IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #22

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Cedar Valley Crime Stoppers New Info regarding reward:

http://www.waterloopolice.com/index...lley-crime-stoppers&catid=53:press&Itemid=187

Cedar Valley Crime Stoppers
Thursday, 06 December 2012 10:56
The Cedar Valley Crime Stoppers, with the blessings of Elizabeth and Lyric's families, would like to announce the continuation of the reward drive. 100% of all donations collected between November 19th and December 19th will go towards a reward for information leading to an arrest. This reward is seperate from the previous announced reward and a person can be eligible for both. If the money ultimately can not be used for a reward it is the familes wishes that it go towards helping other victims and their familes. Donations can be left at the Evansdale Police Department, Cedar Falls Police Department, Waterloo Police Department and the Black Hawk County Sheriff's Office. Donations can also be mailed to Crime Stoppers- Elizabeth and Lyric, PO Box 1510, Waterloo, IA 50704. A total will be announced December 21st but people are encouraged to call immediately. The drive will continue until the 21st and anyone calling early will still collect the total amount. All contributions are tax deductible.
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My own theory has always been that the girls were abducted, driven to the spot (lured?
knew the perp or perps) immediately hurt or killed and just left there.
A heartless druggie perhaps, revenge to father.
Amature at murder......mistakes hopefully.
IMO, I think one girl might of tried to run leaving them further away from each other.
IMOO
 
oceanblueeyes said:
I think right now they know these children were murdered but of course they are going to wait on the ME to label it one.

That is why they have spent so much time at the disposal scene gathering evidence imo.

IMO
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Unless COD was murder suicide what is the likelihood of two victims which knew each other, were both seen playing together hours before they went missing, both ending up found dead at the same spot 20 miles away in a wooded area when neither had a mode of transportation?



Of course it's a homicide.

JMO
 
"This 100 percent blindsided us and it absolutely did them as well," said Sara Curl, a friend of the girls' families and organizer of several community events to support them.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-iowa-girls-friends-families-reel-over-bodies

EVANSDALE, Iowa -- On the same day law enforcement officials voiced confidence that they had found the bodies of missing Iowa cousins Lyric Cook-Morrissey and Elizabeth Collins, one of the girls' younger sisters got her ears pierced.

"She wanted her ears pierced just like Elizabeth's," said Sarah Staebell, a close friend of Elizabeth's parents, Drew and Heather Collins.

Like the girls' family members, community residents searched for ways to honor the pair's memory. More pink ribbons blossomed around town -- pink was the girls' favorite color -- and residents and visitors hung commemorative ornaments on Christmas trees in the girls' honor.

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1750349
 
Since I heard yesterday that they were found, I haven't really thought they were killed out there. I think it's possible that they were driven out there and attacked/killed in a vehicle and then dumped, but I don't think they were killed right where they were found. I'm betting that they were taken, driven around or taken to a private home where they were killed (won't speculate on what happened in between) within the first few hours and then they were dumped.

The official statement that there is no need for the familiies to view the bodies, really makes me feel that regardless of what NG's talking head had to say, the bodies were not recognizable, and they have probably been there since just shortly after the abduction. It's a lot more common for a perp to take a child, accomplish whatever purpose they took them for, and then kill them, usually within the first couple hours. I just hope they are able to find the primary crime scene after this length of time, whether that's a vehicle, home, or somewhere else.
 
I agree nmk. I believe we have a least 3 and possibly 4 crime scenes.

The abducion site

The lake (if the bikes were staged there as some speculate and it is not the abduction site)

The murder site

The body site

Even if there are only 2 sites, the abduction site and body site, to me it indicates very strongly this is a local that is responsible. If there are 3 to 4, as I suspect, it further bolsters that idea of a local, hiding in plain site.
 
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I'm sickened by the horrible loss of these 2 beautiful young girls. I can only hope & pray justice is quick though it may be of little comfort.

Haven't had time to catch up on my reading this morning so apologies if this was already posted. This link was on my Facebook page today.

http://m.kwqc.com/default.aspx?pid=...piciously-around-children?clienttype=rssstory

The towns mentioned in this article are very small towns. We used to think of Iowa as such a safe place. Iowa is just like every place else. Terrible things can happen here too. We must find new & better ways to protect our children.

JMO
 
Joe Friday said:
Unless COD was murder suicide what is the likelihood of two victims which knew each other, were both seen playing together hours before they went missing, both ending up found dead at the same spot 20 miles away in a wooded area when neither had a mode of transportation?



Of course it's a homicide.

JMO
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Isn't a murder-suicide (although unlikley) still a homicide?
 
tlcox said:
I agree nmk. I believe we have a least 3 and possibly 4 crime scenes.

The abducion site

The lake (if the bikes were staged there as some speculate and it is not the abduction site)

The murder site

The body site

Even if there are only 2 sites, the abduction site and body site, to me it indicates very strongly this is a local that is responsible. If there are 3 to 4, as I suspect, it further bolsters that idea of a local, hiding in plain site.
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Also, the vehicle used to transport them between counties (unlawful imprisonment or something? I don't feel well and can't come up with the right word.)
 
Police seek to 'find a killer' of 2 Iowa cousins

By RYAN J. FOLEY and DAVID PITT, AP
25 minutes ago

EVANSDALE, Iowa — A sheriff investigating the apparent kidnapping and slaying of two Iowa cousins said Friday that the discovery of the young girls' bodies is a long-awaited break in the case that could help find their killer.

Black Hawk County Sheriff Tony Thompson said investigators would be deliberate in pursuing the case of Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins, who were 10 and 8 when they disappeared in Evansdale in July. Hunters stumbled upon two bodies believed to be Cook and Collins in a wooded wildlife area some 25 miles away on Wednesday.

Thompson said it could take "several weeks" for their autopsies to be complete and the results to be made public.

"We're going to be extremely meticulous and we're not going to apologize for that," he said a phone interview with The Associated Press. "We've got an opportunity to find a killer"...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20121205/US.Missing.Cousins.Iowa/
 
LisaB said:
Also, the vehicle used to transport them between counties (unlawful imprisonment or something? I don't feel well and can't come up with the right word.)
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Are you thinking of "false" imprisonment?
 
BetteDavisEyes said:
Police seek to 'find a killer' of 2 Iowa cousins

By RYAN J. FOLEY and DAVID PITT, AP
25 minutes ago

EVANSDALE, Iowa — A sheriff investigating the apparent kidnapping and slaying of two Iowa cousins said Friday that the discovery of the young girls' bodies is a long-awaited break in the case that could help find their killer.

Black Hawk County Sheriff Tony Thompson said investigators would be deliberate in pursuing the case of Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins, who were 10 and 8 when they disappeared in Evansdale in July. Hunters stumbled upon two bodies believed to be Cook and Collins in a wooded wildlife area some 25 miles away on Wednesday.

Thompson said it could take "several weeks" for their autopsies to be complete and the results to be made public.

"We're going to be extremely meticulous and we're not going to apologize for that," he said a phone interview with The Associated Press. "We've got an opportunity to find a killer"...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20121205/US.Missing.Cousins.Iowa/
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BBM

Sounds to me they need to wait for DNA testing to ID the bodies. JMO
 
Mandy113 said:
I'm sickened by the horrible loss of these 2 beautiful young girls. I can only hope & pray justice is quick though it may be of little comfort.

Haven't had time to catch up on my reading this morning so apologies if this was already posted. This link was on my Facebook page today.

http://m.kwqc.com/default.aspx?pid=...piciously-around-children?clienttype=rssstory

The towns mentioned in this article are very small towns. We used to think of Iowa as such a safe place. Iowa is just like every place else. Terrible things can happen here too. We must find new & better ways to protect our children.

JMO
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Mandy113, I agree, small rural towns or large urban cities, there is no safe refuge for our children anymore, it seems. Whether on a summer bike ride, playing with friends, a routine walk to school, or in the perceived safety of their bedroom, as in the case of missing Arizona 6-year-old Isabel Celis. Sadly, there are no safe harbors.
I pray that we can find some answers in preventing these senseless tragic child abductions/murders in our lifetimes.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/48251045#48251045
'A Shot in the Dark'. Dateline Aired December 04, 2012 ... as a teachable moment for a lot of children and adults

Information vital to the safety of our children:

http://www.livesecure.org/how-to-protect-kids-from-predators-and-kidnappers/

Saftey Tips Every Parent Should Know
By Dr. Clint Van Zandt - Retired FBI BAU Profiler - was the victim of an abduction as a 7 year old child...
 
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