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OR Misty never went back to the MH on Sunday. I find it very strange that TN called Misty and asked her to babysit on Monday. WHY? Why would TN have to call and ask Misty to watch the kids if she was already there at the MH, and IMO, most importantly, WHY would Misty say - if it OK with Ron? Ron was there, why would he need a sitter, and couldn't she just roll over and ask him if he minded that she watched the kids? seems a little silly to me...

I personally don't think Misty was at the MH on Sunday or Monday. Until she was needed. I think that the children were with GGS or TN that weekend, and Ron spent most of the weekend trying to track down Misty.

I really don't think Jo or Tommy had anything to do with HaLeigh disappearing, i think that they were involved in the clean up.

Rons family wouldn't leave something like that to people they have only known for a few months... they would make sure it was done right, so no one will find HaLeigh.....

I also think that Misty was not at the MH on that Sunday or during the daytime Monday. There are so many conflicting stories, or rather "lies" told about that time period. Very good points.
 
I also think that Misty was not at the MH on that Sunday or during the daytime Monday. There are so many conflicting stories, or rather "lies" told about that time period. Very good points.

With Teresa and Ron lying about this timeline, I am starting to strongly feel maybe something happened to the child on Teresas watch and Ron and Teresa are covering for each other, and Misty is the scapegoat.
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Hi Dion!

BBM :)

OR Misty never went back to the MH on Sunday. I find it very strange that TN called Misty and asked her to babysit on Monday. WHY? Why would TN have to call and ask Misty to watch the kids if she was already there at the MH, and IMO, most importantly, WHY would Misty say - if it OK with Ron? Ron was there, why would he need a sitter, and couldn't she just roll over and ask him if he minded that she watched the kids? seems a little silly to me...

I personally don't think Misty was at the MH on Sunday or Monday. Until she was needed. I think that the children were with GGS or TN that weekend, and Ron spent most of the weekend trying to track down Misty.

I really don't think Jo or Tommy had anything to do with HaLeigh disappearing, i think that they were involved in the clean up.

Rons family wouldn't leave something like that to people they have only known for a few months... they would make sure it was done right, so no one will find HaLeigh.....


I have thought about this endlessly--but we still don't KNOW with full certainty who picked up Haleigh from the bus stop. If she had the van, as neighbors described, how was anyone getting to Shands to see Hank? :waitasec:
 
...And when he dropped to the ground on his knees (I heard it is a southern thing,)...

!:gavel: I object! :)

Love ya Lacy...just want to defend my heritage. I was born, raised and have lived in the Deep South all my life. In 49 years I have never seen anyone (nor do I know anyone) that would dramatically drop to their knees like Ron did... as though copying a scene from a bad actor.....except maybe in a television drama.

Southerners are often unfairly portrayed as hysterical "lawdy lawdy" shouting simple people, who live in shacks or trailers with their pet aligators, and who pole their pirogue's down the bayou.

:rant: Sorry for the rant...just don't want to be compared in ANY way to RC!

As far as theories...I go back and forth between these 3:

Misty - if it's her, the theory that seems plausible is Misty gave Haleigh oxyconin to get her to sleep because she herself was wanting to sleep off a drug binge. They got rid of her little body to prevent the detection of drugs.

Ron - if it's him, the theory that seems plausible is that he hurt Haleigh really bad BEFORE he went to work. Haleigh was put to bed and died from that trauma. They had to get rid of her little body to conceal the injuries. I never believed from the 911 call that Ron believed a stranger took Haleigh...he was more interested in calling Misty names than being outside searching door-to-door and calling Haleigh's name.

Joe - if it's him, the theory that would be plausible regards the gun he wanted back. When he couldn't find it (and was probably high on something) he had Misty call Ron over and over. When Ron didn't give up the gun's location, Joe became enraged...took Haleigh, went to his fav fishing spot on the river and threw her little body with the rope and cinder-block like grandma flo described in the aligator infested water. He suspiciously left FL right after Haleigh "vanished."

None of the people involved, INCLUDING RC, have told the complete truth about what happened to Haleigh. Poor Junior...I really hope Crystal has cleaned up her act and is taking good care of that little boy. He has been through and has seen too much already :(
 
!:gavel: I object! :)

Love ya Lacy...just want to defend my heritage. I was born, raised and have lived in the Deep South all my life. In 49 years I have never seen anyone (nor do I know anyone) that would dramatically drop to their knees like Ron did... as though copying a scene from a bad actor.....except maybe in a television drama.

Southerners are often unfairly portrayed as hysterical "lawdy lawdy" shouting simple people, who live in shacks or trailers with their pet aligators, and who pole their pirogue's down the bayou.

:rant: Sorry for the rant...just don't want to be compared in ANY way to RC!

As far as theories...I go back and forth between these 3:

Misty - if it's her, the theory that seems plausible is Misty gave Haleigh oxyconin to get her to sleep because she herself was wanting to sleep off a drug binge. They got rid of her little body to prevent the detection of drugs.

Ron - if it's him, the theory that seems plausible is that he hurt Haleigh really bad BEFORE he went to work. Haleigh was put to bed and died from that trauma. They had to get rid of her little body to conceal the injuries. I never believed from the 911 call that Ron believed a stranger took Haleigh...he was more interested in calling Misty names than being outside searching door-to-door and calling Haleigh's name.
Joe - if it's him, the theory that would be plausible regards the gun he wanted back. When he couldn't find it (and was probably high on something) he had Misty call Ron over and over. When Ron didn't give up the gun's location, Joe became enraged...took Haleigh, went to his fav fishing spot on the river and threw her little body with the rope and cinder-block like grandma flo described in the aligator infested water. He suspiciously left FL right after Haleigh "vanished."None of the people involved, INCLUDING RC, have told the complete truth about what happened to Haleigh. Poor Junior...I really hope Crystal has cleaned up her act and is taking good care of that little boy. He has been through and has seen too much already :(

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IMO, Ron intended to be present when Misty called 911 to report HaLeigh missing so he could point the finger at her rather than himself, and apparently Joe was scheduled to leave Satsuma the day he left with JA, the woman who drove him to Satsuma. LE interviewed Joe several times in TN and confiscated both Joe and JA's clothing and personal belongings when they returned to TN. LE also apprehended JA's vehicle for forensic evidence. FWIW, Joe was already lawyered up before he visited his family in Satsuma so he was protected to a certain degree and IMO knows how to exercise and protect his rights when he needs to.
 
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Hello ahi!

IMO, Ron intended to be present when Misty called 911 to report HaLeigh missing so he could point the finger at her rather than himself, and apparently Joe was scheduled to leave Satsuma the day he left with JA, the woman who drove him to Satsuma. LE interviewed Joe several times in TN and confiscated both Joe and JA's clothing and personal belongings when they returned to TN. LE also apprehended JA's vehicle for forensic evidence. FWIW, Joe was already lawyered up before he visited his family in Satsuma so he was protected to a certain degree and IMO knows how to exercise and protect his rights when he needs to.

Jow was lawyered up in Satsuma? He had a lawyer in Florida when he went to see his family?
 
I can't recall at the moment but when rc dropped to his knees, hadn't he just made a big faux pas...isn't that when he said he would give his life for his daughter's life back? Correct me if I'm wrong..memory's getting froggy.
 
I also think that Misty was not at the MH on that Sunday or during the daytime Monday. There are so many conflicting stories, or rather "lies" told about that time period. Very good points.

I went back and pulled some of this to reexamine because I believe it is a central part of what happened.

In our interview, Page says he last saw Misty about 4 a.m. Sunday, Feb, 8, and learned later she was going to visit her father, laid up in the hospital from a car accident, busted leg.

By Sunday, the party was winding down

“She said she wasn’t going back to Ronald, and said for me to drop her off at her brother’s house,” recalls Prevatt, “that she had to take care of the kids,”

She’s not sure where Misty spent Sunday night and Monday morning

Only on Monday morning, Jerry Santos, a neighbor at the bus stop with his children tells me Ronald raced by in his purple car with tinted windows, coming inches away from hitting a pickup truck–and mowing him and kids down in the loading area. Inside the vehicle, Santos could make out Haleigh

Other parents tell me Haleigh did not ride the bus that morning

“It all comes back to Misty,” Cobra tells me, “and her timeline. No one knows what she was doing after she visited her Dad at the hospital Monday. Or whether she was even home that night (Monday)

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/

at least three parents tell me they only saw Misty at the bus stop. But Santos tells me, “Misty was definitely driving,” that he never saw either father or grandmother at the bus stop.

what might that have had to do with Ron Cummings driving like a bat out of hell Monday morning as he took Haleigh to her last day of school

According what private investigator William Staubs says sources told him – and mine confirm – Ronald was up all Sunday night waiting for Misty to come home. The sources say she never did, and he finally fell asleep—and overslept. Then had to rush and race to get Haleigh to school, and presumably try to find Misty before he went to work Monday afternoon

When she finally came in Monday morning, she slept at her father’s house

http://www.artharris.com/2009/06/11/haleigh-exclusive-bloody-hands-timeline-details/

In a dialogue somewhat reminiscent of GGM's "That's A Crock" interview on 2/19/09, SIX MONTHS later Teresa Neves felt compelled to offer the "up all night talking" explanation for poor Misty's "exhaustion" and reason for not hearing Tommy Croslin knocking at the door at 10-10:30 pm.

It seems that both Teresa Neves and Annette Sykes are EXTREMELY sensitive to any suggestion that Misty was not home that night.

September 21, 2009

NEVES: I`m -- Miss Nancy, I just want to clarify that Misty came home on Sunday evening, and she and Ronald were up all night Sunday night until the evening of Monday, when she -- I was told, you know, that she went to bed at 10:00 o`clock. Now, being that exhausted, I think that maybe you could sleep through somebody beating on the door.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/21/ng.01.html

A summary:

-By Sunday, the party was winding down.

-Page says he last saw Misty about 4 a.m. Sunday, Feb, 8.

-Page says “she was going to visit her father in the hospital”.

-Cobra told AH “she visited her Dad at the hospital Monday”.

-NayNay Prevatt’s not sure where Misty spent Sunday night and Monday morning.

-“She said for me to drop her off at her brother’s house”, recalls Prevatt.

-When she finally came in Monday morning, she slept at her father’s house.

-Ronald was up all Sunday night waiting for Misty to come home. The sources say she never did.

-He finally fell asleep—and overslept. Then had to rush and race to get Haleigh to school.

-Ronald raced by the bus stop in his purple car with tinted windows, coming inches away from hitting a pickup truck.

-On Monday morning, inside the vehicle, Santos could make out Haleigh.

-Haleigh did not ride the bus that morning.

-He took Haleigh to her last day of school.

Ronald and Misty have told vastly conflicting stories about how Haleigh went to school on February 9, 2009. At least one of them, and possibly both of them are lying. There is no middle ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCVrgVLOGTw

- You just heard Ronald Cummings say he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop Monday afternoon, but witnesses only saw Misty at the bus stop.

-The witnesses never saw either father or grandmother at the bus stop.

Getting the truth of what happened over this 36-48 hour time frame is simple, basic, Police Work 101. Not for one minute do I believe that LE doesn't know for a fact whether or not Misty visited her father at the hospital and what time she was there. Not for a minute do I believe that LE doesn't know the truth about whether Ronald Cummings dropped his daughter off at the bus stop, took her to school, or possibly NEITHER one. Not for a minute do I believe that LE doesn't know who picked Haleigh up at the bus stop.

Some of these people have lied about the most basic, straightforward aspects of this case that, frankly, a rookie cop could easily investigate and learn the truth. I believe our member 1Chump has nailed the real reason for Ronald Cumming's plea deal. He has to FINALLY sit down and tell the truth about any and everything.

It's not a crime to lie to the media. It's not even a crime, under some circumstances, to lie to LE. But my friends, lie under oath and it's a whole new ballgame.

Ask Martha Stewart.
 
If it was an OD, I believe it would be something that no one had a script for, so blaming it on accidental, even if it wasn't, wasn't an option. I dont feel this was OD. I tend to believe this child died over violence intended for Misty, be it a gunshot or a blow to the head.
I agree that a closed injury to the head is real possibilty. The lack of blood - or lack of blood reported - makes me tend to lean away from the gunshot, unless it was in another location. (And I dont mean to sound like that in trying to process all this that I've ruled out a location other than the home.)

moo

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If it was an OD, I believe it would be something that no one had a script for, so blaming it on accidental, even if it wasn't, wasn't an option. I dont feel this was OD. I tend to believe this child died over violence intended for Misty, be it a gunshot or a blow to the head.

I think TN had severe back pain and got scripts for oxysomethings. I remember saying she didn't think Haleigh would take them because they are bitter making a big well BIG deal about that. on Nancy.

As a few others here and yourself, I also think she was shot or something to the head, its just the feeling I have had for awhile now.
Too much gun story goes around mixed with drugs as well... No coincidence its all guns guns guns and then the arrests pills pills pills to divert(and help numb yourself from what you may have done or what you may know)All JMO
 
1. How did misty get to Gainsville to see her father?

2. Why did rc lie about taking Haleigh to the bus stop in the AM? He told us he dropped Haleigh off in the am AT the bus stop.

3. Who really picked up Haleigh?

4. Was she really on the bus?

.....Ron lies in the face of facts all the time..so I don't know if she was even at school.

.....I wish LE was more upfront with their facts.
 
I just don't get the lies BEFORE Haleigh allegedly disappeared. What is the reason for lying about the morning of Feb 9 unless the circumstances surrounding her demise started then?

Why wouldn't misty say she was visiting her father on Monday? I don't think she did. I think, if she saw him at all, it was Sunday. WBG is wrong about the time and the day, you can count on it.
 
I just don't get the lies BEFORE Haleigh allegedly disappeared. What is the reason for lying about the morning of Feb 9 unless the circumstances surrounding her demise started then?

Why wouldn't misty say she was visiting her father on Monday? I don't think she did. I think, if she saw him at all, it was Sunday. WBG is wrong about the time and the day, you can count on it.

Because once again, imo, Teresa lured Misty using Haleigh so that Misty would have a soft spot and go back to Rons. I am sure when Ron saw Misty the first time it was a mess, literally. I do believe Misty picked up Haleigh and Ronald was laying in wait, watching her, and I bet he confronted her, and Haleigh paid the price. Theres no other reason to lie about the events when the child was confirmed not missing.
 
I just don't get the lies BEFORE Haleigh allegedly disappeared. What is the reason for lying about the morning of Feb 9 unless the circumstances surrounding her demise started then?

Why wouldn't misty say she was visiting her father on Monday? I don't think she did. I think, if she saw him at all, it was Sunday. WBG is wrong about the time and the day, you can count on it.
She may have been with WBG, & for some reason, (maybe just to keep his name out of it), he's lieing for her. I could very easily see Misty being with him, since she had just spent the weekend with him. She may have been playing both him & Ron. Well, WBG is in jail, so if he's got something to add to this mess, he needs to spit it out now, while there's still time, to help himself. Didn't Art Harris report that he had passed a poly? If so, I wonder why he was given one so early, but Tommy didn't take one, until after the drug bust. weird. Another thing that's weird...Misty was supposedly in on the plot to steal Ron's gun. But after their big fight, & her being gone, I guess it was real convenient that she got back, just in the nick of time to follow through. There's something not right about the gun timeline too. Didn't Ron tell Cobra that Joe stole his gun, the 1st day they met? So, was Joe in on 2 gun thefts? I don't think so. Maybe Misty was actually in on the 1st theft, & they added it to the Haleigh story, to muddy the waters...to give Joe a motive. So, if Joe wasn't at the trailer, raging over a gun, was he even there at all? I'm beginning to see it as a real possibility that those kids were left alone. either by Ron or Misty or both. I can also see Misty sneaking off to be with WBG, & leaving the kids with Tommy and/or Joe. shudder.
 
If every single person who knows a little something, but won't fess up, because he doesn't want his name dragged into this mess, over something small, would just fess up anyway, there would be a much clearer picture of what happened. especially the 24 hours, preceding Haleigh's disappearance. If Misty was out that night, somebody needs to say so.
 
I've considered similar theories many times, LT, but a few big questions always stand out: where the he!! was Misty that night? And why has no one come forth to say that they were with her or that they at least saw her somewhere, anywhere, that night? LE has made several pleas for information on Misty's whereabouts that night, but no answers as of a few months ago. All of her known pals have been arrested in the past seventeen months. Yet not a word from any of them. Why not? If they were up to no good, using drugs, whatever, so what? They don't have to admit that, and I doubt LE would press the issue as long as they could confirm that Misty was with them. She's been sitting behind bars for six months now. Why isn't she screaming to the world that she wasn't at the MH and naming anyone who could corroborate her story? I'm not attacking you LT, and I certainly hope it doesn't sound like I am. Until I can find an answer to those questions, I can't accept that Misty was anywhere other than Greene Ln when Haleigh disappeared.
I see your point, but I keep going to back to the fact that Misty is sort of the lone one (imo too) in LT's (and others'?) theory. What I mean is, for one, she's the youngest of the clan of players, right? and even tho i wouldnt call her necessarily naive, she may feel that she has no chance of being believed against TN, GGS, Ron et al so if she opens the can of worms, does she think it will be her word against all of theirs? IDK. Something is holding her back and I've wondered why her council hasnt been able to drive those points home - the ones you and others mentioned - so that she would talk.

moo

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She may have been with WBG, & for some reason, (maybe just to keep his name out of it), he's lieing for her. I could very easily see Misty being with him, since she had just spent the weekend with him. She may have been playing both him & Ron. Well, WBG is in jail, so if he's got something to add to this mess, he needs to spit it out now, while there's still time, to help himself. Didn't Art Harris report that he had passed a poly? If so, I wonder why he was given one so early, but Tommy didn't take one, until after the drug bust. weird. Another thing that's weird...Misty was supposedly in on the plot to steal Ron's gun. But after their big fight, & her being gone, I guess it was real convenient that she got back, just in the nick of time to follow through. There's something not right about the gun timeline too. Didn't Ron tell Cobra that Joe stole his gun, the 1st day they met? So, was Joe in on 2 gun thefts? I don't think so. Maybe Misty was actually in on the 1st theft, & they added it to the Haleigh story, to muddy the waters...to give Joe a motive. So, if Joe wasn't at the trailer, raging over a gun, was he even there at all? I'm beginning to see it as a real possibility that those kids were left alone. either by Ron or Misty or both. I can also see Misty sneaking off to be with WBG, & leaving the kids with Tommy and/or Joe. shudder.
Correct me if Im wrong and I do get confused. But didnt Tommy voluntarily insinuate himself into the story when he revealed going to the mobile home to knock on the doors? Why put yourself at a crime scene - or whatever the term is - if you were guilty of part of it or had some fishy role in it or or if you had some knowledge about it that is best left unsaid (best for him, not for Haleigh, I mean.) And the whole bit about Joe has always struck me a red herring.
 
I see your point, but I keep going to back to the fact that Misty is sort of the lone one (imo too) in LT's (and others'?) theory. What I mean is, for one, she's the youngest of the clan of players, right? and even tho i wouldnt call her necessarily naive, she may feel that she has no chance of being believed against TN, GGS, Ron et al so if she opens the can of worms, does she think it will be her word against all of theirs? IDK. Something is holding her back and I've wondered why her council hasnt been able to drive those points home - the ones you and others mentioned - so that she would talk.

moo

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I haven't seen any evidence that her (Misty's) attorney has done anything to help Misty in any way at all.
 
He's the only attorney not doing the media game. He has managed to keep her quiet for the past months. I think she is resigned to her fate. I think he believes she is guilty of harming Haleigh and keeping quiet and going away for 25 yrs is better than life.
 
They need to bring in timmy and see if he was anywhere near the van that night. Did JO share any info with timmy about misty needing help or is it the other way around? JO lawyered up early, rc lawyered up early. Tommy may have only contacted JO...we just don't know but tommy is in BIG trouble. Misty had to have called him (if he wasn't there already) to help her.

As I said before, it is much easier to solve a case with educated people who commit crime than those who aren't.
 
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