Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 6 murders, July 2023 #14

[AppleTreeGreen]

Random comments and questions, fwiw, imo, speculation.
Assuming RH is lefthanded from the photo below, or is that only when he is working ''on his tablet'' with a beer can in his right hand?
Did RH ever contact the brothers of his alleged victims, or just the sisters?
Where did he make the calls from - home, his car, commuting, at work, from a bar?
Did he do it when wife and kids were in town, what time of day or night?

Does he only contact sisters, did he specifically choose victims who had happened to have sisters?
Did he prefer (not just petite women), but those with ''bright blue eyes'', like himself (family trait), and Barthelemy?
As someone who lost his father when young, he would know the exquisite pain his taunting phone calls would be for his victim's sisters.
Was RH taunted soon after his father died, was something unkind said to him about his siblings, his father?

March '24 rbbm

Redditor shares picture mocking suspected Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann — taken nearly 8 years before capture: ‘Crazy s—t’

A stunned Long Islander unknowingly posted a picture of Gilgo Beach serial killing suspect Rex Heuermann all the way back in 2015 — almost eight years before the hulking architect would be ch…

nypost.com

''The unnamed commuter, a former CVS employee, posted the image of Heuermann nursing a tall can of beer in a brown paper bag while riding the Long Island Railroad Babylon line.
Wearing glasses and with a brown leather jacket hung nearby, the accused killer appears to be working on a tablet in the haunting picture dated March 9, 2015.''
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2023 rbbm.

'The Long Island Serial Killer': How cell phones and a pizza box led to a suspect in 3 cases

For years, investigators searched for the person responsible for dead bodies that were found on a Long Island beach. This summer, they caught a big break.

abcnews.go.com

''Sara Karnes was sitting in her Times Square hotel room when she says she received a cell phone call from a blocked number.

She said the voice on the other line, an unknown male caller who was calm and matter of fact, revealed personal details about her friend, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, who vanished days earlier in July 2007 while working as an escort in New York City.
"'I just saw her,'" Karnes recalls the man saying. "'She's at a whorehouse in Queens.'"
''The authorities claim the killer also used the cell phone of one of his victims, Melissa Barthelemy, to make a series of taunting phone calls to her family in Buffalo, N.Y., in the summer of 2009. Those calls allegedly pinged from towers near New York's Penn Station and other areas of Manhattan''.

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https://pix11.com/news/local-news/long-island/giglo-murder-suspect-allegedly-taunted-victims-sister-in-a-series-of-threatening-calls/

"I'm watching your sister rot," the killer said to Barthelemy's younger sister, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the phone calls.''
"Every time I talk about it, it doesn't get any easier," Karnes said. "She had these bright blue eyes. She was very outgoing, very outspoken."

''Amanda F. told PIX11 News the man cruelly called her family seven times, using her sister’s cellphone shortly after Barthelemy disappeared in 2009.
“He killed Melissa after having sex with her,” Amanda F. recounted. “In the final call, he said he’d killed her.”
That final call was Aug. 26, 2009, according to Tierney, who released the dates of the seven calls during Heuermann’s criminal arraignment Friday.''

Why Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann may have called victims’ families: forensic psychiatrist

“Since Rex Heuermann is a serial sexual sadist, he was not satisfied by killing, and likely torturing, his victims,” Dr. Carole Lierberman told Newsweek.

nypost.com

“He needed to taunt their families with calls to gloat about having killed their loved ones, in order to inflict pain on them, as well.”
“Is this Melissa’s little sister?” an anonymous male voice asked the victim’s then-16-year-old sister, Amanda, during one phone call.
“Do you know what your sister is doing? She’s a *advertiser censored*.”

That was always something that stood out to me because of how comfortable he seemed making those disgusting comments in a crowded and busy place like Penn Station or on a train where other might sit near to you by chance overhear.

I can’t even imagine the look on a person’s face or their response if they overheard him. For me I would probably react with a facial expression and not even mean to and immediately regret it bc he is obviously not the type of person’s whose attention you want to attract.

And you’re absolutely right. Did he ever call the brothers, fathers or boyfriends of his victims or did he again mainly target women?

I also recall that he had the added audacity to refer to AB as a half-breed. My first thoughts to that were first of all, gross. Secondly, racist. Thirdly, who even says that or even uses that derogatory term anymore? Let alone in public, where other people, including people of color could also hear you? That language alone I feel would grab people’s attention. Also, where did he come from/where did he come from on LI that people used that term or language?

 

[Izzylizzy]

RH's 6 murders are on one indictment so unless Tierney decides otherwise it will be one trial.
Suffolk Chief Asst DA Bode says it will take 1.5-2 yrs to bring this to trial.
The jury selection process will certainly be an interesting one.
Getting a change of venue?
They'd have to get off LI.
I don't think it will go to trial, a plea deal with support for it from the victim's families.

 

[snooptroop88]

87 Chilling Details: Alleged Gilgo Beach Serial Killer's Checklist Revealed

A hard drive recovered from Heuermann's basement hosted a Microsoft Word document which seemed to be his "planning document."

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What are the "large electrical clips" for? Does he mean like alligator clips?

 

[LadyL]

Random comments and questions, fwiw, imo, speculation.
Assuming RH is lefthanded from the photo below, or is that only when he is working ''on his tablet'' with a beer can in his right hand?
Did RH ever contact the brothers of his alleged victims, or just the sisters?
Where did he make the calls from - home, his car, commuting, at work, from a bar?
Did he do it when wife and kids were in town, what time of day or night?

Does he only contact sisters, did he specifically choose victims who had happened to have sisters?
Did he prefer (not just petite women), but those with ''bright blue eyes'', like himself (family trait), and Barthelemy?
As someone who lost his father when young, he would know the exquisite pain his taunting phone calls would be for his victim's sisters.
Was RH taunted soon after his father died, was something unkind said to him about his siblings, his father?

March '24 rbbm

Redditor shares picture mocking suspected Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann — taken nearly 8 years before capture: ‘Crazy s—t’

A stunned Long Islander unknowingly posted a picture of Gilgo Beach serial killing suspect Rex Heuermann all the way back in 2015 — almost eight years before the hulking architect would be ch…

nypost.com

''The unnamed commuter, a former CVS employee, posted the image of Heuermann nursing a tall can of beer in a brown paper bag while riding the Long Island Railroad Babylon line.
Wearing glasses and with a brown leather jacket hung nearby, the accused killer appears to be working on a tablet in the haunting picture dated March 9, 2015.''
View attachment 511490
2023 rbbm.

'The Long Island Serial Killer': How cell phones and a pizza box led to a suspect in 3 cases

For years, investigators searched for the person responsible for dead bodies that were found on a Long Island beach. This summer, they caught a big break.

abcnews.go.com

''Sara Karnes was sitting in her Times Square hotel room when she says she received a cell phone call from a blocked number.

She said the voice on the other line, an unknown male caller who was calm and matter of fact, revealed personal details about her friend, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, who vanished days earlier in July 2007 while working as an escort in New York City.
"'I just saw her,'" Karnes recalls the man saying. "'She's at a whorehouse in Queens.'"
''The authorities claim the killer also used the cell phone of one of his victims, Melissa Barthelemy, to make a series of taunting phone calls to her family in Buffalo, N.Y., in the summer of 2009. Those calls allegedly pinged from towers near New York's Penn Station and other areas of Manhattan''.

2023 rbbm

https://pix11.com/news/local-news/long-island/giglo-murder-suspect-allegedly-taunted-victims-sister-in-a-series-of-threatening-calls/

"I'm watching your sister rot," the killer said to Barthelemy's younger sister, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the phone calls.''
"Every time I talk about it, it doesn't get any easier," Karnes said. "She had these bright blue eyes. She was very outgoing, very outspoken."

''Amanda F. told PIX11 News the man cruelly called her family seven times, using her sister’s cellphone shortly after Barthelemy disappeared in 2009.
“He killed Melissa after having sex with her,” Amanda F. recounted. “In the final call, he said he’d killed her.”
That final call was Aug. 26, 2009, according to Tierney, who released the dates of the seven calls during Heuermann’s criminal arraignment Friday.''

Why Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann may have called victims’ families: forensic psychiatrist

“Since Rex Heuermann is a serial sexual sadist, he was not satisfied by killing, and likely torturing, his victims,” Dr. Carole Lierberman told Newsweek.

nypost.com

“He needed to taunt their families with calls to gloat about having killed their loved ones, in order to inflict pain on them, as well.”
“Is this Melissa’s little sister?” an anonymous male voice asked the victim’s then-16-year-old sister, Amanda, during one phone call.
“Do you know what your sister is doing? She’s a *advertiser censored*.”

good catch - the left-handed info will likely come into play in the future

 

[FromGermany1]

2023 rbbm
https://pix11.com/news/local-news/long-island/giglo-murder-suspect-allegedly-taunted-victims-sister-in-a-series-of-threatening-calls/ "I'm watching your sister rot," the killer said to Barthelemy's younger sister, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the phone calls.''
"Every time I talk about it, it doesn't get any easier," Karnes said. "She had these bright blue eyes. She was very outgoing, very outspoken."

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Did he indeed? Returned to the places, his victims were disposed, and actively watched their declining condition? I can imagine him doing that.

 

[sunspun]

Random comments and questions, fwiw, imo, speculation.
Assuming RH is lefthanded from the photo below, or is that only when he is working ''on his tablet'' with a beer can in his right hand?
Did RH ever contact the brothers of his alleged victims, or just the sisters?
Where did he make the calls from - home, his car, commuting, at work, from a bar?
Did he do it when wife and kids were in town, what time of day or night?

Does he only contact sisters, did he specifically choose victims who had happened to have sisters?
Did he prefer (not just petite women), but those with ''bright blue eyes'', like himself (family trait), and Barthelemy?
As someone who lost his father when young, he would know the exquisite pain his taunting phone calls would be for his victim's sisters.
Was RH taunted soon after his father died, was something unkind said to him about his siblings, his father?

March '24 rbbm

Redditor shares picture mocking suspected Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann — taken nearly 8 years before capture: ‘Crazy s—t’

A stunned Long Islander unknowingly posted a picture of Gilgo Beach serial killing suspect Rex Heuermann all the way back in 2015 — almost eight years before the hulking architect would be ch…

nypost.com

''The unnamed commuter, a former CVS employee, posted the image of Heuermann nursing a tall can of beer in a brown paper bag while riding the Long Island Railroad Babylon line.
Wearing glasses and with a brown leather jacket hung nearby, the accused killer appears to be working on a tablet in the haunting picture dated March 9, 2015.''
View attachment 511490
2023 rbbm.

'The Long Island Serial Killer': How cell phones and a pizza box led to a suspect in 3 cases

For years, investigators searched for the person responsible for dead bodies that were found on a Long Island beach. This summer, they caught a big break.

abcnews.go.com

''Sara Karnes was sitting in her Times Square hotel room when she says she received a cell phone call from a blocked number.

She said the voice on the other line, an unknown male caller who was calm and matter of fact, revealed personal details about her friend, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, who vanished days earlier in July 2007 while working as an escort in New York City.
"'I just saw her,'" Karnes recalls the man saying. "'She's at a whorehouse in Queens.'"
''The authorities claim the killer also used the cell phone of one of his victims, Melissa Barthelemy, to make a series of taunting phone calls to her family in Buffalo, N.Y., in the summer of 2009. Those calls allegedly pinged from towers near New York's Penn Station and other areas of Manhattan''.

2023 rbbm

https://pix11.com/news/local-news/long-island/giglo-murder-suspect-allegedly-taunted-victims-sister-in-a-series-of-threatening-calls/

"I'm watching your sister rot," the killer said to Barthelemy's younger sister, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the phone calls.''
"Every time I talk about it, it doesn't get any easier," Karnes said. "She had these bright blue eyes. She was very outgoing, very outspoken."

''Amanda F. told PIX11 News the man cruelly called her family seven times, using her sister’s cellphone shortly after Barthelemy disappeared in 2009.
“He killed Melissa after having sex with her,” Amanda F. recounted. “In the final call, he said he’d killed her.”
That final call was Aug. 26, 2009, according to Tierney, who released the dates of the seven calls during Heuermann’s criminal arraignment Friday.''

Why Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann may have called victims’ families: forensic psychiatrist

“Since Rex Heuermann is a serial sexual sadist, he was not satisfied by killing, and likely torturing, his victims,” Dr. Carole Lierberman told Newsweek.

nypost.com

“He needed to taunt their families with calls to gloat about having killed their loved ones, in order to inflict pain on them, as well.”
“Is this Melissa’s little sister?” an anonymous male voice asked the victim’s then-16-year-old sister, Amanda, during one phone call.
“Do you know what your sister is doing? She’s a *advertiser censored*.”

How hideous. Repulsive. I feel ill after reading about him calling their family for no reason but to inflict MORE pain. He wasn't done. Killing her hadn't been enough to satisfy his lust to inflict pain on another human being. The victim was now dead. He couldn't hurt her any more. So he thought of someone else he could hurt, so he could keep it going. And called up her LITTLE SISTER! How little? How old was she? Wonder if she had already been aware of how her sister made money, or if he was telling her something she didn't know. I wonder if she said anything back to him when he called her. There probably wasn't anything she could have said that would make him feel even a twinge of shame, remorse, empathy. He's missing something that makes him not human. IMO.

 

[snooptroop88]

Pure speculation looking at the roadways he notes in the document: The pick up area is probably where he picks up SWs at their hotels, Patchogue and Hauppauge are mentioned in association the “recon” surveillance roadways he notes. These roadways cover areas I’ve seen mentioned in association with some of these cases. Megan Waterman, 22, from Maine was seen alive for the last time at the Hotel Inn Express in Hauppauge, New York. New York State Route 111 (NYS-11) runs into Hauppauge.

Southern State Parkway runs right through Hempstead Lake State Park, where they found Peaches. It starts in Queens, where Sandra Costilla had an address. It stretches into Oyster Bay and Babylon, where he picked up Amber.
495/Long Island Expressway cuts through very close to Islandia, where Colleen McNamee (Bittrolff) was last seen at a diner. Rt 112 has its terminus in Patchogue. Patchogue isn’t far from the Sayville Motor Lodge (JR witness/Shannan Gilbert). Sayville Motor Lodge was eventually closed down because of drug trafficking and prostitution.

I wanted to see if the roadways noted would have mattered in terms of Karen Vergata. I looked up to see where Karen Vergata was living up to the time of her murder, and I’m seeing W. 45th St., Hell’s Kitchen. KV was murdered in 1996. W. 45th St. in NYC/Hell’s Kitchen had a number of burlesk clubs since it was quite close to Times Square, which was a very different Times Square at the time. Cottingham used to frequent Times Square. The area underwent change in 1998 when Giuliani closed down the clubs. I don’t think the roadways would be much of a factor, but this location specifically with W. 45th/Hell’s Kitchen may at that time have been frequented by RH.

Why’s RH hitting to “take down” if he’s using the house? If he can get the victims into the house (which a victim is probably not going to find on its face suspicious), drugging would be a much better option if he’s concerned about noise. If he’s hitting to “take down,” my guess is they’re not going to the house. They’re going to some secluded area in the woods and when the time comes to actually get out of the vehicle, the SW is going to know this is big trouble and not a regular job. So it’s out in a secluded area, and RH now feels comfortable striking the victim there. Screaming at that stage probably won’t help the victim, but RH doesn’t want it occurring regardless. Pure speculation. Not saying he "never" killed in that home, but I definitely don't think he routinely did, or that he always did. If he is murdering the victims in the house, he knows someone outside may see that person go in, watch, and never see the person come out. It doesn't seem like this would be a good option for RH.

 

[TOMBISHOP]

In realtà, sono giunto a una conclusione su questo argomento (il significato di MISS-LEADER nella RH) di cui sono molto sicuro! E ci ho pensato molto. Ora penso che il significato sia evidente se considerato nel contesto degli altri elementi da lui elencati. MISS-LEADERS si presenta quando parla di cose che potrebbero diventare problemi (o forse lo hanno già fatto) quando LE stabilisce una connessione con qualcosa che ha usato o lasciato indietro, o il MODO in cui ha fatto qualcosa (il suo MO), che potrebbe eventualmente portare il indagini nella sua direzione o far sì che LE veda che gli omicidi sono collegati allo stesso assassino. Come impronte di scarpe o battistrada di pneumatici. O modelli coerenti nel modus operandi (MO)

Quindi, mentre pensa a queste cose (problemi) che potrebbero portarli nella sua direzione, aggiunge alla voce "MISS-LEADERS?", perché si rende conto che potrebbe essere in grado di lasciare intenzionalmente certe cose, o fare deliberatamente certe cose in modo diverso. , per cercare di distogliere l'attenzione da lui e indurlo a guardare in un'altra direzione LONTANO da lui. Ad esempio, forse lasciando dietro di sé qualcosa come trucioli di metallo (se non è qualcosa che normalmente avrebbe mai avuto motivo di lasciarsi alle spalle). Quindi ora penseranno di dover guardare i metalmeccanici o qualsiasi altra cosa che quell'"indizio" potrebbe indicare. Magari aggiungendo di proposito alcune impronte di scarpe del corpo che sono più piccole della sua misura di scarpe. Forse se avesse mutilato un corpo in un modo mai fatto prima, o lo avesse "confezionato" in modo diverso... qualcosa che potesse aiutare le autorità a MISS-LEAD (ingannare) a pensare a qualcosa di diverso da ciò che potrebbe condurle a lui, o a collegare gli omicidi sarebbero stati commessi dalla stessa persona.

Sa cosa sono le "piste" e che sono qualcosa di positivo per gli investigatori, ma di dannoso per lui. Quindi penso che gli sia venuta l'idea dell'opposto dei protagonisti, il che sarebbe un male per loro ma un bene per lui. Inganna! O come le chiamava lui, MISS-LEADERS.

Quindi credo che con MISS-LEADERS intendesse qualsiasi cosa che potesse indurre in errore coloro che cercavano di risolvere un crimine da lui commesso. Cose che potrebbe inventare che lo aiuterebbero distogliendo l'attenzione da lui, e che potrebbero anche compensare alcuni degli aspetti negativi creati dalle cose che ha elencato come PROBLEMI. Quindi diciamo che, se non fosse riuscito a evitare di lasciare tracce di pneumatici vicino al punto in cui ha lasciato il corpo, potrebbe aiutare a compensare il problema, se potesse in qualche modo lasciare più tracce di pneumatici che apparissero diverse da quelle dei suoi pneumatici nella stessa area (non so come sarebbe in grado di farlo, quindi probabilmente un cattivo esempio!) Ma spero che tu abbia capito l'idea. (Ovviamente non sarei un buon SK perché quello era l'unico altro esempio a cui potevo pensare!) Ma sento che ci sarebbero molti altri modi se ci pensasse.

E penso che sia quello che ha pensato anche lui quando lo ha scritto sulla sua lista. E penso che sia seguito da un punto interrogativo, perché questo era qualcosa a cui forse aveva appena pensato quando ha stilato la lista, o qualcosa che aveva ancora bisogno di essere approfondito (pessima scelta delle parole, ugh). Quindi qualcosa a cui doveva ancora pensare prima di farlo. Qualcosa a cui aveva pensato sarebbe stato probabilmente utile, ma aveva ancora bisogno di studiare di più prima di sapere se fosse una buona idea o meno.

Sembra che gli sia venuto in mente mentre elencava tutte queste cose che erano potenziali problemi e che avrebbero potuto farlo catturare... A MENO CHE... a meno che non ci fossero cose che avrebbe potuto fare per INGANNARLI su un diverso percorso investigativo, che portasse ovunque tranne che a lui. E ovviamente pensa di essere un super-genio, più intelligente di tutti gli LE in ogni caso, e potrebbe aver iniziato a pensare di poter praticamente dire loro cosa o come pensare, semplicemente lasciando loro di proposito degli indizi che in realtà erano anti-indizi! In modo da poter recuperare parte di quel controllo che ha sempre sentito di dover avere in ogni situazione, IMO. Commettere atti così barbari, selvaggi e folli doveva comportare necessariamente la rinuncia ad un certo controllo sulla situazione, poiché le cose non vanno mai esattamente come previsto o come lui vorrebbe, poiché la sua preda erano gli UMANI, noti per essere imprevedibili, per mettere leggermente. Identificare e impiegare alcuni elementi o azioni intelligenti (per lui) fuorvianti, ecc. Potrebbe restituirgli parte di quel controllo perduto, permettendogli di deviare le indagini lontano da se stesso.

Non so se sono riuscito a spiegarlo molto bene, ma aggiungo che penso che sia un'ottima idea da usare per qualcuno nella sua posizione, se ci pensa abbastanza e gli viene qualche idea sulle cose sarebbero buoni fuorviamenti. Certamente aggiungerebbe confusione, il che renderebbe meno facile la soluzione, e potrebbe persino far sì che qualcun altro venga incolpato per i crimini da lui commessi! Se lo ha fatto bene. Il che sarebbe una cosa terribile per tutti, tranne ovviamente per lui. Per lui sarebbe la cosa migliore. Comunque, non sono bravo a spiegare le cose, ma ho pensato che dovevo provarci comunque. Penso davvero che questo sia ciò che intendeva.

I agree with everything...
I had made a post about it on the presumed call that RH had made to JZ and RM authors of "the killing season" during filming to mislead them.. still wondering how he did it with no one who reasoned with me

 

[TOMBISHOP]

all'inizio, quando tutti abbiamo iniziato a cercare di capirlo... ho scritto qui da qualche parte che pensavo che questo ragazzo dovesse essere grosso e almeno 6'4" per gestire il terreno nella palude, che probabilmente aveva legato il corpi in modo da poterli lanciare dal retro del suo pick-up e oltre il rovo dove sono stati trovati. Se fossi abbastanza alto potresti dondolarti e lanciarti nell'area in cui sono stati scoperti.
Non sono sicuro che sia davvero possibile, ma è quello che immaginavo... beh, di sicuro è alto e ha un grosso vecchio pick up... sì. quindi forse... penso decisamente che perseguitasse e adescasse le sue vittime. Penso che abbia chiamato la famiglia di Shannon, penso che sia un assassino scandalosamente audace e abbia corso dei seri rischi, il che potrebbe essere il motivo per cui ha iniziato a fare elenchi e ad organizzarsi ulteriormente. muggire

if you look for a point on the map of the discovery you will notice how it is not possible from the road to the north to be able to throw a body up there...
she must have gotten there from the closed streets of the residences below the ones she took to escape...

 

[Ruminations]

Macedonio lost his law license then Spota stepped in.

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So, Macedonio basically owes his ability to practice law to Spota. Spota is a key player in the systemic, institutionalized corruption in SC.

And with that origin story, Macedonio appeared like magic to start saying unkind things about both the investigation and Asa herself, whom he theoretically represented. ("She has to focus on her mental heath." Don't we all have to? But an announcement like that sounded to me like he was gaslighting her rather than representing her.)

Macedonio is theoretically representing Asa, but spends air time defending Rex and bashing John Ray. Note that the person who assembled the task force and oversaw its most productive months embraced John Ray's information and encouraged witnesses unwilling or unable to approach LE to approach John Ray.

One minor but irksome thing Macedonio said on Court TV was that the task force was assembled by Tierney. No, it was not! It was assembled by Commissioner Rodney Harrison. There was some tension between them, but in my opinion, Rodney Harrison's leadership highlighted all the best in Tierney. The kind words that I have for Tierney are because of Rodney Harrison. Rodney Harrison had a "no egos" rule which Macedonio violated.

The person who was most instrumental in identifying a suspect [Rex] to surveil and ultimately arrest was a State Trooper. Without Rodney Harrison's leadership, Tierney would not have had access to talent from agencies outside of Suffolk County.

IMO, Macedonio is trying to interfere with the investigation into LISK.

MOO

 

[Ann99]

Following along daily, but I still miss some things.
In reference to the photo of RH working on tablet with left hand, holding what we assume to be a beer in paper bag, in the right hand.
Has there been any mention of RH having other addictions in addition to the obvious.
Wondering if he is also an alcoholic. Or other drugs. Just curious.
It seems serial killers usually have multiple substance addictions .

 

[Ruminations]

RH's 6 murders are on one indictment so unless Tierney decides otherwise it will be one trial.
Suffolk Chief Asst DA Bode says it will take 1.5-2 yrs to bring this to trial.
The jury selection process will certainly be an interesting one.
Getting a change of venue?
They'd have to get off LI.
I don't think it will go to trial, a plea deal with support for it from the victim's families.

It will be frustratingly long for an anticipated conviction. Defense will probably delay as much as possible if determined to go to trial. Trial is very unlikely to have a good outcome for the defendant, but delays help defense when witnesses become less effective, and can more easily have their memories impeached.

At this point, with some standard of cause, other municipalities can request Rex DNA as Nevada did. But conviction puts the DNA into CODIS.

MOO

 

[snooptroop88]

In 2018, RH gave testimony in a vehicular related lawsuit where he was the plaintiff. He discussed his "handedness" (left v right) at that time. I've had this testimony in mind whenever someone raises this issue. I'm going to try to paste it right in here with the link.

On p79, the questioner asks RH if he is right-handed or left-handed.
A. Left.
Q. So do you write with your left hand?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you play any sports?
A. Really only thing I competed in was competition rifle.
Q. If you were to throw a baseball, what hand would you use?
A. Actually, my right. It's the only thing I do right-handed.
Q. Did you ever bowl in your life?
A. At some point, I remember being on a bowling alley--I have not been on a bowling alley in, probably, twenty/20 something years.
Q. If you were to bowl, throw a bowling ball, which arm would you use?
A. Anything that I throw, I do right-handed.
Q. If you were to swing a bat or a golf club, would you do that right-handed or left-handed?
A. Last time I swung a golf club or a bat, again, would be twenty-something years ago; would be right-handed.
Q. I assume when you say you write with your left hand, are you claiming to be left-handed or right-handed?
A. I am left-handed.
Q. What else would you do left-handed?
A. Pretty much almost anything else. Swing a hammer is left-handed. The use of any carpentry tools is left-handed. If I was to throw a baseball or a dart, that would be right-handed.
Q. When you eat--
A. Left.
Q. ~--do you cut your meat with your right hand and hold the fork in the left hand and then feed yourself with your left hand --
A. I use --
Q. ~--or do you switch?
A. I have been known to switch. The majority of the time my fork is in the left hand.
Q. Okay, but when you're cutting meat, right-handed people cut their meat, they put their knife down. They put their fork in their right hand and they eat. That's what righties do. Lefties -- which I am --cut their meat and feed themselves with their left hand. Do you know what you do?
A. I feed myself with my left hand.

Evidently, this is a really complicated issue for RH.

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=KokQ6UhDXfCQtiwo9CL8gg==

 

[Ruminations]

bbm
Did he indeed? Returned to the places, his victims were disposed, and actively watched their declining condition? I can imagine him doing that.

For all we know, he meant he was watching her rot in his own home.



The blueprint really horrified me; it made it seem like Rex prolonged inflicted pain as long as possible. Allegedly.

MOO

 

[Just K]

That was always something that stood out to me because of how comfortable he seemed making those disgusting comments in a crowded and busy place like Penn Station or on a train where other might sit near to you by chance overhear.

I can’t even imagine the look on a person’s face or their response if they overheard him. For me I would probably react with a facial expression and not even mean to and immediately regret it bc he is obviously not the type of person’s whose attention you want to attract.

And you’re absolutely right. Did he ever call the brothers, fathers or boyfriends of his victims or did he again mainly target women?

I also recall that he had the added audacity to refer to AB as a half-breed. My first thoughts to that were first of all, gross. Secondly, racist. Thirdly, who even says that or even uses that derogatory term anymore? Let alone in public, where other people, including people of color could also hear you? That language alone I feel would grab people’s attention. Also, where did he come from/where did he come from on LI that people used that term or language?

Johnny Terry, the bf of Melissa, said he received calls where a man who sounded drunk described Johnny’s tattoos and (paraphrased) disgusting things he did with Melissa.
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Victim - Melissa Barthelemy

 

[Betty P]

RH's 6 murders are on one indictment so unless Tierney decides otherwise it will be one trial.
Suffolk Chief Asst DA Bode says it will take 1.5-2 yrs to bring this to trial.
The jury selection process will certainly be an interesting one.
Getting a change of venue?
They'd have to get off LI.
I don't think it will go to trial, a plea deal with support for it from the victim's families.

These days, most judges don't make a change of venue decision until after they've begun jury selection. If it looks like they can't recruit a sufficient number of objective jurors, they consider change of venue. So defense usually raises a racket about change of venue in the pre-trial phase, but most judges don't make a pre-emptive decision on that.

 

[Ruminations]

In 2018, RH gave testimony in a vehicular related lawsuit where he was the plaintiff. He discussed his "handedness" (left v right) at that time. I've had this testimony in mind whenever someone raises this issue. I'm going to try to paste it right in here with the link.

On p79, the questioner asks RH if he is right-handed or left-handed.
A. Left.
Q. So do you write with your left hand?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you play any sports?
A. Really only thing I competed in was competition rifle.
Q. If you were to throw a baseball, what hand would you use?
A. Actually, my right. It's the only thing I do right-handed.
Q. Did you ever bowl in your life?
A. At some point, I remember being on a bowling alley--I have not been on a bowling alley in, probably, twenty/20 something years.
Q. If you were to bowl, throw a bowling ball, which arm would you use?
A. Anything that I throw, I do right-handed.
Q. If you were to swing a bat or a golf club, would you do that right-handed or left-handed?
A. Last time I swung a golf club or a bat, again, would be twenty-something years ago; would be right-handed.
Q. I assume when you say you write with your left hand, are you claiming to be left-handed or right-handed?
A. I am left-handed.
Q. What else would you do left-handed?
A. Pretty much almost anything else. Swing a hammer is left-handed. The use of any carpentry tools is left-handed. If I was to throw a baseball or a dart, that would be right-handed.
Q. When you eat--
A. Left.
Q. ~--do you cut your meat with your right hand and hold the fork in the left hand and then feed yourself with your left hand --
A. I use --
Q. ~--or do you switch?
A. I have been known to switch. The majority of the time my fork is in the left hand.
Q. Okay, but when you're cutting meat, right-handed people cut their meat, they put their knife down. They put their fork in their right hand and they eat. That's what righties do. Lefties -- which I am --cut their meat and feed themselves with their left hand. Do you know what you do?
A. I feed myself with my left hand.

Evidently, this is a really complicated issue for RH.

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=KokQ6UhDXfCQtiwo9CL8gg==

He has some mixed dominance.

If he'd hammer a nail in lefty, supporting it with the fingers of his right hand and hammering with his right, but would pitch and bat righty, it's hard to determine which side his stronger punch would come from.


MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Actually, I've come to a conclusion on this issue (RH's meaning of MISS-LEADERS) that I feel very sure of! And I thought about this a lot. I now think that the meaning is evident when considered in context of the other items he listed around it. MISS-LEADERS shows up when he's talking about things that could become problems (or maybe DID already) when LE makes a connection to something he used or left behind, or the WAY that he did something (his M.O.), that could possibly lead the investigation in his direction or cause LE to see that the murders are linked to the same killer. Like shoe prints or tire tread patterns. Or consistent patterns in modus operandi (M.O.)

So while thinking of these things (problems) that could lead them in his direction, he adds in the item "MISS-LEADERS?", because he realizes that he might be able to purposefully leave behind certain things, or deliberately do certain things differently, to try to divert attention away from him and lead them to look in another direction AWAY from him. Like maybe leaving something like metal shavings behind (if that's not something he normally would ever have any reason to leave behind.) So now they're going to think they need to look at metalworkers or whatever else that "clue" might point to. Maybe purposefully adding in some shoeprints by the body that are smaller than his own shoe size. Maybe if he mutilated a body in a way he never did before, or "packaged" it differently... anything that would help to MISS-LEAD (mislead) authorities into thinking anything other than what might lead them to him, or to link the murders as having been done by the same person.

He knows what "leads" are, and that they're something good to detectives, but bad for him. So I think he came up with the idea of the opposite of leads, which would be bad for them but good for him. Misleads! Or as he called them, MISS-LEADERS.

So I believe that by MISS-LEADERS, he meant anything that would mislead those trying to solve a crime he committed. Things he could come up with that would help him by diverting attention away from him, and also that could offset some of the negatives created by the things he listed as PROBLEMS. So let's say, if he was unable to avoid leaving tire tracks near where he left the body, it could help to offset that problem, if he could somehow leave more tire tracks that looked different from his tires in the same area (don't know how he'd be able to do that, so probably bad example!) But hopefully you get the idea. (I obviously wouldn't make a good SK because that was the only other example I could think of!) But I feel there would be many other ways if he gave that some thought.

And I think that's what he thought too when he wrote that on his list. And I think it's followed by a question mark, because this was something that he may have only just thought of when making the list, or something that still needed fleshed out (bad choice of words, ugh). So something he still had to think about before doing. Something that he thought of that would probably be helpful, but he still needed to study on more before he knew whether it was a good idea or not.

It seems like it came into his mind as he listed all these things that were potential problems and might get him caught... UNLESS... unless there were things he could do to MISLEAD them on to a different investigative path, leading anywhere but to him. And he obviously thinks he's this super-genius, smarter than all LE anyway, and he may have started thinking he could basically tell them what or how to think, just by purposefully leaving them clues that were really anti- clues! So that he could claw back some of that control that he always felt he had to have in any situation IMO. Committing such barbaric and wild, crazy acts had to necessarily involve giving up some control over the situation, since things never go exactly as planned or the way he'd like them to, since his prey was HUMANS, known to be unpredictable, to put it mildly. Identifying and employing some clever (to him) misleading items or actions, etc. could give him back some of that lost control, allowing him to steer the investigation away from himself

I don't know if I've managed to explain this very well, but I will add that I think it's a very good idea for someone in his position to use, if he thinks about it enough and comes up with some ideas of things that would be good misleaders. It would certainly add confusion, which would make it less easy to solve, and it might even get someone else blamed for crimes he did! If he did it right. Which would be a terrible thing, for everyone, except of course, for him. For him, that'd be the best thing. Anyway, I'm no good at explaining things, but I thought I had to try anyway. I really do think this is what he meant.

What a well thought out theory you’ve come up with here! Thank you for sharing these ideas. I think it’s very possible RH had a plan to mislead detectives in his killings. The only thing that I can’t figure out is why he would put missleaders under the problems column when this would seem like a solution. We've heard that RH was meticulous to detail so that part doesn’t reconcile for me. I could see him doing exactly what you’ve described though to try to mislead police or others. Such as the reports of fine wood shavings at the Costella site, the various dump locations, and different kinds of torture. MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

So, Macedonio basically owes his ability to practice law to Spota. Spota is a key player in the systemic, institutionalized corruption in SC.

And with that origin story, Macedonio appeared like magic to start saying unkind things about both the investigation and Asa herself, whom he theoretically represented. ("She has to focus on her mental heath." Don't we all have to? But an announcement like that sounded to me like he was gaslighting her rather than representing her.)

Macedonio is theoretically representing Asa, but spends air time defending Rex and bashing John Ray. Note that the person who assembled the task force and oversaw its most productive months embraced John Ray's information and encouraged witnesses unwilling or unable to approach LE to approach John Ray.

One minor but irksome thing Macedonio said on Court TV was that the task force was assembled by Tierney. No, it was not! It was assembled by Commissioner Rodney Harrison. There was some tension between them, but in my opinion, Rodney Harrison's leadership highlighted all the best in Tierney. The kind words that I have for Tierney are because of Rodney Harrison. Rodney Harrison had a "no egos" rule which Macedonio violated.

The person who was most instrumental in identifying a suspect [Rex] to surveil and ultimately arrest was a State Trooper. Without Rodney Harrison's leadership, Tierney would not have had access to talent from agencies outside of Suffolk County.

IMO, Macedonio is trying to interfere with the investigation into LISK.

MOO

Has anything ever been reported just how AE and Macedonio came together?

There's certainly no lack of criminal lawyers on Long Island.
Did Michael Brown connect them, he and Macedonio had been law partners?
Do Macedonio and Brown converse behind the scenes about AE and RH's relationship then and now and stratagise?

Did Macedonio then bring in Mitev for VH and CS?

RH was appointed Brown by the judge because public defenders don't defend murder cases.

Did AE hire Macedonio before RH was appointed Brown?
AE and RH supposedly had no money for attorneys so did Macedonio go in pro-bono for the notoriety and media exposure?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Didn’t LE decide to arrest RH sooner for fear that he was preparing to hunt?

RH had to be scheduling dates with sex workers when the family was home. These bodies have to be the tip of the iceberg.

Yes he was arrested because LE reported they feared he was planning another hunt/kill. He purchased another burner phone. And perhaps they knew his family was planning on going on vacation imo.