IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #3

[nursebeeme]

I echo you Sailor moon: WHERE ARE YOU GIRLS?

I am so worried for them.. They, I am sure, have not wanted to spend one night without a bed, or food, or water, or their families.

 

[gngr~snap]

I find this wording extremely interesting:

Me too!
Guess I'm touchy but IMO it should read the last known family member to see them.... or something like that...

If they were abducted clearly the last person to see them was the abductor.

"Despite interviews with neighbors near the lake who reported seeing the girls Friday, Abben said the last person to have seen the girls was the grandmother, which was at about 12:15 p.m."

Read more: http://www.kcci.com/news/central-iow...#ixzz20wTS0aG5

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

...still, to be able to achieve boredom at such a young age...why? seems as though the child is passed around a lot for supervision. totally understandable. yet...

For those of us without Facebook, could you please give the initials of the child you are talking about? Thanks Much.

 

[elepher50]

Later in the afternoon Geduski, 31, of Waterloo, kept son Keaton Geduski, 7, and Kierra Geduski, 6, within easy reach. They brought a friend: Kaden Karns, 10, who said he rode the bus with Lyric to Kingsley Elementary School.

“I did a lot of stuff on the bus, funny stuff, and she likes that,” Kaden said.

“I just sat straight up in bed and said, ‘Oh my gosh, how do I know those faces?” Geduski recalled when she first saw the news.

Geduski said Lyric, and possibly Elizabeth, had attended vacation bible school at Heartland Vineyard Church in Cedar Falls, where her family and Lyric’s are both members.

http://thegazette.com/2012/07/17/a-different-summer-after-girls-disappearance/

 

[elepher50]

Me too!
Guess I'm touchy but IMO it should read the last known family member to see them.... or something like that...

If they were abducted clearly the last person to see them was the abductor.

"Despite interviews with neighbors near the lake who reported seeing the girls Friday, Abben said the last person to have seen the girls was the grandmother, which was at about 12:15 p.m."

Read more: http://www.kcci.com/news/central-iow...#ixzz20wTS0aG5

LE are clearly and distinctly discounting (without specifically saying it) the reported sighting of the two girls by Robert Carpenter whose wife was out delivering newspapers between 1-3pm on July 13th. Why? Why? Why? All my opinion and all the regular disclaimers.

 

[elepher50]

For those of us without Facebook, could you please give the initials of the child you are talking about? Thanks Much.

L.M. would be the initials.

 

[Kamille]

I find this wording extremely interesting:

I do too elepher. It sounds like LE is not too sure about that siting by Mr Carpenter. :waitasec:

MOO

 

[JodiR]

Yes, yes - that makes sense. It does seem, from your photo, that the only way out is the highway - without being seen by neighbors. A perp wouldn't walk them out any other way. Great map, thanks Jules.

Looking at the map, you would park at the edge of the street/grassy area right below the Avenue at the bottom of the map. When I walked the trail I got off at that area and went up the hill to the street.

I don't think you can get to the highway directly off the trail.

 

[SK_Hunter]

I, too, was afforded much more freedom than I am willing to give my own child.

We swam in our lake unsupervised. We rode our bikes from sunup to supper without checking in. We did not lock our doors in the daytime.

Yes, I mourn for the loss of that freedom for my daughter, but not enough to give it to her. You are right, it shouldn't make them victims, but these days, too often it does.

I just won't take that chance. There is too much evil.

I sympathize with your plight but at the same time it saddens me that you feel the need to restrict your loved ones freedom. I grew up in the "Serial Killer" age (as it seems like you have). Bundy, Green River, Gacy, Dahmer, Kemper. This was the 'prime' serial killing era. But somehow we managed to make it out unscathed. I do agree that society has become more "sexed and violent'", something Bundy warned society about (see youtube). But truth be told, I cannot remember a missing persons/child case in my city/area in atleast 15+ years, if then. I guess its all in how you interpret the information you have and how much you buy in to the "fear" that is disseminated. Otherwise dont get me wrong, It is never wrong to safeguard your child how you seem fit.

 

[Jules71]

See I find this odd too. The Grandma/Aunt's story is firmly 11:30 now, not 12:15, but he continues to say 12:15. He also does not acknowledge the alleged 12:27 bike sighting, the 2:30 sighting by the man saying he saw them riding East, or the man on Lake Ave watering his lawn between 12 - 3. What's up with that? And he did seem to emphasize the bike and purse/bag were there but that did not mean the girls were. AND, at the point of the last presser it had been said that dogs picked up the girls scent at the lake path and on the dock.

"Despite interviews with neighbors near the lake who reported seeing the girls Friday, Abben said the last person to have seen the girls was the grandmother, which was at about 12:15 p.m."

Read more: http://www.kcci.com/news/central-io.../15572188/-/tpswgx/-/index.html#ixzz20wXCaMzW

 

[GrainneDhu]

I'm wondering when the girls stayed away too long the first time if a police cruiser came to the home when LE was contacted.

Usually when this happens, news usually travels around the neighbourhood about why a police cruiser was parked in front of a home.

In this case, the perp could be someone who knew about this first incident and then used this to lure the girls to a waiting vehicle by approaching the girls on the nature trail telling them they had been asked by their mother and father to come and pick them up, as they should know better because they were told not to be gone too long and to leave their bikes that the perp would come back and get them after he took them home.

The girls would have believed this, as the first incident happened.

I still think this perp is local and in the know. Since there was no sign of a struggle, the girls must have gone willingly thinking they were in trouble again.

This perp may have said they were from LE.

Some thoughts.

BBM

The cousins were in Waterloo (large city north of Evansdale) during the first overdue incident.

If someone knew of that incident, then the perpetrator almost has to be someone well known to the family.

Those poor families... they have to be wondering if someone they know has done this terrible thing.

This is why I believe vehemently that justice is not for the dead but for the living and particularly for the innocent. Lifting the cloud of suspicion is important for everyone involved in incidents like this.

 

[craftybatchy]

Interstate 380 is a designated truck route and it is the main route to Waterloo/Cedar Falls from the south. So there are lots of semi trucks on it. The traffic on that road during the day is always heavy and with two lanes shut, it can only be heavier. I think most drivers are probably concentrating on the road and looking out for construction workers.

Also, the roadbed is actually fairly far away from the chainlink fence that borders it. My guess would be that it's 50 feet or so and at that point, it's a fairly steep downward slope from the roadbed. Then there are trees overhanging a short stretch of the bike trail.

It's possible that someone on the road could have seen something (I'd think a construction worker, if anyone) but not highly likely.

As for the purse, my theory is that the perp approached the girls when Lyric was near the end of that blind spot between the two fences and Elizabeth was behind her. In my theoretical scenario, the perp has Lyric by the arm and is in some way intimidating both girls. The perp orders Elizabeth to throw her purse over the lakeside fence (probably to prevent her from accessing a possible cell phone), then has both girls get off their bikes, walks them through the woods to a vehicle parked either by the lift building or on Arbutus Ave.

From more than about 10 feet away, it probably looked like a parent escorting two girls in trouble.

Good insight. I wonder though (humour me ) Would a perps first concern when accosting a child be " I bet this little girl has a cell in her purse. Better toss it." If that is the case, wouldn't he/she first make sure the cell was off or otherwise not functioning in order to prevent it being pinged via GPS ? Secondly, what if whomever confronted the girls KNEW Elizabeth had a cell phone in her purse ? Meaning they knew Elizabeth prior to the incident and were aware that she carried the phone with her.

As far as Facebook. Oi. Facebook. I have a teenage daughter and Facebook has been an issue for us on occasion. Even though I monitor it closely and have her password, she still needs a lot of "direction". Something that should be considered here is that kids often have multiple facebook accounts under different user names. I was SHOCKED to learn my daughter had 5 at one time. There is a good possibility that Lyric had more than one user id on Facebook.

 

[elepher50]

I do too elepher. It sounds like LE is not too sure about that siting by Mr Carpenter. :waitasec:

MOO

And I don't understand why ........:waitasec:

 

[Ollipop]

Thank you for taking the time to take the photos and please do post them. I would really appreciate having a better understanding of the area.

OK...I've got the pics on my cpu...anyone wanna cliffs me on how to get them here...and/or link them to a map where I could point out where I was standing when taking them?

 

[helpful]

Apologies if these issues have been addressed.

1. Why is Lyric listed as as "Associated Adult" on Elizabeth's NCMEC poster?

2. I do not mean this in an unkind way AT ALL, but if Lyric's height and weight are accurate, it would be fairly difficult for an abductor to get her into a vehicle unassisted, especially if she were struggling at all. Considering that a potential abductor would also have to worry about subduing Elizabeth, I have to speculate that IF the girls were taken, they were familiar enough with their abductor to go with him/her willingly.

(I feel so bad for Grandma. I have the feeling she thought she knew where the kids were and what they were doing. When my cousin and I were younger, we got into all kinds of trouble while Grandma was babysitting - once we snapped the legs off of Grandma and Grandpa's bed playing "Olympic high jump," and another time my cousin broke his arm "surfing" on a waterbed. Grandma just couldn't keep up, and she wasn't an old grandma either. If anything really bad had happened to either of us, I know she never would have forgiven herself. Thinking of Lyric and Elizabeth's whole family, but Grandma especially.)

 

[elepher50]

L.M. facebook account: I reviewed all the postings, looked at some friends and really did not see anything that sent off any red flags. I am basing this on comparisons to some other facebook accounts that we have had occasion to review for some other cases which involved minors. Not many friends and mom Misty is a friend on L.M. facebook so probably monitored activity and friends (I would hope).

 

[LadyL]

...And how does a strewn purse :not: suggest foul play?!

it apparently wasn't 'strewn' but either way, it's a kid's purse with nothing in it but a dud phone - kids tend to just dump their purses when they're playing

 

[Ollipop]

I do too elepher. It sounds like LE is not too sure about that siting by Mr Carpenter. :waitasec:

MOO

I can say I found it odd as well. He just lives in a weird spot for bike riders to turn around (I was near his house today, I believe). I honestly think he was confusing them with other kids, and/or commenting that kids/riders in general ride by his house. I can't think of any reason they would discount it for no reason, so it may have been speculative or maybe he has been deemed non-credible.

Also, just in general, it seems LE has all along been very hesitant/reluctant to discuss or acknowledge the possibility of an abduction, whereas the family is openly assuming it. The family's "spin" on info seems to lean in that direction, whereas LE's assessment remains neutral.

I am still haunted by the feeling that those bikes were not ridden there by the girls. I don't know why, its just such a perfectly-chosen spot to go to in order to be completely secluded, and the spot is so small. It seems like a perfect spot to hide and/or dump something that you may not want found immediately. I'm wondering if those tracks I found mean anything, like a truck backed in there where they'd be out of sight both from the road and the trail, and threw the bikes over the fence onto the trail, dropping the purse along the way, in an effort to stall/misdirect attention towards the lake.

 

[Snufamonbobball]

I usually love a good mystery before bedtime, but tonight I think I'm just going to give my son an extra hug (even if he rolls his eyes) and just go to bed.

Goodnight girls...we all are under the same moon and stars and many, many people hope and pray that tommorrow will be the day you come home.

Goodnight everyone.

 

[katydid23]

See I find this odd too. The Grandma/Aunt's story is firmly 11:30 now, not 12:15, but he continues to say 12:15. He also does not acknowledge the alleged 12:27 bike sighting, the 2:30 sighting by the man saying he saw them riding East, or the man on Lake Ave watering his lawn between 12 - 3. What's up with that? And he did seem to emphasize the bike and purse/bag were there but that did not mean the girls were. AND, at the point of the last presser it had been said that dogs picked up the girls scent at the lake path and on the dock.

"Despite interviews with neighbors near the lake who reported seeing the girls Friday, Abben said the last person to have seen the girls was the grandmother, which was at about 12:15 p.m."

Read more: http://www.kcci.com/news/central-io.../15572188/-/tpswgx/-/index.html#ixzz20wXCaMzW

THANK YOU. The timeline is more and more baffling as time goes on.

When Misty was on JVM, she tried to exlain why nobody knew what clothing the girls had on. And she said that Lyric was wearing her bright green t-shirt and PJ pants when Misty left for work. And so she did not know what she wore when she 'left to go to her cousins house.' And also she said that grandma would have been busy and not noticed what the girls had on because she had the dogs to care for and chores etc.

So it made me wonder WHO took Lyric to the home were grandma was watching the girls. OR did she ride her bike over there herself?

I think the confusion about the 11:30 vs the 12:15 is that the girls were like Mom said, very independent, thus kind of in charge of themselves. I am not making a judgment, as my son was often riding bikes alone at age 10. He stayed home alone while I did errands too. So I am not being critical, just trying to read between the lines as to what Misty was trying to say.