Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #2 ***ARREST***

[~n/t~]

No problem. Shawn Adkins has been the only POI in HD's case for the last 3 years; still no arrest and they have her remains. Zach Adams was a POI from day one, it took LE 3 years to get an arrest, and they have proof of death( maybe even remains).

I probably didn't explain it well. What I was trying to say is sometimes it takes years to get enough evidence to arrest the POI--with or w/o remains. hth

Everyone knew SA is the POI in Haileys case from day 1. Not in Holly's case. They continued to let the family and the public believe they had no suspects.

They were one clue away from solving the case 3 years ago. Yup. Whatever.

 

[Suthrnqt]

My point was if they knew about ZA 3 years ago, the family should have been ruled out immediately. I've followed many cases throughout the years as well.

I'm sorry Sierra's family had to go through the same nightmare.


BTW IIRC, Jessica Lunsford was buried alive. OT

I never knew the family had ever been suspected by LE in Holly's disappearance.

:dunno:

 

[Dogface]

Love hearing all the different pov's everyone has...It makese nervous to think they don't have enough evidence to convict him. Personally, I couldn't imagine them getting search warrants and an arrest 3 years later without having enough information. I hope they have it sewn up, and that they will not even offer a plea because they haver enough to get the DP.

I don't know a lot about trials and what not, but, is it common for a grand jury to feel there is enough evidence, but at trial the person get off?

 

[Kimster]

I never knew the family had ever been suspected by LE in Holly's disappearance.

:dunno:

They weren't.

 

[Wonless]

RE: Receipts being found tied to ZA

Oceanblueeyes, you may want to listen/watch the video again. I had posted the TV 4 link a few pages back when we were discussing whether remains were located during the Feb 28/2014 search. As I was viewing the video the verification of the receipts being located as well as the location of the find caught my attention. The receipts from HB's book bag being located, imo, were only rumor up until this point(not verified by TBI). There was talk among searchers on the Easter search that receipts and school papers from her book bag had been located during a search in the days after her abduction. If my memory is correct, it was also reported on the WOW series..
According to the TV 4 video linked below the receipts were located in the woods adjacent to ZA's property. Imo, the receipts would have been dated and possessed by HB prior to 04/13/2011.

ZA search warrants execution 02/28/2014
http://www.wsmv.com/story/24851714/...arrants-in-connection-with-bobo-disappearance

It seems to me that there is somewhat of a disconnect between what locals know about the case(including local press), or at less what locals gossip about, and what is reported in MSM. It concerns me that in the days following the disappearance when searches were still continuing that nobody thought to have HS take a look at ZA to see if he was the suspect in that case, which could have gotten them a SW for the adams lane property days and not years later. I would really like to know what the "rumors" about the adams property where and what locals thought/suspected at that time in connection with ZA. I just don't get the picture of what LE has going on here.

 

[Dogface]

I never knew the family had ever been suspected by LE in Holly's disappearance.

:dunno:

LE never said they were suspected, however, I think there was speculation by some in the public. Probably as a result of no suspect IMO. And of course as with any crime, people typically look at those closest because it's an unfortunate fact that many crimes are carried out by those closest to the victim. Let me be clear though, I never thought it was anyone particularly close to her, and LE never said they thought that either. I believe it was Clint who took the brunt of those baseless allegations.

 

[Suthrnqt]

They weren't.

Thanks for confirming what I thought I knew. Did that make sense?
I think, IMO, that LE had ZA and his cohorts in their crosshairs early on. JMO.

 

[~n/t~]

I never knew the family had ever been suspected by LE in Holly's disappearance.

:dunno:

Nobody was cleared.

GWYN: We have not developed any type of tunnel vision. No one has been cleared no matter what their relationship with Holly may be.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1104/20/ng.01.html

 

[Steleheart]

I'm confused.

Who here has accused Clint or Drew?

But if true that they have been falsely accused, there again it is the same thing that has happened in countless other cases. I could fill up a page where the internet masses got it wrong and it was not the suspect that had been speculated about.

Most every police department I have ever seen never rules anyone out. The only case I can even remember where it did happen was in Jessica Ridgeway's case and they ruled out the parents due to them having alibis. Other than that one case I cant ever remember LE coming out and specifically naming someone by name as being ruled out before a suspect has even been arrested and charged.

LE isn't into the public relations department. They aren't there to clear people publicly. They have left so many innocent families over the years twisting in the wind while they were being accused falsely night and day by the internet masses. It only finally stopped once the real suspect was arrested and charged and some didn't even stop then. Then some thought they were smarter than the police who actually gathered the evidence to arrest the REAL suspect.:banghead:

You should really read about Sierra's case. What police said in that case and this one have similarities. So sad......Marlene was always full of hope that the searchers would find her daughter alive. The searchers still look for her daughter's body even though years have passed.

I have followed so many cases through the years (maybe too many LOL) so I have seen these very same statements made by other LE. So what they said before they arrested Adams isn't something new that I have never seen before.
IMO

BBM;
But remember how quickly Jessica's case unfolded. Within a couple of days they had the back pack. At the time 'we' didn't know anything, but after the fact we find out what they knew. The back pack had her glasses, all her clothes except her jacket, her urine soaked pants, etc. This was a purposeful and calculated act by the perp. It was a taunt - with the glasses, water bottle clothing, etc., it was a statement that said she's dead. Come find me. At that point LE knew this was something beyond what parents, caregivers, etc would do. They had a killer. They just didn't know it was a kid. (Sigg) So they were fine with letting the family be ruled out. IMO it wasn't just because of their alibis - they just didn't fit the profile/ evidence. At that time they put out a new update re; Don't focus on what she was wearing but how she looked - she had a space in her teeth, Etc. I think they even published a pic of her without her glasses.
In most other cases they will not rule anyone out or in and if they do you can bet they're on to something big.
MOO

~ Are there ever too many?

 

[Foxfire]

Imo, in many cases LE is hesitant to publicly rule folks out to prevent getting bitten in the butt later on into the investigation(CYA). Imo, the lack of a consistent media management strategy and mixed messages by the various DCSO/TBI PIOs and MS Media coverage in the Holly Bobo investigation only provoked rumor, speculation, suspicion, and finger pointing by others.

The Heather Elvis case(SC - 12/2013) is a recent example of investigators publicly ruling out a person of interest in her case. The last known person to see her before she became missing was a first time date. HCPD ruled him out and reported it in a timely manner.

The Mickey Shunick case is another fairly recent case where a friend was ruled out as a suspect/POI..

 

[Suthrnqt]

Nobody was cleared.




http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1104/20/ng.01.html

Are you saying Kimster is wrong? She will get you with her laser beam.

 

[Leader6518]

The issue I have is they claim to have voluminous evidence against the perp that they apparently gathered for 3 years. Yes, I agree perhaps he was their POI all along but looking back, the Bobos have spent countless days looking for a live Holly. Private searches, gliders, truck campaigns, highest reward in any missing person case that I've followed and much more without one iota of communication to the Bobos. They were basically left in the dark for 3 long years.

IIRC even when the searches were being conducted LE said they want to bring Holly home safely. What? If they had all this evidence how can they give the family such unrealistic expectations?

I don't believe that ZA was on their radar from the very beginning. I think they had a profile, but it took awhile to interview and pull together information to start pointing to one person.

As for the evidence, I think LE is trying to NOT alert other people who may be involved and I don't think they want ZA to know that evidence they have until they have to tell his defense team. By keeping everything close to the vest, they are able to determine if information they may get is consistent with evidence or a load of BS. I'm sure they want those involved to sweat a little and maybe tell what they know so they can bring Holly home if they haven't already found her.

Those of us who followed Caylee Anthony's case were spoiled by the Sunshine law in Florida. We want to know what LE has, but their job is to do what they can to find Holly and to gather the evidence for a jury of reasonable people to determine the evidence points to a person or persons without a reasonable doubt.

Releasing their case details to the public will diminish the ability to give Holly the justice she deserves.

Hopefully, the trial will be broadcast so we do get to hear what evidence they have, but I believe they have enough for a solid case against the person charged. All JMOO

 

[Foxfire]

I don't believe that ZA was on their radar from the very beginning. I think they had a profile, but it took awhile to interview and pull together information to start pointing to one person.

As for the evidence, I think LE is trying to NOT alert other people who may be involved and I don't think they want ZA to know that evidence they have until they have to tell his defense team. By keeping everything close to the vest, they are able to determine if information they may get is consistent with evidence or a load of BS. I'm sure they want those involved to sweat a little and maybe tell what they know so they can bring Holly home if they haven't already found her.

Those of us who followed Caylee Anthony's case were spoiled by the Sunshine law in Florida. We want to know what LE has, but their job is to do what they can to find Holly and to gather the evidence for a jury of reasonable people to determine the evidence points to a person or persons without a reasonable doubt.

Releasing their case details to the public will diminish the ability to give Holly the justice she deserves.

Hopefully, the trial will be broadcast so we do get to hear what evidence they have, but I believe they have enough for a solid case against the person charged. All JMOO

Leader6518, a profile, although very important is only one investigative tool of many in missing/murdered persons cases.

Imo, the TBI knew who abducted HB by Easter afternoon, 2011. Documented by Hollye's Case Map, the items located in the volunteer searches through 04/24/2011 would have lead investigators straight to Adams Lane, imo...

Holly Bobo ~ 4/13/2011 Case Map From page 1 - 1st comment
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Created on Apr 14, 2011 · By Hollye
https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid...93,-88.241501&spn=0.184722,0.31414&dg=feature

 

[Montjoy]

I don't believe that ZA was on their radar from the very beginning. I think they had a profile, but it took awhile to interview and pull together information to start pointing to one person.

Yes, there is no WS-quality evidence to suggest that ZA has always been a/the suspect. There have been some folks who, after his arrest, suggested that he has always been the suspect, but that's another matter altogether.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Yes, there is no WS-quality evidence to suggest that ZA has always been a/the suspect. There have been some folks who, after his arrest, suggested that he has always been the suspect, but that's another matter altogether.

All I know is it's been rumored for at least 2+ years elsewhere. I remember reading about it. Thought it was out there too at the time. Some sleuther I am..doh jmo

 

[Wonless]

All I know is it's been rumored for at least 2+ years elsewhere. I remember reading about it. Thought it was out there too at the time. Some sleuther I am..doh jmo

If true..and apparently at least locally in the Darden TN area "rumors" about ZA have swirled from the beginning, how is it possible to let him walk for 3 years with doing something to get a SW to retrieve evidence. OK lets assume that TBI has ZA in there "sites" Easter 2011. They don't move in right away because they are concerned that he has Holly alive and in a secret location which if they arrest him they may not be able to locate, so they use some secret squirrel technology(drone?) to track his every movement. At some point, say 2 weeks or a month he doesn't go because obviously, Holly was not found, so then why not get a SW to collect physical evidence at that time, especially knowing that when last seem Holly was bleeding??? I don't get why if he was being watched, this was not done? It doesn't make sense.

 

[~n/t~]

Are you saying Kimster is wrong? She will get you with her laser beam.

Not at all. It all goes back to the discussion about Adams being the POI without the family nor the public being made aware. There are other statements made by LE on the same topic. There is a Jackson Sun article and an interview with director John Mehr where the reporter specifically asked about Clint and Drew and again he stated nobody was ruled out. This was a couple of years ago, IIRC

I believe I posted the links back then. They may be still available online. I don't know.

Anyway, it was just a point I was trying to make that if Adams was their POI 3 years ago , and they had collected all this voluminous evidence against him, I think it was clearly unjust to the family to be continuously having to defend Clint and Drew from the public's suspicions. Yes, I was one of those who could not eliminate Clint as being involved and I was the first to apologize when the announcement was made that Adams was arrested for Holly's kidnapping and murder.

Needless to say, I'm not impressed by how this case was handled

Here's another article.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/holly-bobos-kin-not-ruled-out-in-disappearance/

 

[~n/t~]

In May 2011, they announced they were one clue away from cracking the case.

http://www.wtoc.com/story/14895055/investigators-close-to-cracking-holly-bobo-case-5-12-2011

 

[Foxfire]

Not at all. It all goes back to the discussion about Adams being the POI without the family nor the public being made aware. There are other statements made by LE on the same topic. There is a Jackson Sun article and an interview with director John Mehr where the reporter specifically asked about Clint and Drew and again he stated nobody was ruled out. This was a couple of years ago, IIRC

I believe I posted the links back then. They may be still available online. I don't know.

Anyway, it was just a point I was trying to make that if Adams was their POI 3 years ago , and they had collected all this voluminous evidence against him, I think it was clearly unjust to the family to be continuously having to defend Clint and Drew from the public's suspicions. Yes, I was one of those who could not eliminate Clint as being involved and I was the first to apologize when the announcement was made that Adams was arrested for Holly's kidnapping and murder.

Needless to say, I'm not impressed by how this case was handled

Here's another article.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/holly-bobos-kin-not-ruled-out-in-disappearance/

In May 2011, they announced they were one clue away from cracking the case.

http://www.wtoc.com/story/14895055/investigators-close-to-cracking-holly-bobo-case-5-12-2011

'Now that it has been confirmed by the TV 4 msm news video of the location of where the receipts from HB's book bag were found; wooded area adjacent to ZA's property, combined with the info from Hollye's case map. There is a very bleak and dark picture beginning to emerge, imo'...

Hollye's case map link;
https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid...93,-88.241501&spn=0.184722,0.31414&dg=feature
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* Holly Abducted ~ 4/13/11
Bobo Residence 681 Swan Johnson Road Darden TN

* Holly's Lunch Bag & Duct Tape Found ~ 4/14/11

* Roads from 681 Swan Road Darden Tn to Adams Lane Holladay TN, Along Evidence Found Locations

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CNN Transcript of Nancy Grace Show - April 20/2011 - DEBORAH NORVILLE, GUEST HOST(one week after Holly's abduction)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1104/20/ng.01.html
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Now, Deborah, what is interesting is the police, however, TBI, Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, has been leading this search, and today, rather than searching, have been focused more on the investigative process. They told me today that they focused more on interviewing people, talking to witnesses, re-interviewing people they`d already spoken to before and following up leads.

NORVILLE: And the reason for that, Rupa, would be that with the passage of time, people have had a chance to sort their thoughts and maybe something now occurs to them that hadn`t seemed important at the time they may have first spoken with investigators.

MIKKILINENI: Absolutely. That`s right, Deborah. And you know, in addition to that, we also know that there have been items found in these searches, but we`re not 100 percent confirmed as to whether these items are, in fact, related to Holly Bobo.

For example, we heard reportedly that there was a bundle of papers, perhaps school papers, wet school papers found inside the wooded area, the search area. Now, we don`t know if these are actually belonging to Holly Bobo.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't believe that ZA was on their radar from the very beginning. I think they had a profile, but it took awhile to interview and pull together information to start pointing to one person.

As for the evidence, I think LE is trying to NOT alert other people who may be involved and I don't think they want ZA to know that evidence they have until they have to tell his defense team. By keeping everything close to the vest, they are able to determine if information they may get is consistent with evidence or a load of BS. I'm sure they want those involved to sweat a little and maybe tell what they know so they can bring Holly home if they haven't already found her.

Those of us who followed Caylee Anthony's case were spoiled by the Sunshine law in Florida. We want to know what LE has, but their job is to do what they can to find Holly and to gather the evidence for a jury of reasonable people to determine the evidence points to a person or persons without a reasonable doubt.

Releasing their case details to the public will diminish the ability to give Holly the justice she deserves.

Hopefully, the trial will be broadcast so we do get to hear what evidence they have, but I believe they have enough for a solid case against the person charged. All JMOO

Great post. I am a firm believer that cases should be tried in the courtroom instead of in the public. By not releasing any evidence it not only gives Holly a better chance of receiving the justice she deserves, but it also diminishes the defendant's appellate issues if he is convicted.

And the 27 volumes amassed over a three year time period is not going to be just pertaining to Adams exclusively. It includes everything that was done from beginning to end during the long three year investigation. It is going to be filled with all the interviews they conducted which I think is a vast amount. Leads and tips they received, and followed up on with the results notated. Whether the investigation at the beginning was about Adams is irrelevant when it comes to the 27 volumes of discovery. It just means he will be in there somewhere along with the entire investigation being done. The DA is required to turnover all discovery. That means everything and every interview LE conducted throughout including any other search warrants that transpired. The defense team gets the whole enchilada.

If, during some of the interviews, the person(s) named another possible suspect(s), then that is the type of information Adams attorney is looking for because they can try to point to some other dude did it.

So the entire folders aren't going to just pertain to Adams only. The one thing it does show though is the TBI never let go of investigating Holly's case even though it took them three years to finally arrest the suspect.

The main point that is the most important to me is they now have arrested/charged the suspect and he is off the streets where he cant harm another victim.

Would it have been better if they had arrested him in 2011? Of course it would,, but the wheels of justice moves slowly sometime, but the wheel does keep rolling even if it isn't at the speed we would like to see.

IMO