Hannah Graham: Body Recovered, 18 Oct, 2014 **Awaiting Forensic Confirmation**

[Justice101]

I watched it again and he does say "abandoned property" Maybe just in my mind I took it to assume building, I guess it was just the way it was worded. Sorry guys! I do however hope she was in a building, that in itself will be very telling IMO

That is not the key word. Did he say "In" or "On" the abandoned property?

 

[dda]

Then he would have to have been super organized with MH because according to key witnesses she was spotted on the road hitchhiking at around 9:23 pm by 9:30 there was no trace of her.

MH's body was moved to remote parcel of land in farm that likely required him to walk on foot some distance with her remains and somehow get around 2 barbed wire fences. That would take some serious planning and time, IMO.

A description of where MH was found:

“The grass probably would’ve been at least two feet, maybe three feet tall, at the time of this tragedy,” said a resident about their property. “Anyone going through that field by foot or by car, I would’ve seen the tracks…[A]nd I saw no tracks.”

The resident also detailed the division between Anchorage Farm and their property in Blandemar: a half-mile that includes a ridge (“very steep&#8221, a creek, woods and several rows of barbed wire fencing. “Not that it couldn’t be done. It could be done, but with great difficulty. At night, I’d say pretty much impossible.”

http://www.c-ville.com/Local_search...ns_remains_are_found_with_video/#.VEL3APnF8r4

There appear to be easier ways to that location (still gates and a wire fence) than the media has made out. Especially if the person has been there before. MOO.

 

[Heroine]

Um...Must be different in America, but abandoned property still makes me think a house or barn rather than abandoned land. We'll have to wait for it to be clarified, I guess.



Good point. I have no idea, but would imagine quite a while. Migmuu seems to be studying in this area and may know more.

I agree! I took it to mean a house or structure.

 

[HauntsForHope]

Thank Heavens she's been found and can be returned to her parents. I hope there's dna to connect him to the crime. They can now stack up the charges and put him away forever.

 

[Pacific2011]

Attn: "Find HG" and "Gilamon" have been noticeably absent during our postings on this thread today!

Just hoping that they are well and not hurting from the news about the finding of the body.

Please let us know .we miss you!

 

[dda]

That is not the key word. Did he say "In" or "On" the abandoned property?

I think he said "at."

 

[south fishy]

I was driving last night from NC to PA up I-81. A convoy of police cars with lights and sirens blew past me onto exit 221, I-64. Even though I had no idea where I was in relation to Charlottesville or areas connected to this case, my thoughts immediately went to Hannah. I was reading this case here religiously but had not kept up with anything the past 10 days while vacationing. Now looking at the map in relation to the body recovery, I am a bit creeped out.

Incidentally, I got off at the next exit, near Staunton, VA for gas and coffee. I parked in the far end of the parking lot. As someone who lives in center city Philly and sees shady behavior on a daily basis (and is hyper-vigilant about my movements there), I was shocked at the "atmosphere". My hinky meter was going off like crazy. Loads of young girls and guys pulling in and out, trading cars, waiting, walking back and forth, etc. they were NOT just hanging out. I'd bet a lot of money on it. As I walked inside I thought "this reminds me of the CCV of Alexis Murphy I saw on Websleauths. I wonder if that is near here?" Well, again, when I looked at the map and pinpointed where HG and MH bodies were found, then where AM was last seen, that meter started moving again (and, yes, I was quite close).

I can't explain it, but this whole case seemed to be waving its hands right in front of me last night even though I had no idea where I was. And I cannot shake the uneasy feeling I felt about that area around the gas station. I was overwhelmed to realize that I typically feel safe in similar environments, but my observations were so different there, I made a point to remember to look it up when I got home to see if there were any institutions nearby that would explain the high number of this kind of young loiterers in this area.

And right when I went to do that tonight, the breaking news on finding the body shows up. The whole thing is sickening. I have to say, though, suddenly I can understand how JM could have gone unnoticed all this time. His behavior would have blended right in to at least some of the area subculture.

 

[ksj3]

If it's the property indicated above, 20 minutes give or take. Could be a bit farther S than that, or a bit farther N, but based upon the area of reported road closure, 15-25 minutes.

And from there, about 10 minutes to the Trading Post, where he was reported to have been seen later on, though we don't know when he was reported to have been seen there.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think hair is adequate for LE especially if a trial is anticipated. Tissue is required because a more exact measurement of each drug must be documented. I may be wrong, but hair yields very general results just verifying presence or not of a particular drug. Anyone know differently?

In my limited experience, toxicology reports can take several months. Maybe they can expedite since this is high profile.

Toxicology tests usually take 6-8 weeks to return to the ME. Until then they cant finalize their report. However; knowing Longo he will ask for a rush and most likely will get it.

He made another mistake by burying her in a shallow grave. While she will be in a state of decomposition it will not be nearly the amount had she been left above ground in the elements.

Drugs found in hair samples are usually those who have been on drugs for quite awhile. I believe they will find ample tissue samples to do a tox test.

Hair can yield very definitive results though if found in the hair. I just don't think it will advance this case or even be needed.

Personally, I don't think he drugged her. He is one sicko and I think he thoroughly enjoys his victims where they feel every pain he inflicts upon them before he finally murders them. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hannah also has crushed or broken/fractured bones.

IMO

 

[citygirl]

Property could mean open LAND, whereas structure or house would mean a building with four walls and a roof. Very different!

But in the end does it really matter? In due time we will know.

 

[atthelake]

Feeling a need for a :grouphug:

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[JudyBolton]

No offence, but what is really the difference? Property, structure, house....All the same thing in the end, no?

Just semantics!

Still catching up - someone may have said this but real estate agents use the term "property" to mean house and surrounding lot/acreage. I think the fact that Jean C. went on to speculate about how her body being inside a structure meant less decompostion, etc. means that she was being precise about it being a "structure". The Chief may have been intentionally vague in saying property or he may have just used that in a generic sense- property meaning the structure and surrounding acreage was unkept and not occupied. jmho

 

[Justice101]

I just watched the press conference again... and he clearly says they "were searching an abandoned property when human remains were found".

Property in this case means acreage.... now, it might turn out she was found in a barn, house, etc... but at this point, Longo seems to have only meant acreage.

 

[tlcya]

until ME has confirmed ID and ruled on MOD or COD it is standard IME for this to be called a "death investigation" at this point

 

[Heroine]

That is not the key word. Did he say "In" or "On" the abandoned property?

This is an exact quote, I wrote it down to make sure I got it right...

Sometime before noon today a search team from chesterfield co sherrifs dept was searching an abandoned property on old lynchburg rd in southern albermarle co when they discovered what appears to be human remains

 

[LI-Mom]

So this is weird. I had posted about that OOB attempt I did to find Hannah, and I had the word iron forge in my head. And when I googled forges near Charlottesville this was the map that came up, page 2. (Sorry, can't figure out how to just insert the map)

http://www.dmme.virginia.gov/commercedocs/VM 49_1_2.pdf

Hannah was found off the section of Old Lynchburg Rd. between Olds' Forge and Olds's Furnace? That map had me fixated on that area, yikes.

 

[citygirl]

Abandoned property to me translates to a structure. An abandoned structure; house , barn, whatever. MOO.

 

[Emaa]

I wonder how this will affect the hearing in December.

 

[kshultz06082]

honestly, you never want to believe it could be someone you know because these things happen to "other" people... ask me how i know

Ok... I will bite... How do you know?

 

[DizzyB]

I've been watching Jean C for years, way back to the Court TV days. I have never heard her misspeak and provide the kind of detail she did based on conjecture. I think there's more info she is privy to.