. IDK This whole case is filled with suspicious characters. Dame Agatha Christie and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle are probably tossing in their coffins asking "Why couldn't I have thought of this?".

Originally posted by GER
I think I remember that 'event' as being when the Justice Coalition added the reward money to bring it up to 35,000.00... Ms. Duggar spoke if I'm thinking of the correct one y'all are mentioning...
I remember clearly thinking at the time I saw it... EEEEW...check out our Sheriff and if his eyes could bore holes, it was doing so while RC was a talking... Yep...that was a big eye opener for me at the time!

It was odd, wasn't it? I remember watching the Sheriff watching RC, too. I wish I could find a video of it. At that time, I wondered if LE was also suspicious of RC. :waitasec: Hinky meter went off the charts.

 

[bessie]

You've hit on the big three, AK. I've vacillated between all of them for the past 14 months but lean mostly toward an accidental OD. I absolutely agree and have stated often that any viable theory has to account for Jr. That's one reason the OD makes sense. It would've been non-violent and relatively quiet compared to the alternatives. The whole ordeal could've been carried out while Jr. slept.

That said, I've been giving more thought to Joe as of late. My gut says no, and I'm just not feelin' it. Then again, his name keeps coming up, and I can't dismiss the fact that there was some nasty blood between him and RC.

I don't think anyone has ever given a reason for Joe's trip to Florida. IIRC he rode with a female friend who dropped him off and continued on to another town, then picked him up on her way back. That's as good an explanation as any for me. My son has done that several times with female friends who didn't want to take a road trip alone.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

For the most part my theory hasn't changed...

Haleigh got caught up in an altercation between Ron C and Misty or Ron C and someone else.. Haleigh was accidentally shot..The incident occurred before Ron C went in to work.

I do have new thoughts as to where the incident may have occurred.. At one time I thought it took place enroute to Timmy's house in Crescent City or at his house, I now believe the incident occurred at Misty's parent's house on Magnolia, or close to Shell Harbor area...
I do not believe Tommy was present or at the scene when the incident occurred..Not quite sure as to whether or not cousin Jo was on the scene, but when he stated.."I didn't do it", I believe him...JMO

This has been one of my top theories, too, especially when I heard about the bus stop incident: Misty picked up Haleigh and drove in the opposite direction from where they lived. The people at the bus stop said RC came along just after and followed MC. Was he angry? Had they been fighting? I need to look for that tape.

Could they have argued at the Croslin home, or in the woods? This could place a lot of people in close proximity. Could he have punched Haleigh when aiming for Misty, or just been too rough with the girl? Why would so many people cover for him? That's a problem. I can see Misty covering for Ron, even Tommy covering for Ron for Misty's sake, but others? Is he the drug supplier and everyone is afraid to lose him and his connections? :waitasec: If she was shot, there would have been noise and mess. :waitasec: Again, what about Junior??

I have a feeling logic does not fit into any of this. My head hurts.

Originally posted by Emma Peel
Hmmmmm...When's Lisa next due in court? I ask because of Em's theory here, and how Lisa and her knowledge could tie into it. Lisa is not allowed to leave the area, and LE has found reasons to jail both Lisa and Tommy ever since Haleigh disappeared. Could Lisa have knowledge if she came home from Hank Sr.'s hospital bed to a clean up party?

Lisa and Hank go to court same day as RC and ToC, May 13th.

Your post erased my concern about her parents being there, but of course, her dad was hospitalized. Makes this a clearer picture. Thanks. But what about the A/C guy who was at the MH that evening?