George Anthony will testify against Casey next week before the grand jury

[Jigglebug's Mom]

Hi Jigglebug :wave: I checked it out - what most catches your eye in that thread?

The comparisons of the jail phone calls - where casey talks about J. Blanchard Park and she really didn't have to go into it too much and Lee understood. What if they are worried about his DNA showing something connecting him with Caylee...... What if Lee has a problem and Casey knows about it and has kept her brother's secret....for 3+ years?

IIRC, at the beginning she asked for immunity in return for giving LE information. Could it be that she has information on what Lee has done and that she could be prosecuted for not reporting?

This case has sooo many twists and turns it tends to make your mind come up with all kinds of what if's!

Also a question....George has to go before the GJ, can he plead the 5th in order not to incrimidate his daughter?

 

[mysteriew]

Also from the same article:

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Two members of the Anthony family now have key roles in the case against Casey, her father for what he's going to do and her brother Lee for what he didn't want to do.

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George and Cindy Anthony voluntarily gave up DNA samples this week so investigators could scientifically exclude either of them as the source of the hair and stain in Casey's trunk, but investigators had to get a search warrant to get Casey's brother Lee to submit to a DNA test. He also has refused to take a lie detector test for the FBI.

I tell you. The more I see about Lee, the more I am wondering.

When Cindy first called LE, she wasn't at all shy about saying the car smelled like a dead body and she wanted Casey on charges. But something changed. It became Casey's story is true, she is innocent. Later she makes the statement something about she "couldn't or didn't want to lose everything". Well, even if Casey killed Caylee and even if she and George divorced she would still have Lee wouldn't she?

The night police were called, Lee said he acted as mediator to Casey. That got me to wondering how many times has he done that? Been the go between between Casey and Cindy? How protective an older brother was he? It has been said that Casey was closer to Lee than anyone else in the family. So in times of trouble, who would Casey turn to? Would it be a protective older brother?

Now Lee refusing a lie detector test, refusing a DNA test. Really making me wonder if he is what Cindy is referring to when she talks about losing everything. What does he know and when did he learn it??

 

[Samijeansg]

HI Chez, thank you for the nice welcome:heart:

If I were 22 years old, facing life in prison, I don't think I would hesitate to consider suicide as an alternative. Casey has to feel trapped by now I would think. I would be terrified at the prospects for my life.

You and me both! Welcome to the board!

 

[DianeB]

HI Chez, thank you for the nice welcome:heart:

If I were 22 years old, facing life in prison, I don't think I would hesitate to consider suicide as an alternative. Casey has to feel trapped by now I would think. I would be terrified at the prospects for my life.

Miss Casey seems to have a deep reservoir of faith that she can weasel her way out of every bad situation she gets into - I'm not sure she's walked far enough down the hallway yet to believe she has to turn around and admit defeat.

Even if she's convicted, she'll have her faithful manservant, Jose, reassuring her that she can prevail on appeal.

She's ready for her closeup, and dammit, she's going to stick around until she gets it!

Oh, and welcome.

 

[Thinaire]

Yes! So which one is the truth?! Which one will he tell the GJ?! Why DID GA lie on National television? I don't understand this one at all. The second story would have been the one I would think he would want to get out there so why make up the first one? Any ideas?

Hmmm....just a random thought after reading some of this thread and thinking back.

I wonder if George hasn't brokered his own deal with LE?

LE and the public has him making contraditory statements and then that odd detailed recollection of the "day" he last saw Caylee and Casey leaving the house.

George may know.... or been told thats it now or never for the truth...

 

[mysteriew]

The comparisons of the jail phone calls - where casey talks about J. Blanchard Park and she really didn't have to go into it too much and Lee understood. What if they are worried about his DNA showing something connecting him with Caylee...... What if Lee has a problem and Casey knows about it and has kept her brother's secret....for 3+ years?

IIRC, at the beginning she asked for immunity in return for giving LE information. Could it be that she has information on what Lee has done and that she could be prosecuted for not reporting?

This case has sooo many twists and turns it tends to make your mind come up with all kinds of what if's!

Also a question....George has to go before the GJ, can he plead the 5th in order not to incrimidate his daughter?

No, you can only plead the 5th in order not to incriminate yourself. And if you lie about someone else you can be prosecuted.

Casey doesn't strike me as the type to anyone else's secrets unless she benefits from them. It was her daughter and she is the one charged. IMO She wouldn't go through this to protect Lee, George or Cindy. IMO She would only take the heat if she knew she was the guilty one, but she would expect others to keep her secrets. And she would expect others to make it as easy as possible for her, and she would expect them to give her attention and make sacrifice's.

 

[DianeB]

Hmmm....just a random thought after reading some of this thread and thinking back.

I wonder if George hasn't brokered his own deal with LE?

LE and the public has him making contraditory statements and then that odd detailed recollection of the "day" he last saw Caylee and Casey leaving the house.

George may know.... or been told thats it now or never for the truth...

Isn't one of the motions Baez filed relating to the release of information about anyone who has made a deal with LE to avoid prosecution?

 

[CourtsInSession]

Thank you Sami and Diane for the nice welcome. WS has a great membership of individuals that I thoroughly enjoy following their ideas and conclusions. I'm glad I finally got nerve enough to make a few posts, I'm a much better 'lurker'!

 

[LCoastMom]

I felt sorry for him in the beginning until he lied about the gas cans.

When Greta first interviewed him and Cindy at their home, he said HE OPENED the trunk and Cindy said "there were the gas cans"

Later when he gave LE his testimony he said Casey wouldn't let him near the trunk but took them out herself and said "here's your *advertiser censored**en gas cans"!!!

He wasn't under oath when he spoke to Greta. Is it really surprising that he didn't want to make his daughter look any worse than she already looked, on national TV?

Under the circumstances it isn't the least surprising he didn't tell a reporter 'yeah my daughter threw the gas cans at me while she blocked my view of the trunk and cussed me out.'

He told the truth to LE, that's all that matters.

 

[Jigglebug's Mom]

No, you can only plead the 5th in order not to incriminate yourself. And if you lie about someone else you can be prosecuted.

Casey doesn't strike me as the type to anyone else's secrets unless she benefits from them. It was her daughter and she is the one charged. IMO She wouldn't go through this to protect Lee, George or Cindy. IMO She would only take the heat if she knew she was the guilty one, but she would expect others to keep her secrets. And she would expect others to make it as easy as possible for her, and she would expect them to give her attention and make sacrifice's.

Wow....then I think that Casey is totally screwed. I think George had his thoughts early on with the smell of the car plus everything else he found around the backyard. I think that he will tell everything he knows to the GJ. He looks so defeated anymore. His family and marriage is falling apart. I bet he is probably wondering now why came back and he stayed. IMO. He would have been much better off if he had distanced himself for good way back when he and Cindy were seperated.

Thanks so much for your thoughts and answers to my question!

 

[Thinaire]

HI Chez, thank you for the nice welcome:heart:

If I were 22 years old, facing life in prison, I don't think I would hesitate to consider suicide as an alternative. Casey has to feel trapped by now I would think. I would be terrified at the prospects for my life.

Welcome Court!

Thats because you are NORMAL ...Casey will probably see this as a life choice...no rent, no nagging parents, no career to worry about....

 

[Thinaire]

Isn't one of the motions Baez filed relating to the release of information about anyone who has made a deal with LE to avoid prosecution?

Don't know Diane...guilty of not reading them all closely...

I just have always thought that Georges past with LE, his weakness, will finally make him be "the one" that tells all he knows in the end.

Maybe its not a deal..maybe just a past knowledge of how LE works, and current LE pressing the idea that its now or never...

 

[Chezhire]

HI Chez, thank you for the nice welcome:heart:

If I were 22 years old, facing life in prison, I don't think I would hesitate to consider suicide as an alternative. Casey has to feel trapped by now I would think. I would be terrified at the prospects for my life.

So true. I've always thought that she'd consider suicide if she was going to :behindbar: for the rest of her life. Otherwise, and until such time as she may receive a life sentence, I think she'll continue to live in her pretend world and, god forbid she get the get-out-of-jail free card, but if she does, she'll just change her identity and reinvent herself. (Shudders.)

 

[LCoastMom]

It can be more of a fishing expedition....Remember, it is supposed to be an investigation. It is their job in there to seek out info and make sure the correct individuals are brought to justice for wrongdoing.
The rules of evidence, irrelevance vs relevance, immaterial vs material facts....those rules are for the regular courtroom, not the Grand Jury. hope that helps.

Does the GJ decide what can or cannot be presented as evidence, or only if there is enough evidence to bring charges? Or both?

 

[nancy botwin]

Does the GJ decide what can or cannot be presented as evidence, or only if there is enough evidence to bring charges? Or both?

They only decide if charges can be brought-- via a Grand Jury Indictment. Info and evidence gathered during the GJ can sometimes be used as evidence at trial.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I think Casey honestly believes that JB is going to get her out of this...just like he is telling her he will do. She doesn't know the meaning of consequences. Someone has always bailed her out before no matter what she has done...including this time! (At least, she is free on bond for the moment.)

 

[LCoastMom]

I told my husband that I thought this spoke volumes. He's the one that wanted CA to not call the 9-1-1 the 3rd time on the 15th. He's now refused a polygraph and refused a DNA test without a search warrant....definitely has my hinky meter going off!!! Not to mention, the laptop 'crashed' prior to him picking it up and he did his 'investigation'.

Lee didn't understand the need to call LE, he seemed to think it was due to a feud between KC and CA, which it sounds like happened quite a lot. When KC continued to refuse to let anyone check on Caylee's well being he was the one who went to CA and said yeah you should make the call.

I agree his behavior has been suspect. During interviews with LE it sounded like he was their buddy. He also looked for and turned info over to LE. TV interviews he looked like a jr spokesman, rather than a grieving uncle. But, if he was the only one in the house to believe something horrible had happened to Caylee and KC was responsible, everything else could have been a ruse on his part. Either to try to keep the lines open to KC or a defense mechanism on his part, to prevent himself from beating her to a pulp!

 

[DianeB]

Macaroni and cheese, on the side.

And for dessert, green jello with canned fruit cocktail.

 

[*~Aimee~*]

I really think George's statement to LE was very telling. I believe he knew what was going on. I do not believe he was covering for her. I think he was suspicious. IMO.. :crazy:

from the beginning when he told LE the very first night that Casey was hiding something he felt. I would not want to do what he is gonna do but I would never cover for one of my children so hopefully will never ever have to cross that bridge. ​

 

[LCoastMom]

They only decide if charges can be brought-- via a Grand Jury Indictment. Info and evidence gathered during the GJ can sometimes be used as evidence at trial.

Thank you..