Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 6 murders, July 2023 #15

[Ruminations]

Disclaiming FWIW I'm not an expert whatsoever.

I assume that anything which occurs within the timeframe of the marriage would be protected by spousal privilege regardless the current status of their divorce proceedings. I believe this would also include any discussions, revelations or "discoveries" made by either party within the timeframe of the marriage (such as knowledge of "personal interests" etc). Again JMO etc.

Considering the fact that other properties have changed hands recently, I do have to wonder what that could mean for the future of this case. Whether the property outside NY has anything to do with RH crimes and if AE selling it off is any indication as to her level of knowledge, whether this could have an impact or affect the limitations of spousal privilege etc. JMO.

I learned from another case that in Idaho, spousal privilege means the accused, defendant spouse can invoke that privilege against a witness spouse in certain circumstances- such as the victim is not a child. So, for instance, if I saw my spouse rob a bank in Idaho, and heard my spouse later in the day complain about how little cash banks hold these days, and I I gave a deposition saying so, my accused spouse could keep that from trial even if I wanted to testify.

IANAL, but I don't believe it works that way in NY. I believe the witness spouse can not be compelled to testify except in situations such as the victim is a child, but the accused spouse can't silence the witness spouse either.

In addition, when giving information to friends or to the press, lying is not a crime. So, there is no legal danger in saying something untruthful as a witness to anyone, including the press. There is only a problem saying something untruthful under oath, such as if one elected to testify.

The witness might be giving truthful statements. But there is nothing compelling her to do so.

MOO

 

[james.coff]

I learned from another case that in Idaho, spousal privilege means the accused, defendant spouse can invoke that privilege against a witness spouse in certain circumstances- such as the victim is not a child. So, for instance, if I saw my spouse rob a bank in Idaho, and heard my spouse later in the day complain about how little cash banks hold these days, and I I gave a deposition saying so, my accused spouse could keep that from trial even if I wanted to testify.

IANAL, but I don't believe it works that way in NY. I believe the witness spouse can not be compelled to testify except in situations such as the victim is a child, but the accused spouse can't silence the witness spouse either.

In addition, when giving information to friends or to the press, lying is not a crime. So, there is no legal danger in saying something untruthful as a witness to anyone, including the press. There is only a problem saying something untruthful under oath, such as if one elected to testify.

The witness might be giving truthful statements. But there is nothing compelling her to do so.

MOO

WOW, where did you find the info about the lying?? That is crazy. Thank GOD New York doesn't follow Idaho!!

 

[james.coff]

I don't think, he was able to shut his mouth all the time about that topic. And I don't think, she was able not to ask. There may have been a tacit agreement to enable the other to live a life without too many scruples. MOO

"Or use it to scare her, maybe?? She appeared so surprised at the beginning though...unless just shocked he got caught?"

That's what I do to myself when I think about this case in my head lol

 

[sds71]

"We received in excess of 50 manila envelopes, in addition to personal electronic devices that were acquired by the family after the arrest of Rex Heuermann," said Macedonio. "We were told by the district attorney's office that we would continue to receive personal property of Asa [Ellerup], Victoria [Heuermann] and Christopher [Sheridan] on a rolling basis as it's processed."

Macedonio said the items consisted of personal documents, including a greeting card from a family member, and numerous gift cards sent to the family after Heuermann's arrest.

The family also was given back laptops and a digital drawing device used by Heuermann's daughter, Macedonio said.

Vess Mitev, the Stony Brook-based attorney who represents Heuermann's daughter and stepson, confirmed that some of his clients' personal items were returned last month, but said there remains a voluminous amount of personal effects that remain in police custody without explanation.

In addition to a number of books, antiques, art supplies, clothing and writing instruments, Mitev said authorities still have his clients' social security cards, passports and birth certificates, despite the district attorney's office repeatedly saying that Heuermann's family members are not suspects.

"Puzzled chagrin is the best way to describe my clients and my view that these items still remain in the possession of law enforcement," said Mitev.

Heuermann's next court date is October 16.

Gilgo Beach killings: Personal items seized from accused serial killer Rex A. Heuermann's Massapequa Park home, storage units returned, attorneys say

Authorities had seized potential evidence from Rex Heuermann's LI home and rented storage units following his 2023 arrest.

www.newsday.com

 

[snarast]

Mitev certainly has style, that’s for sure. Puzzled chagrin - one for the books.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Mitev certainly has style, that’s for sure. Puzzled chagrin - one for the books.

Perhaps he is writing a book. Personally, I don't find it puzzling but encouraging. We've seen an enormous amount of items taken from the home, office and storage. It's encouraging to me that LE seems to be still working through all of it. Who knows what may still be useful for evidence? I can see attorneys who need to grouse about LE for their clients. That's the job. And LE's job is to completely and thoroughly examine anything that might prove to be useful. Seems LE is still working, too.

 

[sds71]

Former Suffolk County Commissioner Rodney K. Harrison said he had asked the county administration for funding to create a cold-case unit and other specialized units but was rebuffed for budget reasons. When he became commissioner, he said solving the Gilgo Beach case was a high priority."Of course one person being found outside is alarming, but hearing a number of 100 is something that is unacceptable," he said.

Remains of more than 100 women found outdoors on Long Island since 1976, investigation finds

The Newsday investigation also found neither Nassau nor Suffolk county police departments staff cold-case units.

www.newsday.com

 

[DS2021]

Former Suffolk County Commissioner Rodney K. Harrison said he had asked the county administration for funding to create a cold-case unit and other specialized units but was rebuffed for budget reasons. When he became commissioner, he said solving the Gilgo Beach case was a high priority."Of course one person being found outside is alarming, but hearing a number of 100 is something that is unacceptable," he said.

Remains of more than 100 women found outdoors on Long Island since 1976, investigation finds

The Newsday investigation also found neither Nassau nor Suffolk county police departments staff cold-case units.

www.newsday.com

Very happy to see these 4, along with the others finally getting news coverage for the first time in decades!

Thread 'NY- Valley Stream, Deborah Lee Smith, known SW, shot to death, Aug 1984'

Jul 16, 2024

On August 24th 1984. The body of 20 year old Deborah Lee Smith was found wrapped in a blanket near Valley Ave in NY. She had been shot in the head and chest with a high caliber weapon. Smith was a known sex worker who apparently mostly worked in the Manhattan area. I cant find much else on her unfortunately.

Deborah Lee Smith

Clipping found in Newsday (Suffolk Edition) published in Melville, New York on 8/31/1984. Deborah Lee Smith

www.newspapers.com

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NY Thread 'NY-Upper Brooksville, Gwen Lukes, known SW, strangled in cemetery Feb 1985'

Jul 16, 2024

On Sept 13th 1985 the body of 26 year old Gwendolyn “Gwen” Lukes was found strangled in a cemetery in Upper Brooksville. Gwen had prior sex work related arrests in the Hempstead area.

Gwendolyn "Gwen" Lukes,
On Sept 13th 1985 the body of 26 year old Gwendolyn “Gwen” Lukes was found strangled in a cemetery in Upper Brooksville. Gwen had prior sex work related arrests in the Hempstead area.



It appears that the possibility of Joel Rifkin being connected to Gwen was looked into, but I cant find anything indicating anything came of it. Rifkin’s first known murder occurred in 1989.

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NY Thread 'NY- Hempstead, Valerie Cleveland, known SW, found on golf course. Aug 1986'

Jul 16, 2024

On August 6h 1986 the body of 21 year old Valerie Cleveland was found under brush on a Hempstead golf course. She was nude apart from her jacket. She had likely been dead for less than a week. She had prior sex work related arrests.



Valerie Cleveland

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NY Thread 'NY - Christina Warner, beaten to death, wrapped in plastic bags in wooded area, Meadowbrook - December 1989'

Jul 16, 2024

On Dec 13th 1989, the body of 23 year old Christine Warner was found in a wooded area of the Meadowbrook Polo club. She was completely nude and wrapped in plastic bags. It was determined she was beaten to death. Christine was a known sex worker based out of Manhattan, She often went by the name Tina Clark.

Christina Warner

Clipping found in Newsday (Suffolk Edition) published in Melville, New York on 12/20/1989. Christina Warner

www.newspapers.com

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[Passeridae]

The thing with The Associated Press is that often the stories are picked up, and sometimes edited or shortened, from the newspapers that belong to the AP, then sent on to subscribing newspapers.

In the rural area where I live, there were some stories AP sent their own reporters into the local newspaper office and they covered events, wrote stories and filed them from the local newspaper office. However, generally, the AP stories from our local area were actually written by local reporters and just picked up by AP. It's been years since I've worked at the local newspaper, so I wonder if now, with the Internet and remote writing so easy, if the AP reporters actually go into the local papers. In the past, AP executives and reporters did maintain contact with the local newspapers. I would expect they still do to some extent.

But having the AP story originating at a local newspaper would explain the matching wording.

Late to reply to this, but I work at a newspaper and while we stopped our AP membership a few years ago, that's how it still worked back then. Nowadays a lot of newspapers are part of other wire services, but most work the same way. The one my paper is part of now gets New York (and a lot of national) stories from the Daily News.

So yeah, a lot of wire stories might be edited for style/grammar, but the reporting comes directly from the local outlets and isn't really fact checked. It's assumed the local reporter and their editor already did that.

 

[LadyL]

so his wife says she did not know Rex was into BSDM and torture? never any hint...mOO

where did she say that??

 

[LadyL]

No way you can be married to someone with these tendencies and for them to not have at least spoke re such. Moo

really? people do it all the time - we read stories here about spouses and other family members who had no clue

 

[Knitty]

MOD NOTE: It appears that the conversation lately is about spousal privilege, but I don't see a link regarding either party invoking spousal privilege in this case. If no link is available, please move on from that part of the discussion.

 

[snarast]

Late to reply to this, but I work at a newspaper and while we stopped our AP membership a few years ago, that's how it still worked back then. Nowadays a lot of newspapers are part of other wire services, but most work the same way. The one my paper is part of now gets New York (and a lot of national) stories from the Daily News.

So yeah, a lot of wire stories might be edited for style/grammar, but the reporting comes directly from the local outlets and isn't really fact checked. It's assumed the local reporter and their editor already did that.

What fun this will be with the overtrained AI algorithms (models) doin’ their thing.

Humor aside, I do hope serious topics such as RH will be proofread by sober actual people.

 

[Passeridae]

What fun this will be with the overtrained AI algorithms (models) doin’ their thing.

Humor aside, I do hope serious topics such as RH will be proofread by sober actual people.

The situation is better at larger papers like NYT, Newsday, etc., but a lot of small community papers no longer have a dedicated editing staff (copy editors, proofreaders, department editors) and often have overworked reporters who cannot dedicate much time to a story and overworked editors trying to do it all by themselves. It's not a good time to be working at a small community paper. Hedge funds buying up so many of the small papers and then cutting their teams to the bone has really caused irreparable damage to the newspaper industry.

I'm not as familiar with how other types of news outlets operate, but TV news, at least on main channels and not dedicated cable news channels, have always been more limited due to time on how in-depth they can go on most stories.

 

[Izzylizzy]

i think it was so he could sign the house over to her and then he gets a free lawyer. They are legally separated now, so if found guilty, Families can not touch anything if they want to sue. I'm so curious as to how she got his so fast. She had him in like two days...so maybe she new him already and he went to her... his offices are not close to her home and how would she find him so fast? IMO it is shady

Michael Brown was appointed to RH on Friday, July 14, 2023 the day after he was arrested which was Thursday, July 13th.
Brown had been law partners with Bob Macedonio and over the weekend AE had Macedonio as her legal counsel.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Michael Brown was appointed to RH on Friday, July 14, 2023 the day after he was arrested which was Thursday, July 13th.
Brown had been law partners with Bob Macedonio and over the weekend AE had Macedonio as her legal counsel.

@ 4:24 Macedonio says he was representing AE by Saturday morning, July 15th.

 

[Sincao]

Cop, Teacher Accused of Running Suffolk Sex Trafficking Ring

An Islip teacher and a Suffolk County police officer were among the four people that a grand jury indicted on charges of allegedly running a sex trafficking ring, prosecutors revealed Tuesday.

www.longislandpress.com

 

[DS2021]

Rh is in court today

 

[dotr]

Oct 16, 2024
Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann will face a judge Wednesday in Suffolk County, Long Island.

 

[DS2021]

Former Suffolk County Commissioner Rodney K. Harrison said he had asked the county administration for funding to create a cold-case unit and other specialized units but was rebuffed for budget reasons. When he became commissioner, he said solving the Gilgo Beach case was a high priority."Of course one person being found outside is alarming, but hearing a number of 100 is something that is unacceptable," he said.

Remains of more than 100 women found outdoors on Long Island since 1976, investigation finds

The Newsday investigation also found neither Nassau nor Suffolk county police departments staff cold-case units.

www.newsday.com

A video companion to the article. Free for all to view.

I will be spending some time today going thru the article and making sure every victim mentioned has a websleuths thread