Germanwings Airbus crash 24 March #1

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Hopefully emirates57 will join us here. I am always amazed at the knowledge base here in these crashes. The petons freezing over in the Air Asia crash scared me enough to choose to drive to Florida from Delaware when it was so cold up North in the US.
 
JanetElaine said:
If you go here: http://casperflights.com/ and select the Bordeaux airport, then set the time to around 10:30am local time (GMT+1) you can pick up the flight.

It may show up as GWI18G or Unknown. Hover over it and you can see the rapid descent, but also how far it still travels in that time. The speed never changes, in fact it appears to speed up for a while. There are large(er) airports around that they could have turned to in case of an emergency, like Nice, Marseille, possibly more.

That tells me the plane was either flown by someone who did not want to do so, or was incapable of doing so. The amount of time and distance the plane kept flying after it started its rapid descent does not indicate to me that it disintegrated in the air. Maybe a cabin pressure problem that left everyone unconscious? Or... malicious intent. IMO MOO
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It desintegrated on impact of mountain not air.
 
Zuri said:
This is so heartbreaking. Prayers to all the families of the victims of this crash.

I am kinda shocked to the lack of snow, but glad at the same time for the rescuers. Does anyone know the elevation of this crash site? Feet above sea level?
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According to wiki the elevation of Prads-Haute-Bleone is 831–2,961 m (2,726–9,715 ft) (avg. 1,036 m or 3,399 ft).
 
The school the children had visited, about 45 minutes from Barcelona, said 16 students from the town of Haltern had been on an exchange trip that ended on Tuesday.

Marti Pujol, mayor of the village of Llinars de Valles, said: "There were 16 children and two teachers who had spent a week here, poor things.

"The children were aged about 15."

Media reports in Germany said earlier that the schoolchildren and teachers were from Joseph-Koenig Gymnasium high school in the town.
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http://news.sky.com/story/1451757/france-crash-16-victims-from-one-school
 
Institut Giola (where the kids visited) has also pulled their website.
 
JanetElaine said:
According to wiki the elevation of Prads-Haute-Bleone is 831–2,961 m (2,726–9,715 ft) (avg. 1,036 m or 3,399 ft).
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So when they say that they lost contact at 6800 feet, would that mean they were only a few thousand feet above the Alps? As in like 2000 feet?
 
Seems to be still a lot of discussion of whether the plane broke apart in the air or not. Its hard to tell which articles are based on new infor and which are older. Since it appears the plane decended more gradually and not dropped and it maintained speed, it would seem likely it was intact until the end. Just guessing though.
 
4.29pm GMT16:29
The Guardian’s transport correspondent, Gwyn Topham, has been talking to experts about what might have caused the crash.

The airline said it could not give any reason why the plane crashed and added that it was too early to speculate on possible causes. The unverified flight data from plane tracking websites however appeared to rule out a large-scale explosion, with the plane apparently flying on relatively intact, or a midair stall, which would cause a much faster descent. Experts said planes would also be able to glide for longer in the case of total engine failure.

David Gleave, an air accident investigator and aviation expert at Loughborough University, said that based on the unverified data from plane tracking websites, “The descent appears to be consistent about 3000 ft a minute - not fast enough to be an explosive decompression, but it’s too fast if you were gliding. It appears to be a controlled descent.”

Tony Cable, who was the senior investigator into the Concorde crash, the last major air disaster on French soil in 2000, said that if there was no distress call made by pilots during the descent, likely starting points for investigation would be either a loss of control or pilot confusion, or a combination of both. One cause might be what investigators term a CFIT or controlled flight into terrain, where loss of instruments or irregular readings can make pilots lose their bearings and only become aware of danger too late if there is no visual reference - possible in the case of descending through thick cloud.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/mar/24/germanwings-airbus-a320-crashes-in-french-alps-live-updates
 
Pictures of Dutch victim disappearing off her Facebook while I was looking at them... Are we allowed to post links to that? (that = FB profiles)
 
Zuri said:
So when they say that they lost contact at 6800 feet, would that mean they were only a few thousand feet above the Alps? As in like 2000 feet?
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I have no idea honestly. I have a guess... but that's worth exactly what you paid for it - zilch. Based on 3D renderings such as on this page: http://www.runwaygirlnetwork.com/20...-germanwings-flight-4u9525-french-alps-crash/ my guess is, they lost contact when the plane flew into the mountain.

But that's pretty much based on nothing.
 
I've seen news there is also a Dutch and Belgian victim, but haven't seen them named anywhere. We can't link anything until they are.
 
zwiebel said:
I've seen news there is also a Dutch and Belgian victim, but haven't seen them named anywhere. We can't link anything until they are.
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They have been named in Dutch papers. The Dutch victim anyway. Does that count? (serious question)
 
A spokesman for the French Civil Aviation authority says the plane that crashed in the French Alps with 150 people on board never sent out a distress signal.

Eric Heraud said the plane lost radio contact at 10:30 a.m. Tuesday, but "never declared a distress alert itself."

He said it was the combination of loss of radio contract with control and the plane's descent which prompted the control service to declare a distress.

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/st...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-03-24-10-19-59

The plane dropped from a normal cruising altitude of about 38,000 feet to just 10,000 or 11,000 feet in the space of only eight minutes before dropping off radar screens.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/german-passenger-jet-reportedly-crashes-in-france/

Germanwings, was 44 minutes into its flight from Barcelona in relatively clear weather when it dropped from a cruising altitude of 38,000 feet to around 6,800 feet over the town of Barcelonnette. The eight-minute descent was described as unusually rapid, but possibly controlled though it left the plane too low to navigate the mountains.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/0...rench-alps-with-at-least-142-people-on-board/

When French air traffic controllers lost contact with the aircraft at about 10:53, it was flying at just 6,000 feet, Mr. Winkelmann said, and it crashed shortly afterward. Witnesses in the area of the crash site said that the terrain there rose to an elevation of more than 6,000 feet.

Frédéric Atger, a spokesman for Météo France, which monitors weather across the country, said that the conditions had been “particularly calm” in the area at the time of the crash.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/25/world/europe/germanwings-crash.html?_r=0
 
JanetElaine said:
I have no idea honestly. I have a guess... but that's worth exactly what you paid for it - zilch. Based on 3D renderings such as on this page: http://www.runwaygirlnetwork.com/20...-germanwings-flight-4u9525-french-alps-crash/ my guess is, they lost contact when the plane flew into the mountain.

But that's pretty much based on nothing.
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A steady decent, constant speed. Looks like it just flew right into the mountain. What happened? If it was at night you could maybe see how the pilots were confused by instruments and unaware they were decending. But this was 10:00 in the morning on a fairly clear day apparantly. And I believe alarms would have been going off as they approached the mountains telling them to pull up. I would think they should be able to fairly easily locate the black boxes, but would they be in good enough condition to provide data? I think this is a case where the CVR will be very telling as to what happened.
 
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