Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #3

[White_Rabbit]

Please correct me if I have this wrong, but my understanding is the DNA in Maureen's case was degraded more than with the other cases and is taking longer to process. I think we will see charges against RH for Maureen's death soon enough.

jmo

It would make sense because Maureen went missing in 2007, at least two and three years before the other three victims. I would have to read the court documents again, but I believe it also stated that they were unable to analyze phone records for her case because the records were no longer available.

 

[airportwoman]

This is his 1990 wedding announcement to the first wife that took place at St Peter's Church. I've cropped the photo to only show the top of her forehead, hair and bridal veil in order to provide a comparison in their heights.

https://heavy.com/news/asa-ellerup-rex-heuermann-wife/
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Wait. Mrs 1990 is his SECOND wife? What happened to the first one, if this is true?

 

[fred&edna]

These are likely complicated questions but... what makes a human a sexual sadist? Is this a nature/nurture type of quandary... or is there clear and distinct evidence of how monsters like this come to be? I mean, BDSM is one thing... but RH (and the like) are completely another. imo.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

That is true, but at the same time, if the house is really as bad as a "packrat" (as has been stated in the media), it is very possible a cat could go unnoticed by LE. Cats are excellent at hiding, especially when scared, so IMO it's very possible they didn't even know there was a cat still in the house until days after the search began.

Also, the cat was only removed from the home today. The search has been going on for days now.

Link: Cat and creepy pictures seized from Gilgo Beach suspect's home

 

[Teche]

The stepson would be eligible because of his disability.

You would think the household income is taken into consideration. My adult nephew receives SSI, lives at home, and receives total care from his mom and a part-time LPN. He doesn't qualify for SNAP/ Food Stamps. Maybe New York has different guidelines.

 

[Curious Me]

New article in The NY Times — I gifted the article so it shouldn’t be behind a paywall

Apparently the family paid for groceries with food stamps, which is interesting considering RH had his own pretty successful architecture firm.

In Gilgo Beach Slayings, a Wife Nearby but Apparently Unknowing - NY Times​

<snipped & BBM>
Cashiers at the supermarket knew them as a quiet, cheerless family that shopped several times a week. Ms. Salmeri said she watched their children grow up over the past 25 years. One thing remained constant, she said: Mr. Heuermann never accompanied them.

“He never came with them,” she said. “I’m not sure what that says about them.”

[RH’s wife] looked depressed, Ms. Salmeri said, and the family often paid with food stamps, unusual at this store.

[…]

The Mustos, like other neighbors, called Mr. Heuermann’s family reclusive and enigmatic. On a tight-knit block, they did not socialize. Their unkempt house stood out almost as an extension of their nature.

To Ms. Musto, [RH’s wife] did not seem concerned with appearances either. “It could be middle of the afternoon and she looked like she just rolled out of bed,” she said.

“I’m friendly with everybody around here but she didn’t talk to anyone,” Ms. Musto said.

Thank You so much, @citizen_sleuth for gifting us all this article. Food stamps? That really bothers me if it's cheating the system. He boasts he knows and follows code so closely, and yet he is a big rule breaker, to say the least. So full of himself from what I could tell watching that realty firm interview he did, living with him would make me sick. Gosh, JMO, wife sounds like she may suffer from depression. She sounds very glum and guarded. Hard to say, as many depressed people tend to push people away, but then again, that's what people do when trying to keep their life and secrets private. All MOO.

In Gilgo Beach Case, a Wife Nearby but Apparently Unknowing (Published 2023)

Asa Ellerup, married to Rex Heuermann, who has been charged with murder, cut a glum figure. She was away when the killings happened, yet became central to the investigation.

www.nytimes.com

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[citizen_sleuth]

You would think the household income is taken into consideration. My adult nephew receives SSI, lives at home, and receives total care from his mom and a part-time LPN. He doesn't qualify for SNAP/ Food Stamps. Maybe New York has different guidelines.

No, NY State has similar guidelines -- if you are a dependent adult living in a household that makes above the maximum annual income to qualify for food stamps, you will not qualify for SNAP.

 

[Glimma0927]

Watching the killing season. In episode 2, a man (cannot remember his name but he provides insight) says of the GB4, the killer is a collector.

Just… wild knowing he seemingly collects guns. “Collecting” just gets me even if it wasn’t meant the way I’m taking it.

Also, did not know Maureen’s friend may have gotten a call from LISK. Highly recommend watching this for those who haven’t yet. Thanks to those who mentioned it in these threads.

This is part of the reason I don't think he would have disposed of bodies in properties where he wouldn't be able to visit later. I haven't seen any indication that he was into necrophilia, but he put camouflage burlap on them for a reason. He was hoping they wouldn't be found, but placed them in locations accessible to him.

I watched a show about Gary Ridgway recently (Green River Killer: Mind of a Monster) and we got to see a lot of videos asking Ridgway about his MO and psychological processes. He was not happy about his victims being discovered. He wanted them left where they were, undiscovered. He considered them his property. Of course, GR was into necrophilia, so his motivation for collecting victims might be a bit different from RH's. Maybe RH's victims were "trophies" from situations where he exerted the ultimate control over someone, and he wanted to be able to look upon those trophies from time to time.

 

[Dotta]

"A longtime neighbor of the accused Long Island serial killer revealed Tuesday several chilling encounters with Rex Heuermann, including behavior that left his wife 'creeped out.'

Etienne Devilliers, who has lived next door for nearly three decades, said he once had to confront Heuermann for leering over the fence at his wife as she lay out in the sun.

Devilliers said he worked at the time as a New York City firefighter and Heuermann’s behavior mostly occurred while he was not at his suburban Massapequa Park home.

'My wife finally told me a few times that she was getting creeped out a bit by him. I had a conversation with him. It wasn’t pleasant. It wasn’t a pleasant conversation. We spoke pretty harshly, but he didn’t get aggressive or anything. After that, he never did it again,' he recalled."

Neighbor says Gilgo Beach murder suspect Rex Heuermann ‘creeped out’ wife while she was sunbathing

A longtime neighbor of the accused Long Island serial killer revealed Tuesday several chilling encounters with Rex Heuermann, including behavior that left his wife “creeped out.” E…

nypost.com

 

[Soulmagent]

it reminded me of epstein’s weird art as well, but with all due respect the idea of a grand conspiracy featuring rex & epstein is ridiculous lmao. the only things they seem to have in common is that they’re psychopathic pedos with a bizarre collection of art.

I guess so too.
Other than the fact those 4 were with 6 more 1 of which was in two location . Multiple victims and few being attribited to him.
I heard someone on a pressor say on the news that they were not even going to release the name of the officers who investigated over the last year .

 

[fred&edna]

 

[DS2021]

So I hate to use the NYP

This makes no sense to me

Accused serial killer Rex Heuermann likely had female helper who ‘lured’ victims, lawyer claims: ‘Act of a mother’​

Accused serial killer Rex Heuermann possibly had female helper who ‘lured’ victims, lawyer claims: ‘Act of a mother’

John Ray also claimed a woman has been involved in making threatening calls over the Gilgo Beach murders.

nypost.com

 

[mucbetam]

Further to earlier research into missing persons in general in New York, Nevada and South Carolina States from 1990 I posted, I have done some digging based on a video I saw which could be interpreted as RH being alone and without family around.

I used parameters around the time of the video to limit the time window in which I was looking. Please find the below information. The filtering is crude.

Firstly, I have checked in a window of 6 months around the time I believe RH may have had time alone, which I believe to have been around Christmas time of 2013. Note this is an assumption and is not directly evidenced.

Secondly, I have on the whole only taken interest in missing women and children who have matched on the following criteria:

(I) 28 years or younger (apart from a few)
(II) 5'5" tall or less only
(III) Last known contact was EITHER in Nevada, New York or South Carolina, OR in an adjacent state.
NB I used ChatGPT version 4 to tell me adjacent states.

As before I used a US Government data source, since it was also mentioned before by another user and is well known, it is Namus.

Please find the below narratives and links. Where possible in the time I've had, I've included a link either to websleuths, or to a site which also has photos. But I have not done this last part methodically, so you may be able to find better information.

I have noticed the following:

• None of these girls/women were more than 5’5” tall
• Most are aged below 28
• All of them went missing in or adjacent to a state where RH had known business.
• There is a possibility that RH had a period alone during the times mentioned below. I am unable to state why on the forum publicly due to rules.
• [edit] Having researched the below cases more, some are fairly easy to rule out - such as one where Steven Dean Gordon - Wikipedia - pleaded guilty; and another where there were prime suspects who were acquitted, etc. I don't want to drop too many red herrings, but you can probably rule them out or wittle down from these Namus entries.

On 19 October, 2013, Victoria Williams, aged 13 went missing from Newark, Essex, NJ. She was black African American in ethnicity.

Victoria Williams – The Charley Project

On 15 December, 2013, Aimee Goldberg, aged 36 went missing from Buffalo, Erie, NY. She was white Caucasian in ethnicity.

Missing: Aimee Goldberg | Buffalo, NY | Uncovered

On 18 December, 2013, Heather Elvis, aged 19 went missing from Myrtle Beach, Horry, SC. She was white Caucasian in ethnicity.

The Disappearance Of 20-Year-Old Heather Elvis, Who May Have Been Killed By Her Lover And His Wife

On 17 October, 2013, Aliyah Vega, aged 14 went missing from Flourtown, Mongomery, PA. She was Hispanic/Latino in ethnicity.

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On 19 October, 2013, Jocelyn Garcia Gonzalez, aged 17, went missing from Springfield, Hampden, MA. She was Hispanic/Latino in ethnicity.

Have you seen this child? Jocelyn Garcia

On 8 November, 2013, Yuris Colindres-Avila, aged 17, went missing from West Valley City, Salt Lake, UT. She was of multiple race/ethnic backgrounds.

Missing: Yuris Colindres-Avila | West Valley City, UT | Uncovered

On 28 November, 2013, Kacie Smith, aged 23, went missing from Escondido, San Diego, CA. She was white Caucasian in ethnicity.

Missing Person / NamUs #MP25368

On 5 January, Qin Qi, aged 24, went missing from Pittsburgh, Allegheny, PA. She was Asian in ethnicity.

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PA - PA - Qi 'Sherry' Qin, 24, Pittsburgh, 5 Jan 2014

Qi Qin Qi Qin is a 24 year old grad student from China that speaks very little English that has gone missing. She was seen last in her Squirrel Hill home on Sunday, January 5th, 2014 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Qi Qin is 5' 3" and 115 lbs. with black hair, brown eyes and she wears...

www.websleuths.com

On 3 January, 2014, Grace Sabots,aged 27 went missing from Yreka, Siskiyou, CA. She was white Caucasian in ethnicity.

Grace Elan Sabots – The Charley Project

CA - CA - Grace Elan Sabots, 27, Siskiyou County, 1 Mar 2014

Grace Elan Sabots MISSING SINCE: 03/01/2014 SEX: Female DOB: 03/13/1986 RACE: White HEIGHT: 5' 3" EYES: Blue WEIGHT: 130 lbs. HAIR: Blonde DENTAL X-RAYS AVAILABLE: No Grace was last seen on March 1, 2014, on Highway 96 in Siskiyou County. Contact AGENCY: Siskiyou County Sheriffs Department...

www.websleuths.com

On 19 January, 2014, Irma Mkrtchyan, aged 45 went missing from Las Vegas, Clark, NV. She was white Caucasian in ethnicity.

Irma Mkrtchyan: Homicide cold case 5-years later

Irma Mkrtchyan – The Charley Project

On 20 January, 2014, Evelyn Cruz-Oro, aged 26 went missing from Lynwood, LA, CA. She was Hispanic/Latino in ethnicity.

CA - CA - Evelyn Cruz-Oro, 26, Lynwood, 20 January 2014

On 1 March, 2014, Dominique Patrick, aged 16 went missing in Buffalo, Erie, NY. She was black African American in ethnicity.

Missing: Dominique Patrick | Buffalo, NY | Uncovered

On 10 March, 2013, Kianna Jackson, aged 20, went missing from Santa Ana, Orange, CA. She was of multiple ethnicity background.

Kianna Rae Jackson – The Charley Project

On 21 March, 2014, Jessica Garcia, aged 19 went missing from Santa Barbara, ditto, CA. She was Hawaian/Pacific Islander in ethnicity.

CA - CA - Jessica Garcia, 19, Santa Barbara, 21 Mar 2014


Very best wishes,
muc

 

[gitana1]

Did LE actually think he may strike again, or was it that they thought he might flee? And why would he flee if he presumably didn’t know they were on to him? Was the arrest in part because of the incident with the woman recently—and has LE confirmed that WAS him?

It’s confusing to think that he kept visiting sex workers but hadn’t killed again, at least that we know of in the last year or so he was under surveillance. Definitely open to the possibility he killed between the discovery of the first set of victims and when surveillance started.

But still, to me it’s like an addict sitting at the table with their drug of choice right in from of them. It’s hard to imagine he could resist. I suppose if he needed to take them home (ugh) he couldn’t if these visits happened while wife was home, but I don’t know. Does what I’m trying to say make sense? I am 100% they’ve got their guy as far as the GB4 go, and think he’s likely responsible for some of the other victims. I just don’t understand how he could consistently meet these women and keep from harming them.

Thoughts are all over this place but I’ve been thinking about this for a while.

I guess many serial killers just suddenly stop:

Not All Serial Killers Must Keep On Killing

There are serial killers who stop murdering altogether before ever being caught or killed.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[Lex141]

I guess many serial killers just suddenly stop:

Not All Serial Killers Must Keep On Killing

There are serial killers who stop murdering altogether before ever being caught or killed.

www.psychologytoday.com

I guess many serial killers just suddenly stop:

Not All Serial Killers Must Keep On Killing

There are serial killers who stop murdering altogether before ever being caught or killed.

www.psychologytoday.com

It’s almost always because life circumstances have changed, not a “change of heart”. They have to move onto less risky things if they feel the heat is on them, a big life change ie a new baby/a move etc. Statistically most serial killers stop at around age 50 for simple purpose of physical strength.

 

[waldojabba]

So I hate to use the NYP

This makes no sense to me

Accused serial killer Rex Heuermann likely had female helper who ‘lured’ victims, lawyer claims: ‘Act of a mother’​

Accused serial killer Rex Heuermann possibly had female helper who ‘lured’ victims, lawyer claims: ‘Act of a mother’

John Ray also claimed a woman has been involved in making threatening calls over the Gilgo Beach murders.

nypost.com

It sounds like a lot of boastful bluster from a guy who is clearly an attention seeker. IMO.

 

[Lex141]

It sounds like a lot of boastful bluster from a guy who is clearly an attention seeker. IMO.

What a thorn in the side he must be for LE

 

[gitana1]

It’s almost always because life circumstances have changed, not a “change of heart”. They have to move onto less risky things if they feel the heat is on them, a big life change ie a new baby/a move etc. Statistically most serial killers stop at around age 50 for simple purpose of physical strength.

Yeah none of them stop due to a change of heart. That’s not what I said. But based on cases I’ve seen, I don’t see statistics indicating they typically stop at 50. Also, reasons given for stopping include that they got their kicks in other ways. Also, some just did it for a brief time. I’m betting most.

Serial Murder | Federal Bureau of Investigation

www.fbi.gov

 

[Lex141]

Yeah none of them stop due to a change of heart. That’s not what I said. But based on cases I’ve seen, I don’t see statistics indicating they typically stop at 50. Also, reasons given for stopping include that they got their kicks in other ways. Also, some just did it for a brief time. I’m betting most.

Serial Murder | Federal Bureau of Investigation

www.fbi.gov

I think we as a society are just beginning to understand the mind of a SK

 

[Falling Down]

I can't seem to figure out or have yet to read how RH's wife's hair was at the crime scene, or what is the connection? If his family was out of town during the killings, how did a strand or two of the wife's hair come into play. Is there thoughts that the victims were taken back to the house, or just trying to piece that together. I mean it can lead to a theory that there is more to this story than what we know... Just some thoughts.

My guess would be the burlap bags were used in the garden.

JMO