Holly Bobo found deceased, discussion thread *Arrests* #7

[Orgona]

I understand, and I don't dismiss the idea that the defense is making claims that aren't true.

But keep in mind that there is a difference between
(a) the evidence that was presented to the grand jury to get an indictment, and
(b) the evidence (if any) that has been presented to the defense so far
(c) and based on his statements, Beres isn't even sure of what the GJ was given, much less what the defense has been provided.

Yes, I'm aware all of the above.

NB is not a member of the defense or the prosecution, so I'm not expecting him to know everything about the case. That would be naive. I'm even surprised he came to know something the other journalists did not.
But he promises to share some details about the case he thinks are new to the general public. I'm not expecting anything more than that and he wasn't promising anything more than that either.
It wouldn't be the first case someone has an inside scoop on a case, but it wouldn't be the first time if we won't hear anything new to us either. We will see. I still think if this turns out to be correct, then it's more likely he was able to see some documents from the circle of someone who is in no state to testify anymore.

I hope I can find it on the website tomorrow, as by the time it will air I'll be most likely sound asleep here. Any link would be appreciated.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Here's a Tweet from Nick Beres about tonight's exclusive:


Nick Beres @NC5_NickBeres · 21h 21 hours ago

BOBO EXCLUSIVE: The evidence against the two murder suspects! Finally -- see for yourself. Monday at 6! #nc5

Link: https://twitter.com/NC5_NickBeres

 

[Bali]

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Two accused killers have been charged with the murder of Holly Bobo, but defense attorneys argue there's no proof. To date, the evidence has remained a mystery until now.

NewsChannel 5 has learned some of the details that led to the arrests of Zach Adams and Jason Autry. They spell out the case against the prime suspects.

Adams and Autry have been accused of killing Holly Bobo.

Timeline Of Holly Bobo Case

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http://www.scrippsmedia.com/newscha...o-Murder-Suspects-To-The-Crime-304166301.html

 

[nitsirk]

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Two accused killers have been charged with the murder of Holly Bobo, but defense attorneys argue there's no proof. To date, the evidence has remained a mystery until now.

NewsChannel 5 has learned some of the details that led to the arrests of Zach Adams and Jason Autry. They spell out the case against the prime suspects.

Adams and Autry have been accused of killing Holly Bobo.

Timeline Of Holly Bobo Case
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Thanks Bali. Do you have a link to this?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Thanks Bali. Do you have a link to this?

:seeya: Not Bali, but here's the link to the above article by Nick Beres:

http://www.scrippsmedia.com/newscha...o-Murder-Suspects-To-The-Crime-304166301.html

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Link: http://www.scrippsmedia.com/newscha...o-Murder-Suspects-To-The-Crime-304166301.html


Oh, how I wish we could see copies of the original documents that Nick obtained ...

But in the meantime, below is info from the article that may be "new" info -- or maybe not so "new" -- along with my :twocents:


- On the day Bobo disappeared, he went to his brother's home to get his truck. Dylan "observed Holly Lynn Bobo sitting in a green chair in the living room wearing a pink t-shirt, with Jason Wayne Autry standing just a few feet away."


BBM: New info ... we know Dylan "talked" -- and can't forget that SA had an "immunity deal" so he obviously "talked" as well -- but am wondering IF Dylan and Shayne's stories match up ?

Just a thought ...



- Dylan also described his brother, Zach "as wearing camouflage shorts, black cut-off-sleeve t-shirt and a pair of green Crocs" shoes.

- NewsChannel 5 found the evidence file included this Croc footwear print lifted from the carport at Bobo's home where Holly was abducted.


BBM: "Camouflage shorts" -- but Camo Man was seen in "full camo" according to CB ... maybe he ditched the "camo" -- just guessing ...

Now the Croc footwear print IS new info, and very interesting.



- Dylan also said Zach told him "he had raped Bobo and videotaped it." There have been rumors of such a video, but to date no such video has been found.


BBM: JMO but I have always believed that there was a video, and where there's smoke, there's a fire !

But without the video itself, I don't think any testimony will be allowed in, IMO ...



- The case file includes crime scene photographs of blood discovered in the carport at Bobo's home. The blood matches Holly's DNA and may help explain how she was taken.

BBM: We knew about blood in the carport, but finally confirmation.



- Another document describes what was found during a search of Zach Adams' home. "Forensic scientists recovered a blond hair covered in dust from a bedroom closet." Is the hair Holly's? Did her abductors confine her in a closet? The results of forensic testing remain a mystery.


BBM: I wonder when they found this "hair" -- was on the first search, or the second ?

And of course, waiting on the forensics !


JMO and :moo:

 

[nitsirk]

I haven't followed this case for awhile so I wasn't sure if this was new info for everyone. Glad to see some movement and hopefully it goes to trial soon so Holly can finally get justice.

 

[Tugela]

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Two accused killers have been charged with the murder of Holly Bobo, but defense attorneys argue there's no proof. To date, the evidence has remained a mystery until now.

NewsChannel 5 has learned some of the details that led to the arrests of Zach Adams and Jason Autry. They spell out the case against the prime suspects.

Adams and Autry have been accused of killing Holly Bobo.

Timeline Of Holly Bobo Case
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So, basically what they are saying is that this evidence they claimed to have "discovered" are the allegations that DA made. While that may be ok as probable cause in a grand jury hearing, the problem will be admissibility in the trial itself. Particularly since DA has now been charged himself and presumably won't be repeating this in the trial of the other two.

What the prosecution will need to get a conviction is to find physical corroboration of these allegations otherwise they would be worthless. If DA testifies the evidence they would need would simply be stuff corroborating what he says. If he doesn't testify then they would need to find stuff that proves guilt independently of his allegations (although discovered as a result of the allegations). That would be a much higher bar to cross. My guess is that the reason for all the stalling is that the corroboration is lacking, and they are hoping to find something in the interim or there will likely be a dismissal before the trial ends.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Here's the photo Nick Beres posted on his NC5-FB Page about the "shoeprint" -- or "croc print" -- which some think is a "boot print" !


NC5_NickBeres Yesterday at 5:46am ·

EXCLUSIVE: You are looking at one of the crime scene photographs in the Holly Bobo case. Is this the footprint from the person who abducted her? Tonight -- in my special report -- the evidence against the two suspects in the case. Will it be enough to convict? See for yourself tonight on Newschannel 5 at 6!

 

[Bali]

Random thought: crocs are a weird choice of footwear for going to kidnap someone. They're the shoes you wear because they're easy to throw on to run to Walmart. The problem is they fall off easy and are slightly clumsy. i would choose tennis shoes or boots or basically anything other than crocs or sandals. Of course, that doesn't mean it wasn't a spur of the moment thing without any thought process behind it, but it struck me as odd.

If they're able to match shoe size and wear patterns with something in Zach's closet, now that might be something. But it could also just be that a friend or relative of Holly's wore them around the property. Hmmm...

 

[OldSteve]

Random thought: crocs are a weird choice of footwear for going to kidnap someone. They're the shoes you wear because they're easy to throw on to run to Walmart. The problem is they fall off easy and are slightly clumsy. i would choose tennis shoes or boots or basically anything other than crocs or sandals. Of course, that doesn't mean it wasn't a spur of the moment thing without any thought process behind it, but it struck me as odd.

If they're able to match shoe size and wear patterns with something in Zach's closet, now that might be something. But it could also just be that a friend or relative of Holly's wore them around the property. Hmmm...

Agree! Picturing someone in cameflage clothing wearing Crocs is somewhat comical -- the orange pair Mario Bartallie wears comes to mind.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Agree! Picturing someone in cameflage clothing wearing Crocs is somewhat comical -- the orange pair Mario Bartallie wears comes to mind.

:seeya:

BBM: :hilarious: :hilarious: Yep, it is !

So I did a search for some images to see if anyone would wear Camo and Crocs, but I did find some "Camo Crocs" ... lol !

Link:http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...=images of camouflage crocs&sc=0-23&sp=-1&sk=

 

[Bali]

Agree! Picturing someone in cameflage clothing wearing Crocs is somewhat comical -- the orange pair Mario Bartallie wears comes to mind.

Oh God, I hadn't even thought of the footwear in relation to the camo! Yeah...that would be such a weird shoe choice to wear with camo.

 

[Bali]

For the sake of disclosure, I'll stay upfront that I think everything Dylan said is bogus, but let's say he actually did witness something like this:

*Did Clint say the kidnapper was wearing shorts? When I picture someone wearing camo, like if I'm going to describe someone as wearing camo, I would probably only describe it that way if they were wearing head to toe camo, like camo pants and a coat. It would be unusual if Zach wore camo shorts and a camo jacket (who wears shorts and a jacket), so the only logical conclusion is that he changed clothes. Kind of a weird thing to do after kidnapping someone. I mean, maybe he had Holly's blood on him so he changed clothes, but still weird. Also, as Steve noted, crocs are a strange footwear choice with camo

*How likely would it be for Dylan, who is mentally disabled, to be able to describe everyone's clothing in such detail? I *might* be able to remember what my kids are wearing if I picked their clothing out, but most people just don't notice that kind of thing, especially a couple years later. Yet, he noticed specifics like Zach's wearing crocs? (My vision of how this interrogation went was something like "We know someone was wearing crocs and camo, it was Zach, wasn't it???")

 

[Steleheart]

What kind of mental disability does Dylan Have? Who diagnosed him? What kinds of mental disabilities prevent a person from describing clothing, colors, type, etc.? Is his disability blindness? Down Syndrome? Autism? Will this reasoning be presented to a jury?

For the record, I am wearing a jacket and shorts today.


MOO

 

[nitsirk]

Crocs were really popular in my area around this time. I could see someone who was into camo buying camo crocs. Imo

 

[Steleheart]

Crocs were really popular in my area around this time. I could see someone who was into camo buying camo crocs. Imo

True, and something tells me he wasn't exactly turkey hunting that morning. If he was smart enough he would have worn boots to pull off the look.

 

[Bali]

What kind of mental disability does Dylan Have? Who diagnosed him? What kinds of mental disabilities prevent a person from describing clothing, colors, type, etc.? Is his disability blindness? Down Syndrome? Autism? Will this reasoning be presented to a jury?

For the record, I am wearing a jacket and shorts today.


MOO

What was your family wearing April 13, 2011? What were they wearing last thursday? Choose any random date, even a date with something surprising and memorable happening and describe what everyone was wearing down to their shoes. Try it.

 

[SteveS]

Not meaning disrespect to anyone's comments here, but if this pile of "Dylan maybe said this or that" and "some stuff may indicate something if it's tested" is all that Beres really found, then he did NOT really lay to rest the defense's claims of "we have no evidence against our clients" as he said he would." This is weak sauce for a murder case. But, as I surmised, it's great fodder for TV sweeps week when drawing viewers is a huge deal in the TV industry.

Hopefully there's way more than this, for the sake of Holly and her family. But if this is the best they can do, their case is in deep ****.

 

[SteveS]

My vision of how this interrogation went was something like "We know someone was wearing crocs and camo, it was Zach, wasn't it???"

Yep. Those who are mentally "slow" (which I believe is true with Dylan, although the prosecution will try to minimize this) are also prone to being easily suggestible, and easy to manipulate with sly questioning. If that's their key evidence, some Q&A "information" from Dylan, imo for the sake of justice they need to have something besides "We got Dylan to say this" as corroboration.