IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #22

[Jacie Estes]

I am thinking bones, They are looking for any scattered ones carried away by animals.
Lizzy had braces that would make an easy ID.

I am now standing by my theory I had for months. The person who did this is an older teen or young adult. Possibly the first year of having a car.
Thought he was gonna meet TB's daughter and got these poor babies instead. (Not that I wish he would have gotten the other cousin )
He kept them in his own back yard, So to speak. Where he would know, when they are found. Or be able to revisit his crimes..

This is my thought, as well. A teen boy who they would want to talk to because it is 'cool' to a young girl but his intentions were bad.

 

[passionflower]

wow I just got a twitter and the person said they do NOT think it is a stranger that killed the girls...............Yikes, am I allowed to post it?
Just go to the twitter
https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=evansdalesearch

 

[miimaa]

I am going to go by what I think is the most reasonable conclusion until LE comes out and says something different.

I believe they tentatively IDd them by clothing found at the disposal site. They still have not been officially IDd. I cant remember the little girls name now but they did the same thing when they finally found her and her clothing was recognizable enough to do a tentative ID even though she was skeletonized. I think they showed the parents the clothing they found and they verified they did belong to Lyric and Elizabeth.

That tells me that they can only be postively IDd through DNA or dental records.

I still think their bodies have been there shortly after they were kidnapped. Most likely that same day once it got dark.

IMO

Mostly I agree with your post but I do not think they were kidnapped. IMO these girls were gone from grandma longer than she claimed. Being a rural child myself I know how kids left out on their own tend to explore. IMO these girls will have on their original clothing. I tend to doubt they were taken by anyone. I think they drowned and then were washed to the spot they were found.

 

[carbuff]

I would initially think the bodies washed up there... except for the fact that they were found north of the last sighting. Not knowing which way this stream flowed -- how do we know if they were placed there or washed up there?

I wasn't thinking that they were washed all the way from the lake to here, though that's a possibility. I was thinking more that either they were buried somewhere and washed away, or they were put into the river and drifted to here.

That might explain why they're a little distance apart -- two objects thrown into water don't usually wash up in exactly the same spot.

 

[Madeleine74]

I tend to doubt they were taken by anyone. I think they drowned and when were washed to the spot they were found.

Their bodies were found 22 miles from where their bikes were found. Does that sound like an accidental drowning? It doesn't to me. And, if they had accidentally died, their bodies would be skeletons only, likely scattered far and wide.

 

[Marilynilpa]

That is exactly the way I interpreted what LE said at the PC.

Imo, they had clothing that they knew belonged to the girls or shoes and they took those to the parents to make the ID.

They are still not identified official even now.

IMO

I agree with you. And I am confident that Ollipop knew what he was talking about when he said the girls were identified by their clothing.

I wonder if the ME's report will be made public. If so, that may answer some questions for us. At least, I hope so.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Mostly I agree with your post but I do not think they were kidnapped. IMO these girls were gone from grandma longer than she claimed. Being a rural child myself I know how kids left out on their own tend to explore. IMO these girls will have on their original clothing. I tend to doubt they were taken by anyone. I think they drowned and when were washed to the spot they were found.

It's always good to hear new ideas, but in this situation I think you might want to go back to some of the 21 earlier threads and read up on the details of Lyric and Lizzie's disappearance. This was no accidental drowning.

ETA: Although I have to admit, at first I thought the girls had drowned in Meyers Lake, and didn't budge from that idea until the lake was drained and searched.

 

[miimaa]

Exactly. Because if they could really be identified just by looking at them they would have gotten a pastor or close friend to come in and ID the children or even one of the children's parents. Sadly parents have had to ID their children's bodies before.

LE said there was no need to do that and imo the reason it wasnt necessary was because their clothing/shoes/headbands etc had remained in tact enough to be identifiable as belonging to them.

IMO

I think so too. That means IMO they were NOT held for months at some location. They had on original clothing. I wonder if they washed up from the river (stream)? Seems weird to me though as most don't run north... only a few odd do.

 

[Copper]

Mostly I agree with your post but I do not think they were kidnapped. IMO these girls were gone from grandma longer than she claimed. Being a rural child myself I know how kids left out on their own tend to explore. IMO these girls will have on their original clothing. I tend to doubt they were taken by anyone. I think they drowned and when were washed to the spot they were found.

This is impossible. The Wapsi river, along which the girls were found, and the Cedar River, which Meyers Lake is connected to via a drain, are only connected indirectly via the Mississippi and Iowa Rivers. Also, rivers and streams in Iowa flow from north to south. So it would again be impossible for the girls to have drown and then floated north to where they were found.

 

[Sere-nity]

There was a major flood in Duluth, Minn in June.

Because Duluth received 8+ inches of rain in a very short time span which overloaded the drainage system and caused flooding. The water in Duluth does not run down to IA.

I don't know what that has to do with this case.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Hoping you all don't mind but I am re posting my post as it got lost in last thread ....

I too am a little baffled by where their remains were found. Is this particular area only accessed during the hunting season? Hence why the remains were found now?

I'm just wondering why they have been discovered there now? Would they have been there the whole time? Sorry if that is inappropriate to ask... I will delete if so.

I'm just lost for words Seeing that photo of the two white sheets has me sitting here in tears, and sick to my stomach.

I haven't ever been to that particular area but from reading about it and looking at the photos of it, I've been to a lot of places in Iowa like it.

I know it doesn't look like much right now but last July it would have been lush with foliage. Just shades of green on green on green. Iowa sits on top of some of the most fertile ground on earth and in the summertime, we have the Iowa jungle. The undercover would have been anywhere from knee to waist deep along the edges of those woods, where the girls' bodies were found. Depending on how the air currents were moving, someone might have walked within 5 feet of either body and never had a clue there was a body there.

Such places are also tick heaven in the summer. Most people don't force their way through the underbrush, they stick to trails, open areas, game paths, etc.

I know I was expecting them to be found during deer season. Yesterday, 5 December, was the end of season one for shotgun and then Saturday 8 December is when season two for shotgun opens up. So all the people with tags for season one who hadn't already gotten a deer were out in force (I heard gunfire from all directions on my property yesterday). Saturday, a lot of the people who have tags for season two will be out, hoping to find a better pick of deer than they will later in their season.

It meant that out of the whole hunting season which spans three months all told, this week was the most likely time for bodies alongside the edges of wooded areas to be found.

Without any further evidence than I've seen right now, my guess is that the girls' bodies have been there since 13 July.

 

[LisaB]

Bodies are always being found by hunters, dog walkers or joggers.. who else is truckin through the woods besides them? JMO

I remember reading once that a statistically significant number of bodies/remains left near roads are discovered by motorists who pull off the road and walk a short distance away to urinate. When you think about it, that actually makes sense.

 

[miimaa]

Their bodies were found 22 miles from where their bikes were found. Does that sound like an accidental drowning? It doesn't to me. And, if they had accidentally died, their bodies would be skeletons only, likely scattered far and wide.

Depends on which way the water flowed. It was what - 5 months? If they drowned and their bodies pushed up on the riverbank then no - the remains would not be scattered.

It really does read that they somehow got into the water. What does not make sense to me is the location. They were north of the bikes. Most water flows south -- especially along the Mississippi River. I know there girls weren't in the Mississippi but very few waterways flow the opposite direction.

 

[passionflower]

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[miimaa]

Does the waterway they were found by have a connection to the lake where the bikes were found?

 

[callyn]

Mostly I agree with your post but I do not think they were kidnapped. IMO these girls were gone from grandma longer than she claimed. Being a rural child myself I know how kids left out on their own tend to explore. IMO these girls will have on their original clothing. I tend to doubt they were taken by anyone. I think they drowned and then were washed to the spot they were found.

Where they were found isn't even on the same river as the one that runs by Meyer's Lake. At least it sure doesn't look like it on the map.

 

[CoeTrawk]

I think they drowned and then were washed to the spot they were found.

The river doesn't flow that direction, nor does it go through Evansdale anyhow. Evansdale and Meyers Lake are on the Cedar

 

[miimaa]

Their bodies were found 22 miles from where their bikes were found. Does that sound like an accidental drowning? It doesn't to me. And, if they had accidentally died, their bodies would be skeletons only, likely scattered far and wide.

It has been 5 months.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Does the waterway they were found by have a connection to the lake where the bikes were found?

Absolutely not. Copper's earlier post describes it well, IMO.

 

[miimaa]

It's always good to hear new ideas, but in this situation I think you might want to go back to some of the 21 earlier threads and read up on the details of Lyric and Lizzie's disappearance. This was no accidental drowning.

ETA: Although I have to admit, at first I thought the girls had drowned in Meyers Lake, and didn't budge from that idea until the lake was drained and searched.

Thank you but I have read the threads and followed this story from day one.