Gun Control Debate #2

[Hatfield]

I think PSA's are a great idea.

Trigger locks are good for small children, but IMO, a determined teen could get one off. A safe is a far better choice. Our long guns are in a safe.

Re BBM
I also invested in a very large very heavy safe that is bolted to the floor. Not one of the cheaper ones with thin metal. Mine has doors about a foot thick.

It would take 3 men to be able to carry the thing out of the house. Or maybe 2 men if they had a dolly. And that is only if they could somehow pry the thing loose from the bolts into concrete slab.

 

[Inthedetails]

I think PSA's are a great idea.

Trigger locks are good for small children, but IMO, a determined teen could get one off. A safe is a far better choice. Our long guns are in a safe.

In the states where I have lived, drivers need to pass a written test to get a license.

What about a written test for gun ownership that is about gun safety?

Plus a law that if a crime is committed using your gun (unless you reported it stolen), you as the gun owner are held responsible. Is that already a law? Maybe! IDK! That responsibility might make some people more serious about thinking about the mental health of their children/family members - it would be not only the "right thing to do" to make sure unstable teens don't have access to guns in the family home, but the law.

Just brainstorming. Shoot the idea down if you want to.

jmo

 

[Tawny]

In the states where I have lived, drivers need to pass a written test to get a license.

What about a written test for gun ownership that is about gun safety?

Plus a law that if a crime is committed using your gun (unless you reported it stolen), you as the gun owner are held responsible. Is that already a law? Maybe! IDK! That responsibility might make some people more serious about thinking about the mental health of their children/family members - it would be not only the "right thing to do" to make sure unstable teens don't have access to guns in the family home, but the law.

Just brainstorming. Shoot the idea down if you want to.

jmo

I agree with these and have said the same. I think they're reasonable, good ideas that will not "BAN ALL TEH GUNZ" but will help alleviate some of the problem. Not all of it, obviously, but it seems it has to be an "all or why bother" solution with 2Aers.

 

[Hatfield]

Watch this video and see if it gives you a better understanding of the usefulness of high capacity magazine bans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCSySuemiHU&t=1s

Thanks for sharing. I think its a little misleading in the demonstration the officer did because notice the extra magazines were right on top of the barrel and very handy for them to grab. That is not really what happens in an active shooter situation unless the shooter is very trained and has a belt clip with them all handy.

JMO
What I think is much more likely to happen is the active shooter could fumble and get delayed each time they have to replace the magazine.

It gives others a chance to either run or something else when the shooter is replacing a magazine. So the bottom line is I do think reducing magazine limit will help some.

Obviously if the shooter is well trained and has practiced then it may not make a whole lot of difference but I think that is the exception and not the norm. The norm of a young school kid having to replace each magazine I believe would slow them down. And also he would have to purchase more mags and he may only have so many dollars to be able to get a lot.

Thanks for sharing though as it was interesting.

 

[kittythehare]

Re BBM
I also invested in a very large very heavy safe that is bolted to the floor. Not one of the cheaper ones with thin metal. Mine has doors about a foot thick.

It would take 3 men to be able to carry the thing out of the house. Or maybe 2 men if they had a dolly. And that is only if they could somehow pry the thing loose from the bolts into concrete slab.

i like that idea.
But you appear sane right now.
Suppose you develop an insanity, you will know how it opens..
But, seriously, I would feel safer in your house than in a house where they are just lying around or unlocked.
we're focusing on teenagers, but Paddock was no teenager..
But he probably was insane, while appearing normal.
He could not have done what he did with a small gun that he would have had to unload several times.
It's likely he could also have passed any psychiatric test he was given.

 

[bluedivergirl]

In the states where I have lived, drivers need to pass a written test to get a license.

What about a written test for gun ownership that is about gun safety?

Plus a law that if a crime is committed using your gun (unless you reported it stolen), you as the gun owner are held responsible. Is that already a law? Maybe! IDK! That responsibility might make some people more serious about thinking about the mental health of their children/family members - it would be not only the "right thing to do" to make sure unstable teens don't have access to guns in the family home, but the law.

Just brainstorming. Shoot the idea down if you want to.

jmo

BBM. Respectfully the Second Amendment precludes that.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Both District of Colombia V Heller and McDonald V City of Chicago affirmed the right of individual citizens to keep and bear arms.

 

[Hatfield]

i like that idea.
But you appear sane right now.
Suppose you develop an insanity, you will know how it opens..
But, seriously, I would feel safer in your house than in a house where they are just lying around or unlocked.
we're focusing on teenagers, but Paddock was no teenager..
But he probably was insane, while appearing normal.
He could not have done what he did with a small gun that he would have had to unload several times.
It's likely he could also have passed any psychiatric test he was given.

I had to chuckle as I have forgotten my combination once and it is open for debate whether im really sane. LOL

But seriously, I do agree with you about the school shooters weapon. For me personally I could agree to banning of the type of assault weapon he had. I personally dont own one of those types and I have no real use for something like that.

 

[Inthedetails]

BBM. Respectfully the Second Amendment precludes that.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Both District of Colombia V Heller and McDonald V City of Chicago affirmed the right of individual citizens to keep and bear arms.

FYI: My eyes are good. I don't need the bolding and large font to comprehend a sentence.

jmo

 

[CARIIS]

I heard of it before. It's been going on in my state for years. And guess what CARIIS, there have been NO problems.

There are teachers packing heat while packing there backpacks each morning?

In states already?

What states are first grade teachers armed and ready??

I had never heard of it before !!

Teachers can be influences . Especially with little Hailey seeing her second grade teacher blowing a classmate away if needed --

When we get to 10-11 and they are online looking at machine guns, and Professor Plum (game clue remember ) is packing a Magnum 467 -- that becomes cool . Role modeling.

At 15 were are conditioning another whole generation of gun slinging teens.

Not what we need at this point in our countries history .

what states i?

He is there at gun headquarters and he is talking taxes??

 

[bluedivergirl]

FYI: My eyes are good. I don't need the bolding and large font to comprehend a sentence.

jmo

I didn't mean to offend. The Second Amendment, in the format I copied, was very small. I neglected to preview the post.

I wasn't done to upset you.

I will attempt to edit, but I can't change your quote.

I cannot edit the post, it is too late.

 

[Tawny]

BBM. Respectfully the Second Amendment precludes that.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Both District of Colombia V Heller and McDonald V City of Chicago affirmed the right of individual citizens to keep and bear arms.

I can help with the part we seem to ignore.

ETA: Not trying to be snarky with the even bigger letters LOL I just get a wee bit frustrated and wanted it to be real big for everyone haha <3

 

[CARIIS]

[ I have not heard anyone saying ban guns-- noone

this is kinda like having speed limits on our highways.

 

[CARIIS]

I can help with the part we seem to ignore.

That is a bold statement that I totally agree with !

that is funny!

Their yelling lock her up ahhhh

next week its gonna be shoot her up shoot her up

On health care now -- talk about avoidance !

 

[CARIIS]

I can help with the part we seem to ignore.

ETA: Not trying to be snarky with the even bigger letters LOL I just get a wee bit frustrated and wanted it to be real big for everyone haha <3

it was funny a sense of humor can be helpful!!

Laugh now -- cause the nation might be all shot up in a year!!

SMile !

 

[Hatfield]

[ I have not heard anyone saying ban guns-- noone

this is kinda like having speed limits on our highways.

JMO
I do agree the comparison to automobile regulations is a good one.

I dont have it handy but someone had 2 good ideas yesterday about impounding cars if people dont have proper insurance and proper registration and also impounding guns if people dont have the proper registration and insurance. I really liked those ideas.

If we hit people where it hurts then most people will begin to follow the rules.

 

[kittythehare]

I had to chuckle as I have forgotten my combination once and it is open for debate whether im really sane. LOL

But seriously, I do agree with you about the school shooters weapon. For me personally I could agree to banning of the type of assault weapon he had. I personally dont own one of those types and I have no real use for something like that.

I think it can happen.
I was in tears watching the town hall debate- the courage and the heart of america was re-ignited..
I deeply hope those kids and parents get all the support they need to see this through and that their educational facilities will make allowances for missing hours and assignments as a gesture of faith in their great work.
Banning them is a great start.
But having said that, I am well aware that it's only too easy to procure bomb making equipment and ingredients from hardware shops and it will be impossible to either ban or legislate for those.

So the 'rage' must also be treated. the self harming, the suicides..

Resources must be found, can be found and need to be found so that vulnerable people can receive the help and support they so desperately need.
First clean up the streets, take the dangerous guns.. just take them.. away.. Forcefully, if necessary.

 

[CARIIS]

In the states where I have lived, drivers need to pass a written test to get a license.

What about a written test for gun ownership that is about gun safety?

Plus a law that if a crime is committed using your gun (unless you reported it stolen), you as the gun owner are held responsible. Is that already a law? Maybe! IDK! That responsibility might make some people more serious about thinking about the mental health of their children/family members - it would be not only the "right thing to do" to make sure unstable teens don't have access to guns in the family home, but the law.

Just brainstorming. Shoot the idea down if you want to.

jmo

Respectfully

Mass shooters are not concerned with gun safety - a lot of them kill themselves

he is talking about being the king of publicity

he is at the NRA thing right -- does he think he is somewhere else?

Wanted to keep everyone up on his ideas about machine guns -- if he talks about I will let you know .

On to electoral collage -- truly bizarre

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I can help with the part we seem to ignore.

ETA: Not trying to be snarky with the even bigger letters LOL I just get a wee bit frustrated and wanted it to be real big for everyone haha <3

'Well regulated' doesn't mean what some think it does.

In the period of time that this was written the meaning was closer to 'properly operating' or 'in it's ideal state'.

 

[Tawny]

I think it can happen.
I was in tears watching the town hall debate- the courage and the heart of america was re-ignited..
I deeply hope those kids and parents get all the support they need to see this through and that their educational facilities will make allowances for missing hours and assignments as a gesture of faith in their great work.
Banning them is a great start.
But having said that, I am well aware that it's only too easy to procure bomb making equipment and ingredients from hardware shops and it will be impossible to either ban or legislate for those.

So the 'rage' must also be treated. the self harming, the suicides..

Resources must be found, can be found and need to be found so that vulnerable people can receive the help and support they so desperately need.
First clean up the streets, take the dangerous guns.. just take them.. away.. Forcefully, if necessary.

I agree that a determined individual will find a way, with bombs or something else. However, those are actually REALLY hard to do and most would-be bomb makers are so inexperienced, they end up taking themselves out while trying to learn how to make them.

I think banning these types of weapons will make it harder to commit this kind of massacre, and thus quell MOST of the ones that happen. There will always be a Klebold or Vegas type shooter who plans this for months, but the majority of them are someone who snaps and has easy access (Lanza, Ft Hood).

 

[CARIIS]

There is the Executive Order. The Executive is the President, and this President would not make such an order. I don't think any President would. But if any did, it would be immediately challenged by the courts.

We have a system of balance - and this issue is not going to disrupt that.

It needs to go through the proper law-making process, as messy as it is.

jmo

IMO this on topic

The notion of executive order was mentioned as it relates to our discussion of gun control .

Honestly it would be ideal if he did an Executive order on this subject.

They are identical to a parent saying clean your room..........sometime

Go read any one someone wrote for him to sign

All they say is someone will form some committee to review something and get back to me at some time so we can create a final committee-- laws must be passed by congress

IE

thankfully are transgendered folks still proudly signing up to join the military and trans ejected ?

all of em

I grabbed one for ya random. done 13 months ago -- nothing has happened -- there all like that

If you got one do you have any idea what your first step is ? There vague!

Its terms like

highest priority who is deciding this?

"repairing " what when how ?

"respecting" what does that mean?

"streamline"

"get together with some relevant agency" which one?

"appropriate means" what is that ?

"deadlines" what are they?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presiden...rovals-high-priority-infrastructure-projects/