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Interesting article on Politico that makes the connection between successful anti-smoking awareness (including advertising) and initiatives to counter gun lobby efforts.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/19/why-the-nra-always-wins-217028

I think that this could be a good idea, if done properly.

Most of the shooters are males, who have few friends, loners, disillusioned, and hate others who have what they can't seem to obtain, now, or ever, in their minds. We're always going to have those, but recognizing that your family member has a problem, and getting firearms out of the home, may also be part of the answer, for these young school shooters.

I also think that we need to look at the amount of violent content in PG-13 movies, both in theater, and television type movies, that our kids are watching. Desensitization is real. Folks flip out if you see an amorous scene, in a movie, but violent scenes usually don't get that same kind of reaction in the U.S.. It's not cartoons anymore. It's very real and it comes not just from a Saturday night western, it's constant. T.V., theaters, internet, gaming, videos.

A PG-13 rating, which, unlike a R rating, means minors can watch without an adult ― was first introduced in the mid-1980s after Steven Spielberg’s suggestion. The ratings step between PG and R was meant to signal a film that wasn’t explicitly violent or lewd but wasn’t exactly “family friendly,” either. In the three decades since then, the percentage of hit films with a PG-13 rating has skyrocketed. The study found that from 1985–1987, 29 percent of the top-30 domestic grossing films were rated PG-13. Today that number has risen to 51 percent.



At the same time, PG-13 films have consistently involved higher and higher levels of gun violence as well, according to the study.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...-13-r-rated-films_us_587cf170e4b0e58057ff9627
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hroom-authorities-say/?utm_term=.df0d92ed9b72

The incident follows last week’s massacre of 17 students and teachers at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. Threats of copycat incidents in at least three states have put school officials and police on alert.

That's just awful. We've had quite a few copycat threats throughout our state. Our schools are underfunded here, but, I've heard that some makers of metal detectors are granting them to schools. I think that those should be installed in schools. I have to walk through one and get wanded at our courthouse. My kids are as important as the folks in the courthouse.
 
Fastest-growing High-School Sport? Trap Shooting.

Non-profit leagues, as well as sanctioned high school sports, in approximately 45 states-- (perhaps more since I last looked).

http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/claytarget.asp

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...igh-schools-embrace-shooting-as-hot-new-sport

http://www.usaclaytarget.com/

Over 10,000 students participated in the state tournament league last year in MN alone.

https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2016...nnesota-state-high-school-clay-target-league/

https://www.thenewamerican.com/cult...stest-growing-high-school-sport-trap-shooting

Even heavily "anti-gun" California has a sanctioned high school league:

http://caclaytarget.com/2017/07/25/2017-spring-league/

2017 Spring League

Join California’s newest and safest high school sport!
Schools and student athletes from across California are invited to join the inaugural 2017 spring league!

Student athletes considering joining a team are required to earn a League-approved firearm safety certification. Existing teams may have limited availability to add new athletes – check with your school. New teams are only limited by the number of athletes that can be on a team as determined by coaching resources and shooting range capabilities.

New teams are allowed to join the 2017 spring trap shooting league. Learn more about how to start a new team. Once your team is approved, simply have a school official contact us and let us know!

Oh-- and a youth oriented magagzine:

http://pullusamagazine.com/
 
That's just awful. We've had quite a few copycat threats throughout our state. Our schools are underfunded here, but, I've heard that some makers of metal detectors are granting them to schools. I think that those should be installed in schools. I have to walk through one and get wanded at our courthouse. My kids are as important as the folks in the courthouse.

I totally agree that metal detectors and very strict enter/exit policies need to be installed immediately in every school. Its a simple thing that can be done right now to help prevent school shootings.

Schools dont have to wait on national legislation to do it. The urgency is now. So we need immediate actions and this is one thing schools can do. Some schools already have them.

Just be smart and have common sense about how they install the new procedures and make sure they have a way to have all doors open in event of a real fire. Like they could only open from the inside or something like that to allow easy exits.

Like people are saying there is going to be needed many things and this is just one of the simpler things to immediately do IMO.
 
In my state, we can sell to each other on the street. Facebook may not allow a lot of things, and maybe they weed them out, but, yes, I've seen firearms for sale on the FB YardSale sites.

I think that the gun show loophole should be closed, and if I'm going to sell to a private party, that the firearm should be registered and transferred, at a gun shop or courthouse, w/a background check run, much like a vehicle is licensed and it's ensured that you have insurance. Folks find the time to sell their vehicles and go to the courthouse, and yes, some skirt the law on that issue too, but, it usually comes back to bite them. I don't want my firearms ending up in the wrong hands. Some troubled, young, kid's hands. That's why I sell back, or trade, with the dealer. I shouldn't be able to dial up Joe Blow, and buy an AR with 10 magazines, from some guy advertising it, privately, displayed on his dryer, or bed. That's probably not the same kind of private dealer, that I had to pick mine up from, when I purchased from an internet company.

Re BBM

I totally agree with you and I think this is one reason why people tend to accumulate multiple guns. They dont know the proper way to sell back to a dealer and so they just hang onto the one they have even when they want a different one.

Some people dont know its an option to sell back to a dealer and some are not comfortable the dealer will report the transfer of the weapon back to them.

Nobody wants a gun they owned to be ended up used in a crime and have cops show up at their doorstep so they tend to keep all the guns they purchase even when they want to upgrade to a different one.

I think we are touching on something that not only can prevent bad guys from getting guns but it can also reduce the overall gun numbers if this was straightened out. Everyone I know wants to follow all the rules and fill out all the paperwork. We need standards across the board for all gun sales and transfers.
 
https://www.thedailybeast.com/don-j...st-parkland-dont-go-wobbly-on-guns?ref=scroll

Trump Jr., a gun-rights advocate and hunting enthusiast, had previously stated he would not get directly involved in his dad’s administration. However, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t wield influence. The Trump son has for years acted as a conduit for pro-gun activists looking to influence or support his father’s political agenda. Early on in the Trump era, he was slated to play a critical role with the president’s advisory group on guns, and had previously been a prominent ally of business interests pushing gun-silencer legislation on Capitol Hill. And this weekend, he reasserted himself in his position as one of President Trump’s unofficial counselors on weaponry and gun culture.



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Metal detectors are often proposed as a solution, but advocates rarely do the math.

The school board buys two metal detectors for the town high school. If each detector can handle 10 students a minute, how long does it take to search all 1,200 students each morning?

It also doesn’t stop someone from just shooting their way into the building as was done at Sandy Hook or targetting the students lined up for security search.

I don’t want to make our nation Into a place where every school, church, playground and public venue is a fortress with armed guards. Especially when the rest of the developed world has found a better way to limit these kinds of spree killing.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ents-public-officials/?utm_term=.a2687b7c4550

President Trump announced Tuesday afternoon that he had signed a memorandum directing Attorney General Jeff Sessions to change regulations to ban bump stocks, saying he expected “that these critical regulations will be finalized … very soon.”

It is unclear whether the aftermath of the Parkland massacre — in which 14 students and three faculty members were gunned down at a suburban high school on Valentine’s Day — will be different than prior shootings in prompting longer-term change. But already, the level of anger and furious activityfollowing that shooting has taken on a different tenor than what came after previous attacks. Almost immediately, survivors and those in their community began calling for action.
 
Apologies if this has already been posted. I'm catching up.

Five states allow guns to be seized before someone can commit violence

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2018/02/five_states_allow_guns_to_be_s.html

In the wake of massacres like Wednesday's school shooting in Parkland, Florida, a small number of states have passed "red flag laws" that allow the seizure of guns before people can commit acts of violence.

California, Washington, Oregon, Indiana and Connecticut have statutes that can be used to temporarily take guns away from people whom a judge deems a threat to themselves or others. Lawmakers in 18 other states - including Florida - plus the District of Columbia have proposed similar measures.
 
Metal detectors are often proposed as a solution, but advocates rarely do the math.

The school board buys two metal detectors for the town high school. If each detector can handle 10 students a minute, how long does it take to search all 1,200 students each morning?

It also doesn’t stop someone from just shooting their way into the building as was done at Sandy Hook or targetting the students lined up for security search.

I don’t want to make our nation Into a place where every school, church, playground and public venue is a fortress with armed guards. Especially when the rest of the developed world has found a better way to limit these kinds of spree killing.

Thanks for replying and I respect your opinion as both sides have had valid points in the past pages.

My feeling is we cant wait any longer to begin to take baby steps and metal detectors is one baby step that can happen immediately at least for schools only which is what I am trying to focus on. As mentioned it is not a cure all and wont prevent every situation but it is guaranteed to be a deterrent. Right now the kids with weapons are just walking right in the front door with nothing to stop them.

Another kid just walked in a school this morning with a gun in Ohio. Luckily he just shot himself instead of others but he walked right in with a rifle.

http://www.wkyc.com/article/news/lo...himself-in-jackson-middle-school/95-520949889

To address the potential for delay to enter school, I really dont think that will be as bad as some think because for one, the article I just read says up to 25 per minute can be processed. This article fairly talks about the pros and cons.

"A well-trained and motivated operator should generally be able to process between 15 and 25 people per minute through a portal detector"

https://www.ncjrs.gov/school/ch3a_4.html

And already today a lot of busses arrive at different times in the morning as the busses come from all areas. They dont all get there at exactly the same time.

And some schools stagger the starting time by an hour for different grades and that can help some as well. So I really dont think it would cause great delays in entering as some feel.

To me the main thing it will do is give us an immediate deterrent that can be installed today without waiting on governement legislation or anything else.
 
I totally agree that metal detectors and very strict enter/exit policies need to be installed immediately in every school. Its a simple thing that can be done right now to help prevent school shootings.

Schools dont have to wait on national legislation to do it. The urgency is now. So we need immediate actions and this is one thing schools can do. Some schools already have them.

Just be smart and have common sense about how they install the new procedures and make sure they have a way to have all doors open in event of a real fire. Like they could only open from the inside or something like that to allow easy exits.

Like people are saying there is going to be needed many things and this is just one of the simpler things to immediately do IMO.

Some of the larger city schools have had metal detectors for years. I think that for some of us, though, the state and/or federal govt., is going to have to aid in the purchase, and cost, of installation. Unless someone wants to grant them to us. Many schools in my region just don't have the funds and they keep cutting school funds (and many things tied to it but that's another discussion).

Wireman says currently the district is supposed to receive about $2.7 million from the state for transportation but are only getting about $1.7 million. With the proposed cuts, the district would only receive $600,000 from the state.

"When it comes to local revenue, what does our economy do here?" Wireman asked. "We are an impoverished region. Our unemployment is high, we don't have high assessed values. I just don't know what rural areas of eastern Kentucky are going to do."

http://www.wymt.com/content/news/Sc...e-may-not-be-able-to-pay-bills-474123993.html

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I'm also cool w/video cameras (especially around entrances not easily visible), i.d. badges, and school uniforms.

[h=4]School safety and security measures[/h]Question:
What safety and security measures are used in America's public schools?

In the 2013–14 school year, 93 percent of public schools reported that they controlled access to school buildings by locking or monitoring doors during school hours. Other safety and security measures reported by public schools included the use of security cameras to monitor the school (75 percent), a requirement that faculty and staff wear badges or picture IDs (68 percent), and the enforcement of a strict dress code (58 percent). In addition, 24 percent of public schools reported the use of random dog sniffs to check for drugs, 20 percent required that students wear uniforms, 9 percent required students to wear badges or picture IDs, and 4 percent used random metal detector checks.

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=334
 
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