Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #7

[Inthedetails]

BBM - I know of a couple that were married for 45 years, her husband cheated on her every opportunity he could get, she never acknowledged it or reacted to it. Personally I think she preferred denial vs truth and that way she could stay married. Some women just don't want to know, do I think this is the case with AH? Maybe or I think she was dealing with two children with special needs, her own personal illness, a husband that was providing for her yet she had boundaries with her spending and was somewhat controlled. She was just living life, doing all she should and could. No judgment from me - All JMO

It looked to me that the lawyer was saying he has a witness or informant who says the wife was at the house when RH brought home SW. If that is true (and we don't know it is), that doesn't implicate her in murder. The two things are not the same. All it says, imo, is she had a really lousy husband from an outsider's point of view.

What she actually knew and why she put up with it probably is complicated and perhaps she couldn't even articulate it.

jmo

 

[imstilla.grandma]

A Long Island company found a macabre way to remember the Gilgo Beach murders — by peddling ornate jewelry named for the victims.

The 10 necklaces from Long Island-based company Jimmytoast are part of what the business calls The Heavy Metal Project, and feature thorns and spikes to evoke the dense thicket where the remains were found, colors matching the nail polish the women wore and symbols emulating tattoos cops used to identify their bodies.

“Some of these things are pretty obtusely designed — they’re pretty obnoxious,” said John Ray, an attorney for the families of two of the victims, Shannan Gilbert and Jessica Taylor.

“Shannan Gilbert’s is a bunch of thorns,” said Ray. ”That’s outrageous.”

Scantily clad models showcased the jewelry on the company’s website, which touted the baubles as “hauntingly beautiful.”

It even had a child model a necklace dedicated to the unidentified toddler whose remains were found in 1997.

A necklace dedicated to Valerie Mack, a 24-year-old who went missing in 2000, featured onyx details similar to a ring that was retrieved from her body and includes stones found on Long Island.

Jewelry designer Jamie Quilisadio came up with the idea for the project and partnered with the true-crime podcast “The First Degree” in May to launch a necklace along with the episodes on each victim.

“We just want to keep their spirits alive,” she insisted. “I definitely never meant for it to seem rude or dark or anything like that.”

The necklaces were priced between $60-$120 and have since sold out.

The proceeds, $5,346, are scheduled to go to the Sex Workers Outreach Project, according to Quilisadio, who sent receipts of the purchases to The Post.

“I wanted to use my artwork in a way that I could help bring awareness, and use the necklaces as a conversation piece while also protecting sex workers,” she added.

Exclusive | Haunting jewelry named for Gilgo Beach victims featured macabre murder details

A Long Island company found a macabre way to remember the Gilgo Beach murders — by peddling ornate jewelry named for the victims.

nypost.com

 

[Inthedetails]

A Long Island company found a macabre way to remember the Gilgo Beach murders — by peddling ornate jewelry named for the victims.

The 10 necklaces from Long Island-based company Jimmytoast are part of what the business calls The Heavy Metal Project, and feature thorns and spikes to evoke the dense thicket where the remains were found, colors matching the nail polish the women wore and symbols emulating tattoos cops used to identify their bodies.

“Some of these things are pretty obtusely designed — they’re pretty obnoxious,” said John Ray, an attorney for the families of two of the victims, Shannan Gilbert and Jessica Taylor.

“Shannan Gilbert’s is a bunch of thorns,” said Ray. ”That’s outrageous.”

Scantily clad models showcased the jewelry on the company’s website, which touted the baubles as “hauntingly beautiful.”

It even had a child model a necklace dedicated to the unidentified toddler whose remains were found in 1997.

A necklace dedicated to Valerie Mack, a 24-year-old who went missing in 2000, featured onyx details similar to a ring that was retrieved from her body and includes stones found on Long Island.

Jewelry designer Jamie Quilisadio came up with the idea for the project and partnered with the true-crime podcast “The First Degree” in May to launch a necklace along with the episodes on each victim.

“We just want to keep their spirits alive,” she insisted. “I definitely never meant for it to seem rude or dark or anything like that.”

The necklaces were priced between $60-$120 and have since sold out.

The proceeds, $5,346, are scheduled to go to the Sex Workers Outreach Project, according to Quilisadio, who sent receipts of the purchases to The Post.

“I wanted to use my artwork in a way that I could help bring awareness, and use the necklaces as a conversation piece while also protecting sex workers,” she added.

Exclusive | Haunting jewelry named for Gilgo Beach victims featured macabre murder details

A Long Island company found a macabre way to remember the Gilgo Beach murders — by peddling ornate jewelry named for the victims.

nypost.com

Geez, it's one thing to like macabre items but quite another to profit from victims who still have family living and missing them.

 

[Not a Belle]

Regarding John Ray's accusations of AE's involvement in RH's activities.

A lot of people are disgusted with John Ray for that. Bearing in mind John Ray has been pretty accurate in his opinions all along, I just ask one question of the wives out their on this forum.

If you were in AE's situation would you also be totally unaware of everything RH was doing?

In the marriage I am in, no. In one with a different dynamic, possibly. I have worked extensively with survivors of domestic abuse, and they frequently have no or very limited, controlled access to information about their own lives, much less the lives of others, particularly their partners. Even in non-abusive relationships, people hide things. I don’t think many people would make the leap from “something seems wrong” to “my partner is a serial killer.” MOO.

 

[SonsOfCain]

Cancer is not a known factor in the motivation of serial killers afaik.

No it’s not. I probably did not explain my thoughts very well, but I was thinking more in terms of the psychology of serial killers’ minds. He took a “break” from murdering (as far as we know yet anyway) and it has been proven that stressful/difficult life events can push serial killers to start killing again. Finding out that someone you love and care about has cancer is stressful for anyone. But I was just wondering if finding out his wife has cancer triggered something in his serial killer brain. He was probably more stressed out that he had to pay tons of money for the healthcare, instead of being able to spend it on his “habits”. I’m with everyone else who said they feel like he probably was not a very good or caring family man.

I hope I explained myself a little better.

 

[SonsOfCain]

A Long Island company found a macabre way to remember the Gilgo Beach murders — by peddling ornate jewelry named for the victims.

The 10 necklaces from Long Island-based company Jimmytoast are part of what the business calls The Heavy Metal Project, and feature thorns and spikes to evoke the dense thicket where the remains were found, colors matching the nail polish the women wore and symbols emulating tattoos cops used to identify their bodies.

“Some of these things are pretty obtusely designed — they’re pretty obnoxious,” said John Ray, an attorney for the families of two of the victims, Shannan Gilbert and Jessica Taylor.

“Shannan Gilbert’s is a bunch of thorns,” said Ray. ”That’s outrageous.”

Scantily clad models showcased the jewelry on the company’s website, which touted the baubles as “hauntingly beautiful.”

It even had a child model a necklace dedicated to the unidentified toddler whose remains were found in 1997.

A necklace dedicated to Valerie Mack, a 24-year-old who went missing in 2000, featured onyx details similar to a ring that was retrieved from her body and includes stones found on Long Island.

Jewelry designer Jamie Quilisadio came up with the idea for the project and partnered with the true-crime podcast “The First Degree” in May to launch a necklace along with the episodes on each victim.

“We just want to keep their spirits alive,” she insisted. “I definitely never meant for it to seem rude or dark or anything like that.”

The necklaces were priced between $60-$120 and have since sold out.

The proceeds, $5,346, are scheduled to go to the Sex Workers Outreach Project, according to Quilisadio, who sent receipts of the purchases to The Post.

“I wanted to use my artwork in a way that I could help bring awareness, and use the necklaces as a conversation piece while also protecting sex workers,” she added.

Exclusive | Haunting jewelry named for Gilgo Beach victims featured macabre murder details

A Long Island company found a macabre way to remember the Gilgo Beach murders — by peddling ornate jewelry named for the victims.

nypost.com

Yeesh. It’s a nice gesture to want to give funds to help sex workers and escorts, but I feel like this is definitely…not the way to go about it. They couldn’t have thought of a more tasteful and appropriate way to keep the victim’s names alive? This just feels…icky to me. Just my own opinion.

 

[SonsOfCain]

A couple of weeks ago Larry Kobalinski from John Jay College said that humans shed approximately 135 hairs per day, not including brushing or combing, or shower/baths. But according to LE the hairs don't contain DNA from AE, only that the hairs are similar to her. But maybe now that they swabbed AE for DNA that can make a connection to the hairs found on the victims.

I can totally back this up. So can my girlfriend. She hates when I’m in the car because she’ll find random stray hairs of mine for days afterwards

 

[iamshadow21]

A couple of weeks ago Larry Kobalinski from John Jay College said that humans shed approximately 135 hairs per day, not including brushing or combing, or shower/baths. But according to LE the hairs don't contain DNA from AE, only that the hairs are similar to her. But maybe now that they swabbed AE for DNA that can make a connection to the hairs found on the victims.

That is not true. The mitochondrial DNA from the hairs matches AE's haplogroup. (Page 26 of the PCA.)

It's not a precise match like nuclear DNA is, to identify an individual person, but it's more precise than blood typing, which we used to exclude or include subjects before we had DNA testing.

MOO

 

[Barbie619]

IIRC, when it was first announced that AE was seeking a divorce, the attorney for AE stated that it was a non-contested divorce, or a similar term was used, implying that both parties in the divorce agreed to the divorce.

It was written and posted here a document showed that the status of the divorce was non-contested. It was posted a few pages back from here.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Personally, I can't seem to find a G*M for the murder victims.

It seems to me unfair to blame RH's family for the lack of a fund set up in the murder victims names and, while doing so, claim that the wife is complicit in the murders to the public when LE has clearly stated she was out of country or state when the murders ccured. AND, it's critical to note that the G*M for RH's faily wasn't set up by them OR their attorney; it was set up by the daughter of a serial killer who knew/experinced exactlly what this family now is --- vengeful wrath for the misdeeds of the killer. He is soley responsible for his actions.

If the attorney has evidence/witness' to the contrary he has yet to advise LE of such.

The lawyer of AE stated in his interview that the G*M was set up by AE and the daughter of the other SK. The daughter of that SK noted on the G*M page that she had to wait to get permission from AE before setting it up. So, essentially, the fund is set up with AE's permission is how I interpret that. There is nothing wrong with having a G*M set up if people choose to donate. I just see the discrepancy of support in relation to the families of the murder victims and it makes me sad for everything they have lost in comparison. I also think the family members of past SK's seem to be making the rounds in interviews with this case, helping them to stay relevant, which in turn helps to monetize their social media and followers. MOO.

 

[Barbie619]

That is not true. The mitochondrial DNA from the hairs matches AE's haplogroup. (Page 26 of the PCA.)

It's not a precise match like nuclear DNA is, to identify an individual person, but it's more precise than blood typing, which we used to exclude or include subjects before we had DNA testing.

MOO

I heard this from Harrison's recent presser, I didn't make it up. He didn't commit to it being her's only that it was similar, which probably means what you just said. He probably didn't want to get technical with lab terms. I actually agree with you because it was covered here pretty extensively threads and threads ago. JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

Yeesh. It’s a nice gesture to want to give funds to help sex workers and escorts, but I feel like this is definitely…not the way to go about it. They couldn’t have thought of a more tasteful and appropriate way to keep the victim’s names alive? This just feels…icky to me. Just my own opinion.

The tastefulness/tastelessness of the jewellery aside, the org getting the donations, if it's the same org as in Australia, SWOP are good people. Run by sex workers, for sex workers. It's a legitimate organisation looking out for the safety of sex workers. In the Sydney Mardi Gras, they march every year alongside PWD (People With Disabilities). I worked in the same office as the local folks when I volunteered at our branch of ACON (AIDS Council of NSW) twenty years ago.

MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

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[iamshadow21]

I heard this from Harrison's recent presser, I didn't make it up. He didn't commit to it being her's only that it was similar, which probably means what you just said. He probably didn't want to get technical with lab terms. I actually agree with you because it was covered here pretty extensively threads and threads ago. JMO

I just didn't want any confusion, with the controversy in forensic science over visual hair comparison as evidence. (Much of its validity has been discredited.) They have a form of DNA that is consistent with AE, they aren't just looking at it under a microscope and claiming it's a match to her.

MOO

 

[CuriousCricket]

BBM. There seems to be jealousy amongst the lawyers about the fund-raising. I view the wife and children as victims and am glad the neighbors have treated them with such kindness.

JMO

I suspect the attorneys get great billable hours for "representing" their clients at press conferences, interviews, etc. In my opinion, AE and the children need to decide for themselves if such "representation" is in their best interests. Perhaps in other circumstances (numerous young people had NOT been murdered) such display might yield a different outcome. However, in these circumstances, it doesn't appear to me that such tactics are helpful to them. Again, only the lawyers are benefitting.

 

[Ruminations]

He's long enough in the game to know not to pull this kind of a nasty attention seeking stroke.

yet, here we are.

This helps nobody.
Either that or there is very real evidence that LE are not working as they should and I have not seen that at play with the G4s.

Ray would not make himself vulnerable to defamation or being disbarred.

He is only accusing AE of knowing that Rex had sex with sex workers in the basement, not knowing about murdering them.

Sometimes people really don't know what is right in front of their faces, so maybe Ray's witness is wrong even about knowing about sex with sex workers.

But I do not believe that Ray is wrong about the witness. There is too much at stake for him.

MOO

 

[thefragile7393]

Geez, it's one thing to like macabre items but quite another to profit from victims who still have family living and missing them.

the proceeds are going to charity

 

[x_files]

Yes, geoblocked again, but WOW, what a revelation within the quoted sentence!! A witness, who knows it, that the wife wasn't absent all the time!!
We're getting closer to the whole truth ......
As if I felt it. Or still feeling it.

If she was indeed home at the time, as Nancy Grace would say: BOMBSHELL, TONIGHT!

 

[thefragile7393]

Yeesh. It’s a nice gesture to want to give funds to help sex workers and escorts, but I feel like this is definitely…not the way to go about it. They couldn’t have thought of a more tasteful and appropriate way to keep the victim’s names alive? This just feels…icky to me. Just my own opinion.

The jewelry is pretty if a bit overpriced, I like the funds going to them...but yeah it seems very tasteless to be naming pieces for the victims and such. Just...create and such but don't name the pieces for the victims or anything

 

[x_files]

I also think the press conference was in poor taste. Her house got messed up because she is married to a serial killer. That isn’t her fault - but it also isn’t LEs fault.

Plus, IMO she is probably going to get paid out when the divorce finalizes. They owe 80k for three years of unpaid state income tax. Poor people don’t have NY state income tax bills like that. He would need to make 400k a year to owe that much.
IMO they seem to have lived very frugally so where is that money?
She will also get some portion of the proceeds from selling their property in NY and SC.
She needs to take her 40k money, go stay in Iceland with her family, and let her lawyers settle the divorce. Bonus - the healthcare in Iceland is probably cheaper and more accessible. MOO

I agree. She needs to lay low. The press and community aren't going to have much compassion if you are not mentioning the dead women her husband killed. It's not her fault or her family's fault but the attention needs to remain squarely front and center on these women who were brutally murdered.