IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #29

[BunnyHop]

Good observation Otto. He looks pretty dry for riding in that hot weather too. Thanks for the photo. I have never seen this one.

Pretty dry?
1. He's wearing a sweat band
2. Can you see his back?
3. I ride a bike, and even on the warmest days, the breeze from riding tends to cool you off. :twocents:
4. Looks like nylon shorts that stay dry

 

[BunnyHop]

I was just looking at case photos from July 2012 and came across this one. Thinking back to when I checked the temps for July, it was normal for the temperature to range between 80 and nearly 100 degrees. Ted reported that he cycled daily on the Evansdale Nature Trail ... and cycling in the warm weather, he should have been tanned. He looks exceptionally pale for someone that regularly cycled in the warm weather.

Are the 2 officers sweating in the heat? Are there photos from the initial searches showing people sweating in the heat? Dripping with sweat?
I appreciate your opinion, but it seems unrealistic IMHO. :moo:

 

[katydid23]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Best autocorrect on the boards I've seen to date...

Cinder, you crack me up!

Thank Goodness that was an autocorrect. I was sitting here for the longest time trying to decipher that post. :waitasec:

I thought for a second that it might be referring to our most recent discussion in the Dylan Redwine board...:wink:

 

[BunnyHop]

"Law enforcement has not received total cooperation from all family and close friends. We feel there's someone out there that has pertinent information about the girls' whereabouts," FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-family-missing-iowa-girls-cooperating/story?id=16831729


Dated Missing Iowa girls' abductor likely on video, investigator says
4:13 PM, Sep 6, 2012
Officials open e-mail account to solicit tips about missing Evansdale girls
Authorities leading the search for two missing Iowa cousins believe those involved in the abduction used a vehicle that likely was recorded on surveillance camera...However, officials say they need more information from the public about what to look for in the hours of surveillance footage they have collected.
“It is almost certain that the person or persons involved in this abduction used a vehicle to arrive and depart from the area, and it is believed that surveillance video is likely to have recorded that vehicle,” Charis Paulson, assistant director of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation wrote in an email to law enforcement officials and state employees.
“Regardless of whether the person(s) responsible for taking Elizabeth and Lyric reside, work, or have acquaintances in the area, or possibly came to the area to commit a crime, it is virtually impossible for any person to live, travel, or exist in a vacuum,” Paulson wrote. “Someone knows something that might be valuable to law enforcement.”[/COLOR][/I]http://www.desmoinesreg...sey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage&nclick_check=1

Abben said because of a lack of evidence, they can't even come up with a profile of the killer.
“For no one to not see anything, it's very frustrating,” said Abben
http://www.kcci.com/news/central-io...17814122/-/12p6p9g/-/index.html#ixzz2MtTqMWTd



Thanks for the semantics lesson, but why should it? Blind faith is the opiate of the masses, not of people with a brain and the ability to use it.



You could say "trusting", I could say "apathetic" and "disinterested". It's called a "different opinion" and it's just fine to have them.



I don't recall telling anyone any such thing.

I do recall wondering about the Evansdale locals and their reasons for virtually ignoring this crime.

You call it "trust", well if there was a high level of trust in that town this wouldn't have happened in the first place.

The circumstances of the crime scream "local knowledge"...this means a double child murderer is wandering around town, scott free, and I seem to care more than Iowans do. :dunno:



Maybe I just have an opinion which you don't share. No need to be demeaning or make excuses for me...I'm as entitled to them as you are to yours.

Dragging someone's personal history into the forum is irrelevant, insulting, and not helpful in the slightest.



Likewise I can't be FORCED into thinking all is well in Evansdale and the lack of alarm by the locals is normal or acceptable.

I want to know whether that town is so full of methheads that they've all shut up in fear of losing their supply. I wonder if the locals are too scared of certain individuals to tell what they know or suspect. In my worst moments I wonder if LE is aiding and abetting said methheads (it happens).

You don't need to take personal responsibility to "correct" my thinking. I don't need to follow the herd.

:websleuther:

BBM, me neither SS. I prefer to form my own conclusions based on all the info. :twocents:

 

[cindersoot]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Best autocorrect on the boards I've seen to date...

Cinder, you crack me up!

Sorry :blushing: I meant popped.

 

[cindersoot]

Are the 2 officers sweating in the heat? Are there photos from the initial searches showing people sweating in the heat? Dripping with sweat?
I appreciate your opinion, but it seems unrealistic IMHO. :moo:

And I respect your opinion. I cannot tell if the officers are dripping in sweat, and the officers are not riding a bike.

 

[BunnyHop]

Back off the witness NOW. He is not a suspect or POI unless someone can link us to MSM/LE statements saying otherwise.

Salem

Bump. :seeya:

 

[BunnyHop]

And I respect your opinion. I cannot tell if the officers are dripping in sweat, and the officers are not riding a bike.

BBM, exactly my point. You can't tell. But somehow opinions regarding sweat and skin color/tan/sunburn are valid?
I can't tell from that picture who's sweating and who's not. As I said, I ride a bike-sometimes on very hot days and the breeze cools you off. Some of us don't "sweat" and soak our t-shirts. I've had my say about this and will disregard the "theory". Thanks. :twocents::moo::twocents:

 

[BunnyHop]

Back off the witness NOW. He is not a suspect or POI unless someone can link us to MSM/LE statements saying otherwise.

Salem

:seeya:

 

[nursebeeme]

Back off the witness NOW. He is not a suspect or POI unless someone can link us to MSM/LE statements saying otherwise.

Salem

:bump:
:tos:

 

[alliemay]

Respectfully, I disagree. I think the town of Evansdale is passionate about solving this crime. BHCSO also covers WaterLoo. I don't think Waterloo is as passionate as Evansdale. Waterloo is the 6th largest city in Iowa. Evansdale population is around 4,500. I also think the eight attendees did not want their faces show on TV either and who can blame them? I think the killer has turned them amongst themselves. If someone says something they believe they will automatically be suspect. Its hard to keep up with the non-registered SO and RSOs. They can move a couple of streets over from Evansdale and have a Waterloo address and vice versa.

Here's an example, we looked at this guy earlier. His last picture when I looked at him was taken in 2007. I just looked at him again and his picture has been updated to February 2013. He's now in prison!!

What's wrong with this picture? A RSO can go for 6 years w/o having his picture taken?! I thought it was supposed to be yearly. I thought Iowa had Jessica's law.

http://www.iowasexoffender.com/regi...toeckmann&firstname=m&type=simple#Convictions

Yes I've been focusing on one that has not been updated since 2010. Find that strange.

 

[otto]

"Law enforcement has not received total cooperation from all family and close friends. We feel there's someone out there that has pertinent information about the girls' whereabouts," FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-family-missing-iowa-girls-cooperating/story?id=16831729

Dated Missing Iowa girls' abductor likely on video, investigator says
4:13 PM, Sep 6, 2012
Officials open e-mail account to solicit tips about missing Evansdale girls
Authorities leading the search for two missing Iowa cousins believe those involved in the abduction used a vehicle that likely was recorded on surveillance camera...However, officials say they need more information from the public about what to look for in the hours of surveillance footage they have collected.
“It is almost certain that the person or persons involved in this abduction used a vehicle to arrive and depart from the area, and it is believed that surveillance video is likely to have recorded that vehicle,” Charis Paulson, assistant director of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation wrote in an email to law enforcement officials and state employees.
“Regardless of whether the person(s) responsible for taking Elizabeth and Lyric reside, work, or have acquaintances in the area, or possibly came to the area to commit a crime, it is virtually impossible for any person to live, travel, or exist in a vacuum,” Paulson wrote. “Someone knows something that might be valuable to law enforcement.”[/COLOR][/I]http://www.desmoinesreg...sey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage&nclick_check=1

Abben said because of a lack of evidence, they can't even come up with a profile of the killer.
“For no one to not see anything, it's very frustrating,” said Abben
http://www.kcci.com/news/central-io...17814122/-/12p6p9g/-/index.html#ixzz2MtTqMWTd

Thanks for the semantics lesson, but why should it? Blind faith is the opiate of the masses, not of people with a brain and the ability to use it.

You could say "trusting", I could say "apathetic" and "disinterested". It's called a "different opinion" and it's just fine to have them.

I don't recall telling anyone any such thing.

I do recall wondering about the Evansdale locals and their reasons for virtually ignoring this crime.

You call it "trust", well if there was a high level of trust in that town this wouldn't have happened in the first place.

The circumstances of the crime scream "local knowledge"...this means a double child murderer is wandering around town, scott free, and I seem to care more than Iowans do. :dunno:

Maybe I just have an opinion which you don't share. No need to be demeaning or make excuses for me...I'm as entitled to them as you are to yours.

Dragging someone's personal history into the forum is irrelevant, insulting, and not helpful in the slightest.

Likewise I can't be FORCED into thinking all is well in Evansdale and the lack of alarm by the locals is normal or acceptable.

I want to know whether that town is so full of methheads that they've all shut up in fear of losing their supply. I wonder if the locals are too scared of certain individuals to tell what they know or suspect. In my worst moments I wonder if LE is aiding and abetting said methheads (it happens).

You don't need to take personal responsibility to "correct" my thinking. I don't need to follow the herd.

The families are not considered to be suspects, so the article from July 22 is no longer relevant.

Asking for information from the community regarding suspicious activity on, or shortly after, the day of the abduction is quite different than asking for community involvement in police investigations.

We know that there was a lack of evidence after the abduction, but we don't know that there is still a lack of evidence now that a second crime scene has been discovered and the bodies have been recovered.

The Evansdale community has not ignored this crime. For example, more than 1000 volunteers searched 12 square miles. The community is very involved in trying to make Meyers Lake park a safer place.

How is it possible to equate "trust" with "crimes don't occur"?

There are drug users in Evansdale, just like there are drug users in every town in Australia, Germany and Mexico. That does not mean that police are involved in criminal activities.

 

[BunnyHop]

Are there any verified locals on this thread?
Just wondering.................

 

[Marilynilpa]

"Law enforcement has not received total cooperation from all family and close friends. We feel there's someone out there that has pertinent information about the girls' whereabouts," FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-family-missing-iowa-girls-cooperating/story?id=16831729


Dated Missing Iowa girls' abductor likely on video, investigator says
4:13 PM, Sep 6, 2012
Officials open e-mail account to solicit tips about missing Evansdale girls
Authorities leading the search for two missing Iowa cousins believe those involved in the abduction used a vehicle that likely was recorded on surveillance camera...However, officials say they need more information from the public about what to look for in the hours of surveillance footage they have collected.
“It is almost certain that the person or persons involved in this abduction used a vehicle to arrive and depart from the area, and it is believed that surveillance video is likely to have recorded that vehicle,” Charis Paulson, assistant director of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation wrote in an email to law enforcement officials and state employees.
“Regardless of whether the person(s) responsible for taking Elizabeth and Lyric reside, work, or have acquaintances in the area, or possibly came to the area to commit a crime, it is virtually impossible for any person to live, travel, or exist in a vacuum,” Paulson wrote. “Someone knows something that might be valuable to law enforcement.”[/COLOR][/I]http://www.desmoinesreg...sey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage&nclick_check=1

Abben said because of a lack of evidence, they can't even come up with a profile of the killer.
“For no one to not see anything, it's very frustrating,” said Abben
http://www.kcci.com/news/central-io...17814122/-/12p6p9g/-/index.html#ixzz2MtTqMWTd



Thanks for the semantics lesson, but why should it? Blind faith is the opiate of the masses, not of people with a brain and the ability to use it.



You could say "trusting", I could say "apathetic" and "disinterested". It's called a "different opinion" and it's just fine to have them.



I don't recall telling anyone any such thing.

I do recall wondering about the Evansdale locals and their reasons for virtually ignoring this crime.

You call it "trust", well if there was a high level of trust in that town this wouldn't have happened in the first place.

The circumstances of the crime scream "local knowledge"...this means a double child murderer is wandering around town, scott free, and I seem to care more than Iowans do. :dunno:



Maybe I just have an opinion which you don't share. No need to be demeaning or make excuses for me...I'm as entitled to them as you are to yours.

Dragging someone's personal history into the forum is irrelevant, insulting, and not helpful in the slightest.



Likewise I can't be FORCED into thinking all is well in Evansdale and the lack of alarm by the locals is normal or acceptable.

I want to know whether that town is so full of methheads that they've all shut up in fear of losing their supply. I wonder if the locals are too scared of certain individuals to tell what they know or suspect. In my worst moments I wonder if LE is aiding and abetting said methheads (it happens).

You don't need to take personal responsibility to "correct" my thinking. I don't need to follow the herd.

SS, I am not taking personal responsibility for your thinking, nor should you or anyone else take responsibility for how Evansdale citizens should be thinking re: LE and their handling of this case. JMO.

As for your other comments, I refuse to get dragged into a posting war with you over this. It does nothing to answer questions about what happened to Lyric and Lizzie, IMO.

 

[otto]

I'm hoping one of the mods will jump in here and explain when or at what point our sleuthing can be opened up to discuss more possibilities. Obviously no one has been named a suspect in this case, but in a lot of cases I've followed we were allowed to discuss different scenarios even when no suspect had been named.

It has been a bit confusing. Wylma is very definitely a witness, but she is not protected under the "witness" umbrella. The cyclist is not a witness, but he is often put in the the "witness" umbrella. There are many cases where someone injects themselves into an investigation because he/she is involved in the criminal activity. We know that the cyclist has nothing to do with this investigation other than telling a story to the media and we know that police have said that whatever he said to the media is unrelated to this case ... so he is not a witness. I think the part that is confusing is that until we were able to sort out the timeline, and prior to the September police statements placing the children on Brovan at 12:23 and on Gilbert at 12:30, we half believed the cyclist's story ... even though police had excluded it from the investigation.

Since the timeline has been clarified by police statements, we now know that the cyclist could not be a witness.

 

[nursebeeme]

folks: the bicycle riding witness is off limits other than what is in the main stream media. If you have a question please pm a moderator. Also: please address the post and not the poster. The snark is getting out of hand.

 

[iamnotagolem]

folks: the bicycle riding witness is off limits other than what is in the main stream media. If you have a question please pm a moderator. Also: please address the post and not the poster. The snark is getting out of hand.

Thank you for clarifying once again. I'll just be patient and hope that soon LE will give us more details that will enable us to do more sleuthing.

 

[cindersoot]

THANK'S ALL OF YOU FOR THE WONDERFUL BIRTHDAY WISHE'S I had a great and Quite day . Thank's again and God Bless You all Pat

Pat, you must be Irish, the name and birth date give it away. :rocker:

 

[cindersoot]

OT: another human remains story
http://www.wdam.com/story/21664744/human-remains-found-in-warren-county
not sure where to post this

Is this Warren county Iowa?

 

[iamnotagolem]

I know we've looked at some missing persons from the 70s but does anyone have a list of all missing persons from the area? I thought I'd ask before I go off to start a list. I'm wondering about any missing persons or unsolved rape/homicides of females aged 8-20 from 1970-present.

I'm wondering if the perp could be someone who started out as a youth doing some crimes and just recently resumed it? Possibly recently out of work or some other change in his life that allowed him the freedom to commit this crime that he hasn't had for a while?

I guess it's hard to believe that a first time offender would pick 2 girls vs 1 if this was a random sexual crime and not target specific.