Hailey Dunn: General Discussion thread #3

[yllek]

Hailey's disappearance is what first brought me to WS. I'll never stop thinking about her.

I remember the early case threads and how we all had hope that she'd be found alive....... and how that hope diminished the more and more people close to her talked.

Can't believe it's been 6 years since she was reported missing and three years since her remains were located.

RIP Hailey -- may 2017 be the year you finally get some justice. raying:

 

[Knox]

Let's not forget sweet Hailey is still in a box at the coroner's office. To my knowledge she hasn't been released t.o her family. Weird, but they must have their reasons.

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm very surprised this case has not had an arrest yet.
I'm posting from phone and do not have the expertise to provide the link but will just make a comment. The video showing Hailey walking in the school hallway haunts me and provokes many questions in my mind. Frustrating that thoughts and possible motive based upon video was not allowed. I will always believe that the answer as to why she was killed could be in that video.

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[Aqua]

I get what you are saying and I concur. Sadly, I wish Hailey had confided in someone about "that"....if true.

 

[yllek]

Let's not forget sweet Hailey is still in a box at the coroner's office. To my knowledge she hasn't been released t.o her family. Weird, but they must have their reasons.

They must have good reason, for sure.

I've racked my brain and done some research over the past few years........none of the reasons that seemed possible really held up, mainly because those same reasons would almost certainly amount to probable cause for arrest.

Then, recently, the issue of the Ramseys not permitting the exhumation of JonBenet's body arose again, in regards to the 'stun gun markings' assertion which is being widely contested. There are photos of the markings on little JB. But, it's difficult for experts to definitively say what did and didn't cause the markings based only on photos, rather than by testing the actual remains.

Just makes me wonder if there are specific injuries to sweet Hailey which are currently uncertain or unexplained. Maybe that's why LE doesn't want to release the remains to Billie Jean (who's been clear that she wants to cremate them)?

 

[Knox]

They must have good reason, for sure.

I've racked my brain and done some research over the past few years........none of the reasons that seemed possible really held up, mainly because those same reasons would almost certainly amount to probable cause for arrest.

Then, recently, the issue of the Ramseys not permitting the exhumation of JonBenet's body arose again, in regards to the 'stun gun markings' assertion which is being widely contested. There are photos of the markings on little JB. But, it's difficult for experts to definitively say what did and didn't cause the markings based only on photos, rather than by testing the actual remains.

Just makes me wonder if there are specific injuries to sweet Hailey which are currently uncertain or unexplained. Maybe that's why LE doesn't want to release the remains to Billie Jean (who's been clear that she wants to cremate them)?

Are there any other cases where the remains have been held for three years, not released to family for burial? I Ben around here for seven years, and honestly can't recall this situation when the remains have been identified. I noted that when interviewed this year Billie didn't mention it.

 

[yllek]

Are there any other cases where the remains have been held for three years, not released to family for burial? I Ben around here for seven years, and honestly can't recall this situation when the remains have been identified. I noted that when interviewed this year Billie didn't mention it.

I haven't been able to find any other such instances either, Knox.

I found several cases where defense attorneys demanded the remains be held for months, so that they could have their own experts examine the deceased.

And, I came across too many cases where remains were kept for a very long time because next of kin didn't claim them in a timely manner.

But, I haven't found another case where the remains were held for years, even though the next of kin is requesting them to be released.

 

[Knox]

Very odd yllek. Maybe one day it will all make sense. I need to go back and read what LE released about Haileys remains. IIRC, it was next to nothing.

 

[yllek]

Very odd yllek. Maybe one day it will all make sense. I need to go back and read what LE released about Haileys remains. IIRC, it was next to nothing.

Only the location of where the remains were found was confirmed by LE, as far as I've seen.

I've not seen a cause of death, manner of death, estimated time-frame of death...or any of the other details which are typically made public after a body/remains are recovered.

Since the FBI is still reportedly involved in the case, there must be a very solid reason for holding the details from the public and the remains in their possession IMO.

Aside from specific unexplained/unsourced injuries to the bones/remains, another possible reason for the odd LE strategy is that LE believes there was more than one person involved in Hailey's death and the perpetrators were not strangers to Hailey?

If LE believes that the only way to eventually prosecute the case is via a confession or one party turning on the other, they might want every single detail that only the killer(s) would know kept under lock and key.

IDK, it's very mysterious.

 

[Knox]

Texas Rangers: Adkins Still Suspect in Hailey Dunn Murder

The Texas Rangers confirm they are still considering Shawn Adkins a suspect in the murder and disappearance of Colorado City teen Hailey Dunn.

Adkins was in a relationship with Hailey's mother Billie Dunn when the teen disappeared six years ago.

The Texas Rangers also told KTAB and KRBC the Hailey Dunn case is still active and investigators continue to receive tips to this day.

Hailey disappeared without a trace after leaving home to spend the night with a friend.

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http://www.yourbasin.com/news/texas-rangers-adkins-still-suspect-in-hailey-dunn-murder/633382821

 

[Knox]

So where is Shawn Adkins today? The statement by the Texas Rangers begs another question, but I can't ask it ...

 

[nannymo]

Texas Rangers: Adkins Still Suspect in Hailey Dunn Murder

The Texas Rangers confirm they are still considering Shawn Adkins a suspect in the murder and disappearance of Colorado City teen Hailey Dunn.

Adkins was in a relationship with Hailey's mother Billie Dunn when the teen disappeared six years ago.

The Texas Rangers also told KTAB and KRBC the Hailey Dunn case is still active and investigators continue to receive tips to this day.

Hailey disappeared without a trace after leaving home to spend the night with a friend.

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http://www.yourbasin.com/news/texas-rangers-adkins-still-suspect-in-hailey-dunn-murder/633382821

BBM This same story was reported at bigcountryhomepage.com. IIRC wasn't it SA's story that she was going to spend the night with a friend? And didn't the friend say they never talked about spending the night? I think this story is a little misleading. It makes it sound like she left the housof her own free will and never returned when in fact I think this is the story SA came up with as an alibi. No one heard from Hailey that day....Am I remembering correctly?

 

[Knox]

Same crappy reporting, six years later. You remember correctly Nannymo.
http://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/n...s-friend-on-the-sleepover-that-never-happened

 

[katydid23]

BBM This same story was reported at bigcountryhomepage.com. IIRC wasn't it SA's story that she was going to spend the night with a friend? And didn't the friend say they never talked about spending the night? I think this story is a little misleading. It makes it sound like she left the housof her own free will and never returned when in fact I think this is the story SA came up with as an alibi. No one heard from Hailey that day....Am I remembering correctly?

Yes, you are on the right track. But 'someone' sent one text to her friend, If I remember correctly. But I have always believed it was sent by the killer.

My daughter, at 13, would have never just texted once, on a vacation day, looking for friends to hang out with. If someone did not reply she would have sent a few texts to others, looking for something to do, if she had permission to go out. So that lone text made no sense to me. If Hailey had plans to have a sleepover, in my opinion, she would have kept texting until she heard back from someone.

No one admits to hearing from Hailey or seeing her, except a somewhat questionable sighting, from a woman who said she 'thinks' she saw Hailey walking with some other kids that evening. The reason that I think she is mistaken is that it is a very small town. If Hailey had been out walking around with other kids , OTHER people would have reported sightings too. And other kids would have said they saw her too,imo.

 

[yllek]

Last October, just ahead of the 5th anniversary of Hailey's disappearance, I read an interview with Clint Dunn.

At the end of the interview, Clint said what I imagine a lot of people feel: "I'm just going to say it like this: we all know who did this. It's not fair that this type of person gets to go free after doing such a horrible thing to such an innocent person." http://www.newswest9.com/story/30387826/special-report-justice-for-hailey

Clint's pain, regret, confusion, frustration and anger over what happened to Hailey has always been palpable, to me. I hope he gets to see justice for his daughter sooner than later.

 

[Knox]

If LE thought only Adkins was involved and murdered Hailey. Would they release her remains? Clint has been careful not to mention Billie, just Shawn. I'd really like to hear Clints unedited thoughts on what happened to Hailey.

 

[lonetraveler]

If LE thought only Adkins was involved and murdered Hailey. Would they release her remains? Clint has been careful not to mention Billie, just Shawn. I'd really like to hear Clints unedited thoughts on what happened to Hailey.

I agree. I've always believed that Billie was involved in some way. Both failed the polygraph.

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[watergirl62]

I agree. I've always believed that Billie was involved in some way. Both failed the polygraph.

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Yep, which would be a very good reason to hang on to Hailey's remains. Its the only thing that makes sense.

 

[Knox]

Yep, which would be a very good reason to hang on to Hailey's remains. Its the only thing that makes sense.

I agree, but ponder what the legal reasoning is?

On March 16, 2013, the remains of the Colorado City teen were found near Lake Thomas in Scurry County. The remains, accompanied by some clothing, were positively identified as belonging to Hailey Darlene Dunn more than a month later on April 26. The remains were identified through DNA.

Since then, the remains have been sitting in an evidence room at the University of North Texas Science Center in Fort Worth.

&#8220;We are asking you Sheriff Wilson, if you do not have the evidence or ability to convene a grand jury to look into Hailey&#8217;s case, we ask that Hailey&#8217;s remains be released to her mother and father, Billie Jean Dunn and Clint Dunn, so they can lay their precious daughter to rest,&#8221; Allen wrote.

Calls to Wilson at the Scurry County Sheriff&#8217;s Office were referred to the FBI Thursday. The FBI reported no new developments on the case.

Hailey&#8217;s family supports the petition drive, since information has been sparce over the past year.

&#8220;All of the family would love to see an arrest and a conviction,&#8221; Billie Dunn said via phone Thursday. &#8220;We were told there was lots evidence by FBI and Texas Rangers. We&#8217;ve all been waiting for an arrest and waiting to get Hailey&#8217;s remains back.&#8221;

Allen asked for permission from the family to start the petition about six months ago.

Dunn, said she agreed after thinking it over, but even five months ago, she wasn&#8217;t sure that all of the evidence had been sufficiently retrieved by forensic scientists at UNT.

Dunn was told there was an abundance of evidence, so that is why she and other family members have been patient.

&#8220;I was hoping that Scurry County would get on the ball and not be put in a negative light,&#8221; Dunn said. &#8220;I wanted them to have all the evidence. But it&#8217;s been a year, we can get some lab work back and it&#8217;s enough to get a conviction.&#8221;

http://www.oaoa.com/news/article_0a8c99ee-ab00-11e3-9227-001a4bcf6878.html

 

[watergirl62]

Thanks Knox. I didn't know she was at UNT DNA lab. I actually find that reassuring... nothing against Scurry County. Hmm.