How to get yourself & a child out of the school and into a vehicle?

[joshiesmom]

How does anyone know whether or not Terri/Kaine were responsible for driving Kyron to Medford every other weekend? :waitasec:

 

[CaringCitizen]

How does anyone know whether or not Terri/Kaine were responsible for driving Kyron to Medford every other weekend? :waitasec:

I haven't seen anything on this so this is just a hunch. I would imagine they both did this when schedules allowed. It is a very long drive - even if you are only meeting half way. And then there's the return trip too. That's a lot of hours in the car every other weekend.

This is why the drive to Medford is part of my fictional account posted in SM focus #3 thread in terms of possibilities for major frustration. It would get old for anyone, but especially if there existed any animosity toward certain family members.

 

[Kimster]

Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to get yourself and a child:

1) out of this school

2) into a vehicle

3) drive away without anyone seeing the child in your vehicle

Parameters:

a) there are many people entering the school as you do this, both adults and children. Keep this in mind, because you must ensure, or minimize the chances of, anyone seeing the child with you.

b) there are many people exiting the school as you do this. Most are adults; few, if any, are children. Keep this in mind because the child you need to get into your vehicle will stand out as a rare child exiting the school. You must ensure, or minimize the chances of, anyone seeing the child with you.

c) the child may or may not be seen for a final time at the south entrance of the school

d) the vehicle may or may not be a Ford truck or a red Mustang

e) you may or may not have one distinctive feature that would normally be very noticeable to others - very long, curly red hair.

f) the has one distinctive feature that would normally make him more memorable - he wears glasses. Only approximately 10% of children wear glasses. http://www.dictionaryfordads.com/childrenandglasses.htm

This exercise may help us to develop leads and tips we could send in to LE, if we can come up with several ways this can be accomplished, so...

How would you do it? Go!

Pictures of school, some with entrances defined, are here:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Skyline Elementary School


and here:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Skyline Elementary School


What other parameters/requirements does this have to be accomplished within?

Bumping up the topic of this thread. Please follow these parameters.

 

[Calliope]

That last bolded statement made things clearer to me: Kyron was not seen without an adult in the parking lot. He would have stood out.

That doesn't mean he wasn't seen.

It may mean that:

a) No one noticed him, so no one reported seeing him;

or

b) Someone did notice him, did report it to LE but they are keeping it quiet;

or

c) No one did see him, meaning he left at a time when there was no one in a position to see him or he was in some way disguised or obscured.

or

d) he left (was lured or taken) through the exit on the field side of the school (the exit closest to his classroom).

 

[joshiesmom]

I haven't seen anything on this so this is just a hunch. I would imagine they both did this when schedules allowed. It is a very long drive - even if you are only meeting half way. And then there's the return trip too. That's a lot of hours in the car every other weekend.

This is why the drive to Medford is part of my fictional account posted in SM focus #3 thread in terms of possibilities for major frustration. It would get old for anyone, but especially if there existed any animosity toward certain family members.

Thanks for clarifying that point.

I agree that the drive gets old. I have a chronically-ill child whose specialists are all in Portland, so I "get" to make the 5 hour drive on a regular basis. My husband and I have both done the "up to Portland & back in one day" trip multiple times and you're right that it's a lot of driving.

 

[human]

But what 7 year old wouldn't tell his friends, with great excitement, that his mom was going to take him to get a REAL LIVE tree frog at 9am?

Perhaps the child told his friend about the cool electric project instead.

Somewhere off campus.

 

[Astrella613]

I am familiar with the episode -- The Priory School...and can see why it made you think of Kyron!

But that was a fairly sophisticated plot ...imo this case is more like a bad episode of "Without a Trace"...especially the sequence the show uses to start every episode where the missing person walks towards his/her destination and literally vanishes into thin air off the TV screen ...because this is effectively what the SM is asking us to believe.

She claims (according to her mother Carol Moulton talking to the media on June 5) that she was walking with him in the hall towards his classroom ...and when they were close to the classroom, he said mom I'm off to the classroom now ...(why he said this is beyond me as they were already walking toward the classroom for his 8.45 drop-off) ...he waved goodbye to his mom (why wave when he just left her) and then she watched him walk towards the classroom and then exited herself believing he had reached the nearby classroom.

Her story only makes sense if you believe the vanishing sequence in "Without A Trace" is fact rather than fiction.

The Priory School, that's it. Thank you. Was thinking someone could have promised to bring him to his BM. I am still giving SM the benefit of doubt.

 

[violet67]

Very good post.

is there a parking lot thread here that i am missing???? TIA

 

[CaringCitizen]

is there a parking lot thread here that i am missing???? TIA

I referred to THIS thread as a parking lot thread. I guess because the parking lot plays some roll in the 'how do you get your child out of school and into the vehicle without anyone noticing' question. Whether one parked in the lot or near it, the parking lot is in play as that's where most of the outside activity was going on, with people and cars and trucks coming and going.

 

[violet67]

I referred to THIS thread as a parking lot thread. I guess because the parking lot plays some roll in the 'how do you get your child out of school and into the vehicle without anyone noticing' question. Whether one parked in the lot or near it, the parking lot is in play as that's where most of the outside activity was going on, with people and cars and trucks coming and going.

lol in other cases we have had a "parking lot" based thread where we could be a little more *ahem* relaxed with our opinions....i thought i may have missed seeing one here...thanks CC

 

[CaringCitizen]

lol in other cases we have had a "parking lot" based thread where we could be a little more *ahem* "liberal" with our opinions....i thought i may have missed seeing one here...thanks CC

Thanks for the comic relief, Violet!!

 

[STEADFAST]

That would be the answer, for me, if that's a door, but part of my puzzling over this is that going way back I thought it was determined that that wasn't a door. Are you sure it is one, Steadfast?

Here's another reason I do think that's a door, BeanE. From Skyline's Handbook:

All parents, visitors and volunteers are required to checkin at the office prior to entering any other portion of the building. Identification tags are to be worn by all adults in the building during school hours. For security purposes, only the main entrance and East door will be unlocked during school hours. All other doors will be locked or monitored, as required by our district’s security policy. http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/sky...2008-Final.pdf

That portico is on the East side of the building and the only place on the East side where someone could check into the office without entering other "portions" of the building.
Like I said, park there just south of the portico, and Kyron could exit through that door and get into the truck without people in the parking lot seeing him and without people in the school front hallway seeing the truck. *Note that east is at the bottom of this view.

 

[debs]

There is a second door on the East side of the building. You can see it clearly at the cafegymatorium (LOVE THAT WORD!), with a set of steps going up to the door.

I do believe all the doors would have been open to help with the foot traffic issue. Maybe not that one at the gym, from the outside. But who's to say?

 

[DairyGirl]

I haven't read all the posts here so I'm sorry if this has already been covered but I am thinking one of two things. One, there really was an appointment that day and they just walked out normally and then after that something might have happened and she lost it and decided to depose of the body and while trying to think of what to do she realized that no one saw them leave and decided to stick with the story of leaving him at the school. The other is that she knew there was no one around and felt it was safe to just walk out with him. If someone had seen them there would be nothing to explain other then they had an appointment. In that situation her plans would have to be changed because of witnesses but because she knew there were none she felt secure in doing what she planned. An alternate theory would be going to the car herself and having him meet her there but I don't think that would have been a good idea. That would have probably been more noticable then seeing them together. Whatever happened, we know that no one saw him leave, either with her or someone else so people were not paying close attention to her that day.

 

[Chili Fries]

Thinking about the east door (what we think is a door) and the fact that his classroom was on the west side, at the other end of the school...this brings up the reports that TH last saw Kyron "walking toward his classroom, 150 feet away" (link).

Maybe the 150 feet detail is something that has gone by the wayside (like the 9:00 sighting also mentioned in the article) but if that is what TH said it may imply her leaving through the east door into the parking lot. Maybe her giving the 150 foot statement was just her remembering what happened but altering one important detail (the fact that Kyron was with her and not walking back to his class) to protect herself.

 

[CarmelEyesD]

It seems to me if Kyron told a friend he was going to see an exhibit that was electric, he would have also told the friend if he was leaving with his mom for an appointment, a tree frog or what have you, if that had been the scenario.

 

[txsvicki]

I put this on the thread that got deleted, so will post it again. A child could be taken out without notice in something like a large plastic tote that could appear to have been used in taking things in for the science (or other) projects. A child could have been disabled there at the school in an empty room or hallway where the crowd was not gathered. A person could have gotten there and parked on the side of the building further away from the area of the science fair exhibits. Many people might have already left in order to get to work and many probably tried to park nearest the science exhibit entrances.

 

[miabellamoure]

I put this on the thread that got deleted, so will post it again. A child could be taken out without notice in something like a large plastic tote that could appear to have been used in taking things in for the science (or other) projects. A child could have been disabled there at the school in an empty room or hallway where the crowd was not gathered. A person could have gotten there and parked on the side of the building further away from the area of the science fair exhibits. Many people might have already left in order to get to work and many probably tried to park nearest the science exhibit entrances.

Glad to know I'm not blind...:waitasec:so, it was deleted. I guess it's not important to try and figure out how & where Kyron's body was taken...cuz let's face it, anyone in LE is going to tell you there's slim to no chance we're bringing him home alive.

I am so disappointed with the job LE is doing in the "search" aspect of this case but, to think it's not even a worthwhile thread for thought & discussion here is sad.

Yes, it is a "creepy" thing to think about but, that's the reality of these kind of cases.:furious:

 

[Mylou]

I put this on the thread that got deleted, so will post it again. A child could be taken out without notice in something like a large plastic tote that could appear to have been used in taking things in for the science (or other) projects. A child could have been disabled there at the school in an empty room or hallway where the crowd was not gathered. A person could have gotten there and parked on the side of the building further away from the area of the science fair exhibits. Many people might have already left in order to get to work and many probably tried to park nearest the science exhibit entrances.

I have been thinking about this all night as well. Would it be without notice though. I guess depending on who was carrying the tote.

 

[mauirain]

It would not take much to get a child to meet you at the car. Tell them you are going to go see another exhibit, or he forgot something in the car. Tell the child you are going to bring the car around and when he sees you to come to the car. Park in an area where you are not likely to be see thru a window. This would also give you the advantage of scoping out the area to see if anyone noticed him coming to the car. If someone did notice, you could always send him back to class. No one would no the difference. If he got to the car without notice, just have him lay down if your windows are not tinted. Yes, that would be very risky, but crazy people do risky things all the time and believe they will get away with it. No one is suspecting anything weird on that day, why would they.........I drop my son off at school everyday. I could not tell you, let alone describe anyone i saw as i walk him in........I am just usually talking to my son, or zipping up his backpack, or he is stopping to look at spiders on the fence.....i could not tell you who was walking in or out of the school unless something really caught my attention. One thing I will say is this school (skyline) has a very weird looking layout. It is a long building that seems to only have exit/entrances on the ends..(correct me if i am wrong).....Very old and outdated looking.

Also, so far no one has come forward to say they saw SM leave at all. So why is it so hard to believe that no one saw her leave with a child.....That is what the fliers are for.....to see if ANYONE saw her that morning...with or without Kyron............

I tell u one thing, it would be far easier for a child to go with someone they knew and trusted than to have been abducted by a stranger without notice.......

JMO