Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #9

[Ruminations]

It’s not AE driving the gravy train, it’s reality TV/media - their leadership sees $$$$ in AE & family.

Ask Media CEOs why they aren’t offering victim families deals - or maybe they are?

Anyone offering or entering an offensive contract is behaving offensively, IMO.

This is offensive.

MOO. JMO. MOO

 

[Ruminations]

This is a nation with Capitalism as it's number one religion. It doesn't surprise me at all that people with the means or ability to capitalize on this tragedy are doing so.

Of course it is unjust, but justice and fairness almost never take priority within our socioeconomic systems.

I think it would be great to get money to the families of the victims and fix the systems that give more value to some humans than others but the demand for that simply is not as high as it is for money.

It's also difficult to believe that those of us here who are obsessed with this case, from a supposed victim centric view will all abstain from watching the documentaries on principle. We gobble up every bit.

Maybe you will be watching this offensive production, but I won't. I don't gobble stuff like this. It's odious.

MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

My original reply simply addressed the thought that this film event(s) was planned from as early as this July 31 visit. While that is possible, having this July photo with this November story does not necessarily mean that.

Yes, I understand what you mean. Thanks for explaining that.

 

[Teche]

That is rough but given her field, it shouldn't be impossible. There are jobs in that field that don't require front and center exposure or client contact. She could be looking at places like NYC Dept of Bldgs. She could even be an expediter for any number of construction companies. Maybe not at the salary she had (no idea what that was) and maybe below her level of experience (no idea what that is) but at least it keeps her in the game and she may even be able to set her own hours. We know this is what her father's business was so we have to assume she knows her way around this type of job.

jmo

Heck, there are plenty of job opportunities in the fast-food market and construction .

 

[Teche]

“They will be filmed throughout the trial and after the trial’s outcome,” one source said. “The family will tell their entire story and everything about their life (with Heuermann) exclusively to the (documentary filmmakers).”

Ellerup’s lawyer, Robert Macedonio, is said to have signed a $400,000 deal while Vess Mitev, a lawyer for Heuermann’s daughter Victoria and his stepson Christopher, is said to have been paid $200,000. When contacted, Mitev and Macedonio both declined comment.

There's a photo of the mother/daughter sitting in their attorney's office dated July 31. Seems they planned this two weeks after his arrest. Why else take a picture of them in one's office?

To me, it's always been about $$$$ to these people. MOO.

Makes me wish cameras would not be allowed during the trial. If money is dispersed, it should be for the victims’ families and not to the family of the alleged serial killer and their attorneys. What a payday. I do feel for Asa and her children.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

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Edit/update thereafter: my vote would be the prosecution should have the estranged wife on the proposed witness list - which as I understand would preclude their attendance during testimony or evidentiary proceedings.

This is complicated as she has filed for divorce. As of now, she can't be made to testify against him and he has the right to her not testifying against him. After the divorce is final, some things she can testify about, for the prosecution, if she chooses, but other things may be off limits such as personal private communications, as opposed to things she observed.
I think we will have to wait and see until close to trial time, to see if the divorce was finalized and if she still is supportive of him. A lot can change. I don't see the prosecution forcing/needing her as a witness to prove RH murdered three victims, especially when she may be uncooperative on the stand and seen as a victim. She can always agree to be called by the defense.
Edit to add, generally a witness is excluded from hearing other testimony that could influence/affect their own testimony. That wouldn't mean the entire trial, especially for this spouse, unless the judge was asked to order her to be excluded for all or part. Families are sometimes allowed to stay as observers and only excluded for certain testimony.


MOO


New York Court Discusses the Spousal Communication Privilege in a Medical Malpractice Matter

Federal law affords married parties a privilege with regard to confidential communications with their spouses. In order for the privilege to apply, the party invoking the privilege must show that the two parties whose communications are at issue were married at the time of the conversation, an actual communication is at issue, and the communication was made in confidence. Either spouse can invoke the privilege.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Ellerup’s lawyer, Robert Macedonio, is said to have signed a $400,000 deal while Vess Mitev, a lawyer for Heuermann’s daughter Victoria and his stepson Christopher, is said to have been paid $200,000. When contacted, Mitev and Macedonio both declined comment.

Wow, that's a bad look. jmo

There's a photo of the mother/daughter sitting in their attorney's office dated July 31. Seems they planned this two weeks after his arrest. Why else take a picture of them in one's office?

I noticed this too. You raise a good point. Makes you wonder if the legal team facilitated this - put feelers out to everyone and only Peacock bit.

jmo

 

[Forest_Wood]

Wow, that's a bad look. jmo


I noticed this too. You raise a good point. Makes you wonder if the legal team facilitated this - put feelers out to everyone and only Peacock bit.

jmo

That was around the same time the attorneys, and others, were trying to get the world to donate to their cause because they claimed she was so ill. Why else would the legal team be receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars if not for facilitating this and working as their agents. It's shocking this can even be permitted imo. The husband and father allegedly takes the lives of person after person and his family and attorneys receives fame and fortune as an outcome of those murders. MOO.

 

[Ruminations]

They'll be telling their story, but I don't for one moment believe it will be the true story of their relationship or their lives. Fiction reality television. I wonder if any of what they claim will be fact-checked along the way. MOO.

The good thing about this is that they won't be reliant on taxpayers to pay their way in life and they will have
to pay taxes on that money. Others will always want a claim of it, they'll be forever reliant on shady lawyers to try to keep it, and they'll never be free again because of their fifteen minutes of fame in this. MOO.

What does this do for the motivation and ability (both yet unshown) of Macedonio to represent AE?

Her interests are supposed to be first to her lawyer, above all but the Law in general.

But what if she wants/ needs/ should do something that could interfere with Macedonio's side work for 400k?

Wouldnt it make better TV and worse governmental outcomes if Asa did not speak to LE in private, where LE could use the information strategically, but teased it and put it out in her reality show to get subscribers? Wouldn't it make better TV and worse governmental outcomes if AE complained about her inconveniences like a routine (insofar as arrested alleged serial murderers is routine) house search, turning herself into the victim, as if her inconveniences are far more important than the crime victims, and as if M Moore and this million dollar documentary did not address the unpleasantness of this search at all? Wouldn't it take away the prosecutor's ability to tell the story he wants to jury to form with the facts, tying them to conclude without a reasonable doubt that the defendant is a murderer, when jurors woukd likely have been exposed to a (inaccurate) narrative where AE is the victim of LE, but murder victims are ignored to the point they fade in importance? If jurors think of LE has messy home searchers rather than dogged investigators, how does this help justice?

Now, neither Asa nor Macedonia are incentivized to do anything but make great TV. I hold that AE has no business putting herself in front of the murder victims families. But that does not mean she is not in an awful situation, and maybe she needs legAl rep. If she does, she doesn't have it now. She basically has a macabre talent agent, with a serious criminal past, whose incentive structure is potentially at odds with AE's best interests.

(Interestingly, the incentivization Structure is not at adds with Rex's defense.)

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

Spoon feed said this:

"This is complicated as she has filed for divorce. As of now, she can't be made to testify against him and he has the right to her not testifying against him. After the divorce is final, some things she can testify about, for the prosecution, if she chooses, but other things may be off limits such as personal private communications, as opposed to things she observed.
"I think we will have to wait and see until close to trial time, to see if the divorce was finalized and if she still is supportive of him. A lot can change. I don't see the prosecution forcing/needing her as a witness to prove RH murdered three victims, especially when she may be uncooperative on the stand and seen as a victim. She can always agree to be called by the defense.
"Edit to add, generally a witness is excluded from hearing other testimony that could influence/affect their own testimony. That wouldn't mean the entire trial, especially for this spouse, unless the judge was asked to order her to be excluded for all or part. Families are sometimes allowed to stay as observers and only excluded for certain testimony.


"MOO


" New York Court Discusses the Spousal Communication Privilege in a Medical Malpractice Matter

"Federal law affords married parties a privilege with regard to confidential communications with their spouses. In order for the privilege to apply, the party invoking the privilege must show that the two parties whose communications are at issue were married at the time of the conversation, an actual communication is at issue, and the communication was made in confidence. Either spouse can invoke the privilege.
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For clarity, Rex is charged with crimes. This is not civil court, like medical malpractice. Different spousal privileges will apply. Different exceptions will apply. So your research is flawed, but I'd say very premature, so no worries.

IMO, you have the "let's wait" thing upside-down. First let us investigate and learn all we can, and then worry about what can and can't go to trial closer to trial time. We don't wait until trial time to find out that an investigative lead would have been useful--- shucks, privilege wouldn't have applied---bummer we are not prepared. You are suggesting to fail to uncover facts because the only available witness might be able to invoke a privilege or at least testify hostily.

I find it logically impossible that AE has nothing of interest for EITHER the defense or the prosecution. Double-life, blah, blah, blah. She knows something inculpating or exculpating. The only thing that is possible is that NEITHER she nor Macedonio knows just what is useful or how. So Macedonio also needs to drop opining that she woukd have nothing useful. He is not the investigator. He does not know. (I hope.)

Macedonio might be taking multiple symbiotic actions that enrich him and help Rex's defense (notably the 400k contract), but he is not Rex's attorney and presumably has no access to anything other than public information in the case against Rex. Agreed? He in theory does not know which observations of AE would help the investigator, except where it relates to public ally released information.

This whole Macedonio thing was sordid. Until he signed with a production company and it got even worse.

MOO

edited: I really don't know how I lost the boxes and highlights from the post I replied to. Sorry if clarity is lost.

 

[madamx]

<modsnip> ... The family have signed a seven-figure deal $1m for documentary:

Gilgo Beach, Idaho killers' families set to earn millions by selling their stories

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann may be in jail facing murder charges but he also ruined the lives of his family members, who have had to resort to selling their life rights to pay…

www.newsnationnow.com

This is “documentary” thing is absolutely disgusting. I am actually Angered and Heartbroken for the real victims in the case.

The people who suddenly were murdered and unexpectedly ripped off the face of the earth by some sicko pervert or sicko pervert(s).

The children who grew up motherless. The parents, the siblings who were left with the agonizing pain of not knowing where there family member was for years. Only to find out they were in Some bizarre mass grave out off a creepy desolate highway on Long Island.

And now a another kick in the gut to these poor families… A pathetic network will be paying this random woman and her Lawyer to tell “HER” story? In a”Documentary” Really?!? You’ve gotto be kidding.

They are making this woman the $tar?!…of what?!? .. If it was not for the “real murdered victims” there would be No “documentary” at all.

What is this one going to be called?!
Serial Killer House Wives of Long Island?! Yes, it’s That Bad!!! .. and Worst of all is the fact that she is actually going along with with the whole circus!! Wow just wow…you can’t make this up if you tried…This really shows the true colors of some people.. It’s truly amazing what people will do for money and how embarrassingly desperate they can look while they do it…

And once again I point out…what about the “real victims” some whom Still remain nameless..one being a little kid!!

If Rex were my husband I would of changed my name bought a wig and be hiding under a rock on another planet by now… get my drift!

JMO.. with a bit of sarcasm.. (insert my old nyc accent)

 

[Megnut]

Dbm
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[Megnut]

Carrying this over from @Ruminations

Rsbm

"Macedonio might be taking multiple symbiotic actions that enrich him..."

Exactly.

To me, this explains the documentary/docuseries. Exploitive -- and enterprising -- likely sees it as a way to monopolize on the publicity -- generate income for the client who signed his retainer before the inevitable airings without compensation.

I have mixed emotions.

At least this way she has some control over the invasion into their privacy.

I'm just not altogether sure her attorney has all of her best interests at heart. Including optics.

JMO

 

[Ruminations]

This is “documentary” thing is absolutely disgusting. I am actually Angered and Heartbroken for the real victims in the case.

The people who suddenly were murdered and unexpectedly ripped off the face of the earth by some sicko pervert or sicko pervert(s).

The children who grew up motherless. The parents, the siblings who were left with the agonizing pain of not knowing where there family member was for years. Only to find out they were in Some bizarre mass grave out off a creepy desolate highway on Long Island.

And now a another kick in the gut to these poor families… A pathetic network will be paying this random woman and her Lawyer to tell “HER” story? In a”Documentary” Really?!? You’ve gotto be kidding.

They are making this woman the $tar?!…of what?!? .. If it was not for the “real murdered victims” there would be No “documentary” at all.

What is this one going to be called?!
Serial Killer House Wives of Long Island?! Yes, it’s That Bad!!! .. and Worst of all is the fact that she is actually going along with with the whole circus!! Wow just wow…you can’t make this up if you tried…This really shows the true colors of some people.. It’s truly amazing what people will do for money and how embarrassingly desperate they can look while they do it…

And once again I point out…what about the “real victims” some whom Still remain nameless..one being a little kid!!

If Rex were my husband I would of changed my name bought a wig and be hiding under a rock on another planet by now… get my drift!

JMO.. with a bit of sarcasm.. (insert my old nyc accent)

Agreed. It especially gets to me that youth and young adults grew up never knowing or barely remembering their mothers. You couldn't wave a million at me to make me ignore those innocents.

Macedonio is making a fool of himself claiming AE would have nothing (inculpating or exculpating) to say to LE, when he shouldn't know, not being with the prosecution or the defense. And when it just appears impossible that AE know nothing, given the close quarters.

Yet somehow she has a million dollar story for a production company? How can both be true? Nothing for LE, and a 7 figure story for the TV?

I am sickened by this.

JMO

 

[Ruminations]

Carrying this over from @Ruminations

Rsbm

"Macedonio might be taking multiple symbiotic actions that enrich him..."

Exactly.

To me, this explains the documentary/docuseries. Exploitive -- and enterprising -- likely sees it as a way to monopolize on the publicity -- generate income for the client who signed his retainer before the inevitable airings without compensation.

I have mixed emotions.

At least this way she has some control over the invasion into their privacy.

I'm just not altogether sure her attorney has all of her best interests at heart. Including optics.

JMO

This production helps Rex even more than AE, IMO

MOO

 

[madamx]

Agreed. It especially gets to me that youth and young adults grew up never knowing or barely remembering their mothers. You couldn't wave a million at me to make me ignore those innocents.

Macedonio is making a fool of himself claiming AE would have nothing (inculpating or exculpating) to say to LE, when he shouldn't know, not being with the prosecution or the defense. And when it just appears impossible that AE know nothing, given the close quarters.

Yet somehow she has a million dollar story for a production company? How can both be true? Nothing for LE, and a 7 figure story for the TV?

I am sickened by this.

JMO

Absolutely… it’s seriously disgusting.

 

[CuriousCricket]

I'm just not altogether sure her attorney has all of her best interests at heart. Including optics.

JMO

I suspect you and others on this forum may be more concerned about appearances than she or her attorney either. JMOO

 

[Teche]

What does this do for the motivation and ability (both yet unshown) of Macedonio to represent AE?

Her interests are supposed to be first to her lawyer, above all but the Law in general.

But what if she wants/ needs/ should do something that could interfere with Macedonio's side work for 400k?

Wouldnt it make better TV and worse governmental outcomes if Asa did not speak to LE in private, where LE could use the information strategically, but teased it and put it out in her reality show to get subscribers? Wouldn't it make better TV and worse governmental outcomes if AE complained about her inconveniences like a routine (insofar as arrested alleged serial murderers is routine) house search, turning herself into the victim, as if her inconveniences are far more important than the crime victims, and as if M Moore and this million dollar documentary did not address the unpleasantness of this search at all? Wouldn't it take away the prosecutor's ability to tell the story he wants to jury to form with the facts, tying them to conclude without a reasonable doubt that the defendant is a murderer, when jurors woukd likely have been exposed to a (inaccurate) narrative where AE is the victim of LE, but murder victims are ignored to the point they fade in importance? If jurors think of LE has messy home searchers rather than dogged investigators, how does this help justice?

Now, neither Asa nor Macedonia are incentivized to do anything but make great TV. I hold that AE has no business putting herself in front of the murder victims families. But that does not mean she is not in an awful situation, and maybe she needs legAl rep. If she does, she doesn't have it now. She basically has a macabre talent agent, with a serious criminal past, whose incentive structure is potentially at odds with AE's best interests.

(Interestingly, the incentivization Structure is not at adds with Rex's defense.)

MOO

I guess she’ll need to refund the GiveMeMoney funds. That would be the right thing to do. Maybe she’ll donate the Peacock funds.

 

[CuriousCricket]

I guess she’ll need to refund the GiveMeMoney funds. That would be the right thing to do. Maybe she’ll donate the Peacock funds.

I personally can't imagine that for a minute. Are you seriously thinking that is a possibility?
If so, you and I are seeing two completely different people.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I guess she’ll need to refund the GiveMeMoney funds. That would be the right thing to do. Maybe she’ll donate the Peacock funds.

Good thought, although I can't imagine they would ever part with any free money they've received to date. There's been nothing to indicate any one of them would freely donate any of the documentary funds they receive either. I don't see them as the kind of people who are givers; only takers. MOO.