Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #3

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Hey folks, it's fine to discuss Time out Dolls in relation to this case specifically, but it is not necessary to go into the history of Time out Dolls since time began. It derails the discussion with off-topic information that does not relate directly to this case.

Please move on from general discussion about them. Thank you.
 
I took the time to compile a list of all building permits (available here) obtained by Rex Heuremann during his career (spanning from 1992 to present day) to see if there are any discernible patterns between his work and the murders and noticed a few things.

From 1992 to 2023, RH obtained 238 building permits -- all within the 5 boroughs of NYC -- for various projects ranging from demolitions and porch construction to entire gut renovations of large-scale apartment buildings and commercial spaces. Most of the permits he obtained were in Manhattan, with a large proportion of them in Midtown.

Throughout the 31 years he has been a practicing architect, there was only one year in which he didn't obtain a single permit -- 1996. RH did not obtain a single new permit between December 1995 and August 1997, despite not having any large ongoing projects which could conceivably account for the lack of new permit applications. Interestingly, the bodies of the Fire Island Jane Doe and the dismembered torso of an unidentified woman known as "Peaches" were found during this professional hiatus on April 20, 1996 and June 28, 1997, respectively.<modsnip - not an approved source>

Additionally, on March 5, 2007, RH obtained a permit for a $200,000 contract at 115 1290 1st Avenue in Manhattan. While I was unable to obtain any information about when construction at the site actually commenced, it is worth noting that 1290 1st Avenue is less than a mile from the 59th Street Bridge, where Maureen Brainard-Barnes' cellphone pinged at around 11:56 p.m. on July 9, 2007 <modsnip - not an approved source>
 
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i’ve been thinking about this since you posted yesterday and then thought about John Bittrolff so i added him as well. what are the chances?! you’re so right, what IS in the water?
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I wonder if the question is, what is not in the water?

Higher Lithium levels in water correlate not only with reduced suicide rate (well-known), but with reduced violent crime.

www.frontiersin.org

Frontiers | Lithium in Drinking Water as a Public Policy for Suicide Prevention: Relevance and Considerations

Although suicide is considered a major preventable cause of mortality worldwide, we do not have effective strategies to prevent it. Lithium has been consiste...
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Lithium in drinking water and crime rates in Japan: cross-sectional study

In pharmacological doses, lithium successfully treats bipolar disorder and it can reduce violent crimes committed by individuals with this disorder.To investigate whether naturally occurring lithium in drinking water lowers rates of violent crime in the ...
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Of course, not necessarily Litium.

These ingredients were high in NYC water in 2011

www.businessinsider.com

These 14 Drugs And Chemicals Were Found In New York City Tap Water

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I don't think that everyone responds to it the same way, but if people are genetically predisposed to violence and live all their lives in the same area, I think it is important to check what is, or is not, present in that water and soil.
 
Did LE actually think he may strike again, or was it that they thought he might flee? And why would he flee if he presumably didn’t know they were on to him? Was the arrest in part because of the incident with the woman recently—and has LE confirmed that WAS him?

It’s confusing to think that he kept visiting sex workers but hadn’t killed again, at least that we know of in the last year or so he was under surveillance. Definitely open to the possibility he killed between the discovery of the first set of victims and when surveillance started.

But still, to me it’s like an addict sitting at the table with their drug of choice right in from of them. It’s hard to imagine he could resist. I suppose if he needed to take them home (ugh) he couldn’t if these visits happened while wife was home, but I don’t know. Does what I’m trying to say make sense? I am 100% they’ve got their guy as far as the GB4 go, and think he’s likely responsible for some of the other victims. I just don’t understand how he could consistently meet these women and keep from harming them.

Thoughts are all over this place but I’ve been thinking about this for a while.
 
I can’t stop thinking about Shannan Gilbert and her family. So much a victim blaming by the police…. think of a recent victim Gabby P. Of course we don’t know if this monster is involved with her death but there are many questions.
The police perpetuate an unsafe environment for escorts by dismissing their families when they try to report women missing. This is heartbreaking.

After listening to Shannan’s distressing 911 call, I had many questions. During the call you can hear him/them teasing and taunting her. So much doesn’t make sense. My impression was that the driver was inside the house with her, wouldn’t a driver wait outside? Why didn’t he act like a driver? If she felt uncomfortable, he should have a let her get in the car and remove her from the situation. She was not able to tell the police anything about her location, so who made the arrangements for her?….the driver? If she had made the arrangements, she would have been able to give the police an address.
 
Mama Cat said:
I can’t stop thinking about Shannan Gilbert and her family. So much a victim blaming by the police…. think of a recent victim Gabby P. Of course we don’t know if this monster is involved with her death but there are many questions.
The police perpetuate an unsafe environment for escorts by dismissing their families when they try to report women missing. This is heartbreaking.

After listening to Shannan’s distressing 911 call, I had many questions. During the call you can hear him/them teasing and taunting her. So much doesn’t make sense. My impression was that the driver was inside the house with her, wouldn’t a driver wait outside? Why didn’t he act like a driver? If she felt uncomfortable, he should have a let her get in the car and remove her from the situation. She was not able to tell the police anything about her location, so who made the arrangements for her?….the driver? If she had made the arrangements, she would have been able to give the police an address.
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As far as I know, her phone wasn't recovered, correct ?
 
citizen_sleuth said:
I took the time to compile a list of all building permits (available here) obtained by Rex Heuremann during his career (spanning from 1992 to present day) to see if there are any discernible patterns between his work and the murders and noticed a few things.

From 1992 to 2023, RH obtained 238 building permits -- all within the 5 boroughs of NYC -- for various projects ranging from demolitions and porch construction to entire gut renovations of large-scale apartment buildings and commercial spaces. Most of the permits he obtained were in Manhattan, with a large proportion of them in Midtown.

Throughout the 31 years he has been a practicing architect, there was only one year in which he didn't obtain a single permit -- 1996. RH did not obtain a single new permit between December 1995 and August 1997, despite not having any large ongoing projects which could conceivably account for the lack of new permit applications. Interestingly, the bodies of the Fire Island Jane Doe and the dismembered torso of an unidentified woman known as "Peaches" were found during this professional hiatus on April 20, 1996 and June 28, 1997, respectively.<modsnip - not an approved source>

Additionally, on March 5, 2007, RH obtained a permit for a $200,000 contract at 115 1290 1st Avenue in Manhattan. While I was unable to obtain any information about when construction at the site actually commenced, it is worth noting that 1290 1st Avenue is less than a mile from the 59th Street Bridge, where Maureen Brainard-Barnes' cellphone pinged at around 11:56 p.m. on July 9, 2007 <modsnip>
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The 1996 discrepancy may have an explanation linked to his registration. In the licensing verification website for NYC, posted in an earlier thread, the site shows Heuermann as licensed in November 1996. Most state boards list the initial date of registration. Yet, Heuermann was in business before 1996 - in 1992 as you found. There are a couple of possibilities:

1. Heuermann was in business without an architect's registration/license until 1996. It appears that obtaining a permit would have required registration as an architect. He may have been forced to discontinue conducting business to obtain the proper credentials.
2. Heuermann's licensed lapsed - either by negligence or suspension - and was reinstated in November 1996. But the site notes that he was registered in November 1996.

Verification Search | Office of the Professions
From link above: 25826 HEUERMANN REX ANDREW Architecture (003) MASSAPEQUA PK NY November 04, 1996
 
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citizen_sleuth said:
Does anyone know what these pipes (?) are for? I noticed them in one of the photos of LE searching RH's house and when I went to Google street view, it doesn't appear they were there in 2011 (there appears to be a spout/vent of some kind, but it doesn't look like what is there now).
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I had a similar setup in the house I grew up in. South Massapequa. Oil tank for heating was in the garage.

EDIT- Some neighbors had the fill spouts in the garage but moved them outside to not have to let the oil delivery company in the garage.
 
PickleChris said:
I had a similar setup in the house I grew up in. South Massapequa. Oil tank for heating was in the garage.

EDIT- Some neighbors had the fill spouts in the garage but moved them outside to not have to let the oil delivery company in the garage.
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That would be my guess too, living in bldg with oil. A truck comes by and fills the tank via a hose.

jmo
 
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