IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #22

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MSM article from about a week after the girls went missing. Interesting, since this is inconsistent with child abduction statistics;

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...missing-iowa-girls-still-alive_n_1691989.html

Authorities searching for two missing Iowa cousins have information that leads them to believe both girls are still alive, an FBI spokeswoman said Saturday.

FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said authorities "feel strongly" that 10-year-old Lyric Cook-Morrissey and 8-year-old Elizabeth Collins have not been killed. She refused to say what led authorities to that conclusion, but urged anyone with information about their disappearance to contact law enforcement.

"We believe these girls are alive, and we are not discouraged by the passage of time since their disappearance," Breault said.
 
Just Pat 22 said:
What I do when my Computer gives me trouble follow a list Restore , Unplug . reinstal program Donno hope it helps . Remember the folks way back at Meyers leke they said their boat was stolen and the brought back > The WasipiOpinicon hope I spelled it right . Just throwing rice in the air Is there the slighest chance that a skilled canoo river man could coured the river from, Evansdale to 7 Bridges ? Two sisters two I child each left by Legeand River strange . It will get figured out and the will get the perps that took these two beautiful souls to look after and warn children now and keep a closer watch on them. RIP LIZZIE & LYRIC
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Thanks for the computer tip ... regarding the location of the girls bodies, I read the transcripts last night after reading here that JVM covered the story.

"The second key point is the theory right now is that this was the dump site. That they are looking for the primary murder scene. In other words, where the bodies were found is not where these two little girls were killed."

"A couple of things that we know. I`m told by police sources that they were able to make an eyeball identification, meaning looking at the bodies and knowing in their heads that it was these two girls, very, very quickly. I`m told is that it didn`t appear that the bodies had been out exposed to the elements for the four or five months since they went missing. That`s No. 1.

I`m also told that there was some articles of clothing belonging to these two girls found at that scene, as well. "

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/06/ijvm.01.html
 
I can't help but have a feeling of dread that they were kept alive, possible for an extended period. Basing this on LE saying after they went missing that they didn't think they were dead (in a way that led me to believe they had evidence of that somehow.) Also LE's reference to "bodies" and how quickly they have been tentatively ID'd. God, I hope I'm wrong and whatever these girls went through was quickly over.
 
Foxfire said:
MSM article from about a week after the girls went missing. Interesting, since this is inconsistent with child abduction statistics;

Bumped from : 07/21/2012 6:23 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...missing-iowa-girls-still-alive_n_1691989.html

Authorities searching for two missing Iowa cousins have information that leads them to believe both girls are still alive, an FBI spokeswoman said Saturday.

FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said authorities "feel strongly" that 10-year-old Lyric Cook-Morrissey and 8-year-old Elizabeth Collins have not been killed. She refused to say what led authorities to that conclusion, but urged anyone with information about their disappearance to contact law enforcement.

"We believe these girls are alive, and we are not discouraged by the passage of time since their disappearance," Breault said.
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This statmen mystified me then and still does today.

I wonder if we will ever know what lead them to believe that. I guess if it turns out the TOD of the girl does not add up to the time since abduction then they will have been right.

If the girls were killed right after their abduction we may never now what made the FBI suspect otherwise.
 
I think we will know.

There will be a solution to this case.

:please:
 
Foxfire said:
MSM article from about a week after the girls went missing. Interesting, since this is inconsistent with child abduction statistics;

Bumped from : 07/21/2012 6:23 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...missing-iowa-girls-still-alive_n_1691989.html

Authorities searching for two missing Iowa cousins have information that leads them to believe both girls are still alive, an FBI spokeswoman said Saturday.

FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said authorities "feel strongly" that 10-year-old Lyric Cook-Morrissey and 8-year-old Elizabeth Collins have not been killed. She refused to say what led authorities to that conclusion, but urged anyone with information about their disappearance to contact law enforcement.

"We believe these girls are alive, and we are not discouraged by the passage of time since their disappearance," Breault said.
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I believe at first, LE and the FBI did believe the girls were alive. After some time, though, I believe they stuck to that theory simply because no bodies were found, as opposed to having evidence that the girls were alive. JMO
 
pdxmama said:
I can't help but have a feeling of dread that they were kept alive, possible for an extended period. Basing this on LE saying after they went missing that they didn't think they were dead (in a way that led me to believe they had evidence of that somehow.) Also LE's reference to "bodies" and how quickly they have been tentatively ID'd. God, I hope I'm wrong and whatever these girls went through was quickly over.
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I agree. I don't believe that LE would say "bodies" instead of "remains" to be sensitive to the family. In the Jessica Ridgeway case, the entire country knew that she was "not intact" and I don't remember anyone criticizing LE for being disrespectful for letting that information be released.

If the girls were kept alive until recently, what caused them to be killed?
 
The thing we all have to remember is that the profilers will get information from finding the bodies/remains. Where they were dumped, how they were positioned, everything tells part of the story about who did this. And no matter how smart this perp/perps thought they were, they can never outsmart their profile.
 
Not sure what I think about the investigative reporter's comments via unnamed police sources. I tend to be mistrustful of "sources inside the investigation" and of the reporting on HLN in general so the two combined create a credibility issue for me.

I am trying to keep an open mind to the possibiliy that the reporter's comments are true and that the girls were either alive fo a period of time after their abduction or the bodies frozen and dumped very recently.

But in my heart of hearts I have always believed they were dead since shortly after they were taken, days at most. More likely hours.
 
Could it possibly be a combination of both? One was killed shortly after the abduction, because they weren't the one that the perp wanted. They dumped that body, went back and kept the other girl alive for as long as they could, then dumped her body, not in the exact same spot, but in the same general area?

Highly unlikely. I know that, but just a thought.
 
Marilynilpa said:
I believe at first, LE and the FBI did believe the girls were alive. After some time, though, I believe they stuck to that theory simply because no bodies were found, as opposed to having evidence that the girls were alive. JMO
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Normally, FBI/LE investigators will release a statement such as; 'We don't have any information or evidence indicating that the missing person is not alive'...
The statement released by FBI spokesperson Breault on 07/21/2012 is in contrast to the norm, imo...


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1691989.html

Authorities searching for two missing Iowa cousins have information that leads them to believe both girls are still alive, an FBI spokeswoman said Saturday.

FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said authorities "feel strongly" that 10-year-old Lyric Cook-Morrissey and 8-year-old Elizabeth Collins have not been killed.

"Without Public Safety for our families & loved ones, we have nothing"...
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...856717871988.469085.32507971987&type=1&ref=nf
 
I heard it can take three weeks for the bodies to be clearly identified? Maybe because of all the forensic work to try to identify the killer.
 
Man, that would be a very bold or very stupid perp. But with what little we have to go on whose to it couldn't have happened that way.
 
JMO i think they drove, i'd lay bets they knew the area. Most people would follow the road around, so even thou theres a turn around there, most peoples would just go to the close open water or walk along the riverside, thou i did see a trail (google earth)walk thru into the bush. If i was to dispose of bodies i definatly would'nt put them together jmo
 
not_my_kids said:
Abben said investigators were leaning toward reclassifying the case as a homicide investigation, but would wait for information from the autopsies before proceeding. He declined to say whether the bodies were concealed, or how long investigators thought they had been there. Relatives have not gone to see the bodies and "there's no reason for them to do so," Abben said.

Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/nation...onfident-bodies-are-two-cousins#ixzz2ENKS8n1U
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I don't know what the classification of the case is now (missing maybe?) but I can't see any reason for a delay in changing it to homicide.
What other classification could they possibly charge this case - accident, snakebite, killed by animals, murder-suicide or what?

If they are waiting on the ME for an official cause of death, the cause may not be able to be determined. It could end up being a homicide by undetermined means like it was in FL for Caylee. What good did that do for her?

Maybe I just don't understand the logic.
 
Another thing to consider when talking about this type of area (where the bodies were found):

We have a family cabin on the Wapsi that also has land around it, and it is NOT uncommon to smell "rotting" smells (sorry for the graphic nature) when you're out and about.

**As a side note, the Wapsi was exceptionally low and where our cabin in is typically fairly deep (tons of watercraft come through) and there was next to no water travel except further down river. It was literally walkable and less than knee deep in most areas.**

The underbrush is so thick that we can be walking along a mowed trail and are hit with a stench that you KNOW is something rotting. Could be just about anything that would be in wildlife (deer, coon, rabbit, cat, fish, etc)...and I certainly wouldn' go off the path to see what it is...KWIM? It's just part of the "outdoors" per se and you wouldn't be alarmed if you came across a disgusting smell...it's not unusual to be honest.

In this area, even IF there were people who happened to be down there, it wouldn't surprise me at all if people wouldn't walk back into what I can safely assume would be THICK with poison ivy and thorns to see where the smell was coming from.
 
Anyone else find it a coincidence or maybe more that the reward for information rose to $150K a few days before they were found? Maybe it's nothing but it had me wondering today.
 
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