IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #13

[Dr. Know?]

I hope the media has a head start on the Sunshine Law in Iowa as there's not much out there about where the girls could be via anyone, LE, family, media. although the rumors are running amuck. Records release would at least cross some suspicions off the list possibly. It's terribly frustrating. jmo

 

[MotherOcean]

Only one video has been released. The debate is over the actual time of the video. Date/time stamp says 12:11. Mr. P says slow by 8 minutes.

No, there are two videos that have been released. The datestamp on the second video was 12:11. That was the second video.

 

[SeeMamaRun]

No, there are two videos that have been released. The datestamp on the second video was 12:11. That was the second video.

what was the first video?

 

[Thinkzerz]

Found it! http://indianolarecordherald.desmoi...-missing-Iowa-girls-after-their-disappearance

I'm not convinced he was going to say "1 o'clock" but his wife definitely jumps in with the 3. Their accent isn't that strong but it's just enough different from California that I can't tell if that pause was about to be "1" or if it was more a pause like "uhhh." According to the article below his wife was out delivering newspapers so either she didn't see them or she saw them nearby, but the newspaper delivering might've helped her remember a time frame?

I don't know, MOO and ideas I'm throwing out there.

Here's the other photo and article: http://www.kwqc.com/story/19044405/witness-said-he-saw-missing-iowa-girls-after-their-disappearance

Where does this couple live? Would it be out of the girls way if going to the lake? Both of them seem very sure that Elizabeth rides by there house every night/evening. So much for the family saying she never went to far.

 

[Bootsctr]

Fireman who found the bikes at 3:58 probably compared notes on where the bikes were seen with TG. There is a very good picture of TG with what looks to be both law enforcement and firemen. Abben says in presser the bikes were at the gate when he arrived. All the MSM reports I have read say the bikes were found along the bike trail, so when the fireman found them were they along the road like TG saw them and had to swerve to miss them, or were they found parked at the fence along the bike trail? The fact of exactly where the bikes were found is being muddled on purpose by LE because only the perp would actually know where the bikes were when found. If someone tries to insert themself in the case/falsely confess getting the position of how the bikes were actually found wrong they know they have the wrong person. I think LE has allowed the release of Mr. C, Mr. P and Mr. TG's statements because they are using that information. It's the minute details that LE is not going to give us because it's the little things that will catch the perp.

 

[MotherOcean]

I've been looking for confirmation that TG reported seeing the bikes laying down and also more about the positions of the bikes. This is the best I can come up with as far as MSM:

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Police taped off the area of the nature trail where the bikes were found, which is right across the gate allowing access to the drainage outlet. A police officer will monitor the progress continually until the lake is drained.

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The bikes were found in the trail by the gate leading to a rock jetty and water outlet on the lake. The gate wasn’t locked at the time, Abben said.

There’s a chain link fence on both sides of the trail. The purse was on the lake-side of the fence, about 10 feet to the east of the bikes and about 2 feet from the fence, officials said.

The bikes and purse continue to be the best finds so far, Abben said. That’s why six off-duty Cedar Rapids police officers searched the tall grass and trees along the trail and Highway 20 again Monday.

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Ted Gamerdinger of Waterloo said he rides the trail often.

“I saw the bikes laying on the path and had to swerve to miss them,” Gamerdinger said.


http://globegazette.com/news/iowa/r...cle_7dbadcc0-cfd1-11e1-b097-001a4bcf887a.html

 

[sreshowtime]

again, the Carpenters live in a corner house to Gilbert- and it has not been stated whether they turned onto Lake or were riding on Gilbert...assuming the Carpenters have the correct girls

Also- LE took the bicycles in for forensic testing and we do not know those results, such as if there were any fingerprints found unrelated to family members, who may have touched them at some point in time...or the condition of said bikes- flat tire, broken chain, etc

 

[LittleMissContrary]

I just can't get these girls out of my head. I seem to be spinning in circles with different theories and just when I think I have one that fits, I find some reason why it might not work.

My thoughts right now:

I do believe the girls were at the lake voluntarily and not for the first time.

I do not believe TG saw the girls' bikes - imo it doesn't fit LE's timeline

I do not believe the abduction was random or in anyway related to the "white van abduction attempts" we've been seeing in Iowa (most of which are fake!)

I want to believe that the girls are alive but it's getting harder & harder

I guess I'm just holding out hope that LE/FBI knows more than they're telling us & this case will break soon.

Praying and praying for L & E to come home but I don't think I have the capacity to solve this mystery!

Please provide evidence to support the statement I highlighted above.

Yes, there are one or two instances of fake reports, but there have been many more that have been confirmed to be real attempts.

When we start discrediting all reports of abduction attempts based on a small number of false reports, then we are never going to get a clear picture of what is really going on.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

one word....DVR

Four words..........I gotta get one!!!! :anguish:

 

[CHERIE.T]

:floorlaugh:

Four words..........I gotta get one!!!! :anguish:

 

[MotherOcean]

what was the first video?

I will try to find a link to the first video, or atleast a MSM reference to there being two videos. I was right in the middle of something when I posted the above, sorry to sound so short. I'll try to find it now. There was A LOT of discussion about both of the videos when the second one came out. I'm not sure which thread but you could find it by searching the date of the release of the second video. Some thought the second video was actually the same video and thought the camera was the same. But, the footage was different and was not released at the same time. Media was reporting that there were two videos though some here thought there was one.

 

[Wishbone]

Please provide evidence to support the statement I highlighted above.

Yes, there are one or two instances of fake reports, but there have been many more that have been confirmed to be real attempts.

When we start discrediting all reports of abduction attempts based on a small number of false reports, then we are never going to get a clear picture of what is really going on.

I haven't been keeping a record on these abduction reports but do remember hearing of at least 2 and possibly 3 that have been refuted. It appears this is another area that needs verification, which is hard to do as information is sparce when it comes to reporting.

 

[Jules71]

If I'm reading this right, then you're saying the girls took Evans almost all the way to the lake, but decided to turn east on Gilbert and then south on Lake? Anyone know why they'd do that? All I can think of is that the perp lives on Lake Avenue.

Or the perp or someone they were avoiding actually lives on Evans.

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[callyn]

And yet the need for a booth at the fair makes me discouraged...does LE really not have a suspect? And if not, how could they have dared to proclaim they believed the girls were alive in the way that they did?

I agree. It was the way it was said, so definite, that gave me hope. :banghead:

 

[nikb]

I've been looking for confirmation that TG reported seeing the bikes laying down and also more about the positions of the bikes. This is the best I can come up with as far as MSM:

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I've been looking too! The closest I came is the JVM show transcript I've linked a few times where the bikes were said to be "laying neatly on the path." IMO that could easily be confused for "leaned against the fence" if they were leaning against each other. I read one of them had a kickstand, maybe one had the kickstand down and the girls leaned the other one up against it? To someone riding by quickly "laying neatly on the path" and "leaning against the fence" COULD mean the same thing, possibly.
Trying to find something to explain the possibility that maybe the bikes weren't moved after TG saw them.

 

[123ABC]

ROM828 re: one word DVR well I got one word too LOL PVR which is a personal video rewinder....giggle ---> though I guess that wuld be a good Idea to DVR it if I could watch 175 hours some other time catching up would be a little difficult :/ I do like basically most all of the sports!! I just keep rewinding and rewinding and rewinding,,, Im trying to not procrastinate ...

Re: Booth set up at fair back on topic sorry Im still going on what the FBI said they r not worried about passage of time that fact is hard to believe because they have facts we dont. Just because there not found they did say some people are not cooperating who I have no facts who but Im sure they have a few good ones! Im just not ready to believe stats :-0 setting up a booth means they are still looking and not for a fact deceased !! Thats all Hopein n Prayin

 

[Sere-nity]

I will try to find a link to the first video, or atleast a MSM reference to there being two videos. I was right in the middle of something when I posted the above, sorry to sound so short. I'll try to find it now. There was A LOT of discussion about both of the videos when the second one came out. I'm not sure which thread but you could find it by searching the date of the release of the second video. Some thought the second video was actually the same video and thought the camera was the same. But, the footage was different and was not released at the same time. Media was reporting that there were two videos though some here thought there was one.

Olli did a drive by and there is only ONE camera.

The camera angle was exactly the same. Only the zoom was different. The first was only zoomed into the section of the road where the two bicycles were fully seen. The "second" video released was the full shot.

An additional comment on the video... They only stated that those were the only two bicyclists to pass. They didn't say anything about the number of pedestrians or vehicles that passed, nor did they let us know if anyone was out in the break area (there is a chair) before or after the bikes passed

 

[Bootsctr]

FRom the Courier on the 26th:

About 4 p.m. the youngsters&#8217; bikes and Collins&#8217; purse were found on the south side of Meyers Lake. Ted Gamerdinger of Waterloo, a bicyclist who said he often rides the Evansdale Nature Trail, has previously told The Courier he saw the two kids&#8217; bikes on the trail at about 12:20 p.m., but no sign of the children. http://m.wcfcourier.com/news/evansd...mix_cbf9acfe-d698-11e1-850e-0019bb2963f4.html

That's very vague. Doesn't even mention the fireman finding the bikes.

Timeline of Events

12:15 p.m. July 13 - The girls are last seen by their grandmother, Wylma Cook, in downtown Evansdale behind Lederman's Big & Tall Clothing, 3524 Lafayette Road.

4 p.m. - The girls' bikes are located along the bike trail on the southeast corner of Meyers Lake by an Evansdale firefighter. Elizabeth's purse, which contained a cell phone, was found nearby.

July 14 and 15 - Hundreds of volunteers search Meyers Lake and the town of Evansdale for traces of the girls. About 700 people searched on Sunday alone, while businesses and others donated food and water. But no clues were found in their search.

July 16 - Authorities begin draining Meyers Lake and stopping residents in Evansdale. Meanwhile, residents post missing flyers around Evansdale and surrounding towns.

July 20 - Divers requested by the FBI search Meyers Lake and determine girls are not in the lake. Authorities reclassify case to an abduction.

July 21 - FBI says they strongly believe the girls are still alive.

From the Courier on the 22nd they do mention the fireman.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_507d9bca-d2b1-11e1-8f0b-0019bb2963f4.html

 

[dotr]

Random thoughts about this repost from July.
I wonder if the cup, if it was a cup taken for evidence - had any trace of a date-rape drug?
I guess there is room to walk along the shoreline...
Do they now have proof that the girls were actually at the lake?



http://heraldbulletin.com/breakingnews/x333947977/Abduction-fear-grows-for-missing-Iowa-cousins
" Officers paddled around the lake in kayaks Tuesday while others walked the shoreline hunting for clues. One officer picked up something that appeared to be a cup and placed it in an evidence bag, but officials did not identify the object to the media.

Breault said the reaction from the dogs indicated a "strong possibility" the girls had been at the lake but that because there were no confirmed sightings there, authorities couldn't be certain"

 

[SeeMamaRun]

Please provide evidence to support the statement I highlighted above.

Yes, there are one or two instances of fake reports, but there have been many more that have been confirmed to be real attempts.

When we start discrediting all reports of abduction attempts based on a small number of false reports, then we are never going to get a clear picture of what is really going on.

Sorry, I understand why a statement like that would be discouraged. I have heard of 4 "attempts" with a white van here in Iowa and 3 of them have been said to be misunderstandings or lies. I realize I may not be hearing all of the stories but I live in Cedar Rapids & the white van paranoia is driving me crazy.

Regardless of is they are real or fake, I still don't believe this is what happened to L & E because it just does not fit with the story of the 5 yo here in Cedar Rapids (white van stops on busy street to quickly snatch boy)

Here are the stories I know of:

5 year old boy in Cedar Rapids - 2 people jumped from white van and grabbed him. Boy's father chased them away. I haven't heard any follow up on this which makes me feel it was real but they haven't found the van.


"Last week, Marion police said a man driving a white van offered a 14-year-old boy candy at an intersection near Linn-Mar High School. The boy took off on his bicycle, and the interaction was later reported to police, but officials said it was not an abduction attempt."

http://thegazette.com/2012/08/02/cedar-rapids-police-fielding-several-white-van-tips/


"Two girls who reported an abduction attempt to Indianola police Monday fabricated the story, authorities said."

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2012/08/07/abduction-attempt-reported-in-indianola/


"And last week in Dubuque, police were called after a man in a white van approached a young girl. Police talked with the owner of the van, and decided not to file any criminal charges. "

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/...1/abduction-attempt-reported-in-cedar-rapids/

What stories am I missing?