IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #36

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Smock has always come across as not quite competent in what he's doing. Some times he has said in the press they are aggressively pursuing leads and all that and other times he has said they are letting it come to them.

I've never been impressed by him and if it does turn out that this is indeed his first rodeo and he is the lead... Ugh.
 
I wonder if his relationship with Elizabeth's parents has prompted his full attention to this case?

I have conflicting opinions on how that would work. 1. being friends with Drew & Heather could keep him determined to find the killer of his friends' child but 2. being friends with Drew & Heather could cloud his judgment when it comes to looking into associates that they both know who could have been the one that abducted and killed Elizabeth & Lyric or he may be swayed by their opinions "ohhhhh Pastor Bob never could have" or "cousin Steve is harmless".
 
threecrazykids said:
Here ya go! I had to go digging for it - you would think with all the bookmarks I have this post would be on the list - sheesh!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ansdale-13-July-2012-30&p=9197715#post9197715
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Well, let me say a big huge thanks to you and hub for these video's. Wow. I was not as heavily involved in the girls case after their bodies were found, and I did not see these video's or any of the discussions after, so, please forgive me for the likely regurgitation of the thoughts and ideas on the subject.

My thoughts and questions:

- Who owns the tree farm and how many people go there?

- The road IN to the park, and prior to the bridges, is way, way, way longer than I though it was. 100% purposeful intent in going there

- While LE has said that location is not the murder scene, it sure does seem like it. I am not married to any thought or theory. I like to try and keep my mind open and explore alternative ideas. I really always did think that 7 Bridges was a dumping ground.

-The one thing that seems to indicate that 7 Bridges was the murder location is the distance of the 2 girls bodies. But couldn't this be explained by animals, and also, does everything the killer did actually have to "make sense"?

- Who in the hello is familiar with BOTH Meyers Lake AND 7 Bridges?

- Who in the hello still has family living in the area of 7 Bridges AND currently lives in the Evansdale area?

We MUST raise awareness and help in this case. A murderer walks among us.

JMO
 
iamnotagolem - funny you should mention that relationship. As I am still going back through the threads and that concern was mentioned WAY back, less than a month into the investigation, and was STILL being talked about all along the way. Here is an example - for quick reference.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ansdale-13-July-2012-30&p=9224437#post9224437

Not only that, but THIS tidbit from KWWL (who have continually done all follow ups on this case, via the Steele Report, etc.):

http://www.kwwl.com/story/21963374/...ice-for-lyric-cook-held-today-sources-confirm

The family of Lyric Cook has generally kept to themselves during the disappearance and discovery of their daughter's remains, choosing to hold a "Celebration of Lyric's Life" without media presence and staying largely out of the public eye.

That's in contrast to the family of Elizabeth Collins, who frequently updated the public through the media, held a public, live streamed memorial for Elizabeth and plans a public burial service for her on May 4.


I don't think this statement could be any further from the truth. The fact is - that Lyric's family was CLEARLY in the spotlight - doing every single interview in mass media. They were the ones spilling their pasts, giving their accounts for the day etc. while Heather and Drew remained quiet and in the background.

UNTIL their bodies were found.

Then - who comes into the spotlight and has 3 services for their daughter (public nonetheless), fundraisers, concerts and a memorial park and motorcycle rides and, and, and...

Not Lyric's family. Wylma, Tammy, Heather, Dan, and that "side" (if you will) had a very private, quiet service for Lyric and haven't been involved in all the hoopla since they were found dead.

I'm not accusing anyone of being involved. I'm just saying the flip flop of "spotlights" is quite concerning for me - not to mention this close relationship with Smock.

I gotta shut up now - back to the old threads so I don't get a time out.
 
threecrazykids said:
iamnotagolem - funny you should mention that relationship. As I am still going back through the threads and that concern was mentioned WAY back, less than a month into the investigation, and was STILL being talked about all along the way. Here is an example - for quick reference.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ansdale-13-July-2012-30&p=9224437#post9224437

Not only that, but THIS tidbit from KWWL (who have continually done all follow ups on this case, via the Steele Report, etc.):

http://www.kwwl.com/story/21963374/...ice-for-lyric-cook-held-today-sources-confirm

The family of Lyric Cook has generally kept to themselves during the disappearance and discovery of their daughter's remains, choosing to hold a "Celebration of Lyric's Life" without media presence and staying largely out of the public eye.

That's in contrast to the family of Elizabeth Collins, who frequently updated the public through the media, held a public, live streamed memorial for Elizabeth and plans a public burial service for her on May 4.


I don't think this statement could be any further from the truth. The fact is - that Lyric's family was CLEARLY in the spotlight - doing every single interview in mass media. They were the ones spilling their pasts, giving their accounts for the day etc. while Heather and Drew remained quiet and in the background.

UNTIL their bodies were found.

Then - who comes into the spotlight and has 3 services for their daughter (public nonetheless), fundraisers, concerts and a memorial park and motorcycle rides and, and, and...

Not Lyric's family. Wylma, Tammy, Heather, Dan, and that "side" (if you will) had a very private, quiet service for Lyric and haven't been involved in all the hoopla since they were found dead.

I'm not accusing anyone of being involved. I'm just saying the flip flop of "spotlights" is quite concerning for me - not to mention this close relationship with Smock.

I gotta shut up now - back to the old threads so I don't get a time out.
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Absolutely. Everything you said!

The action in this case has been, well, odd. Elizabeth's parents quiet until the bodies were found, then fund raising & Angel's park became the focus.

Lyric's parents were very public trying to find the girls.

Heather publicly forgave the killer. I've always been of the opinion that she either knows or thinks she knows who is responsible. And it is my opinion that if she thought Dan & Misty were involved she'd say so loud and very public. She's been very public about her disdain for her sister.

JMO, IMO, MOO all that
 
Wondergirl said:
Well, let me say a big huge thanks to you and hub for these video's. Wow. I was not as heavily involved in the girls case after their bodies were found, and I did not see these video's or any of the discussions after, so, please forgive me for the likely regurgitation of the thoughts and ideas on the subject.

My thoughts and questions:

- Who owns the tree farm and how many people go there?

- The road IN to the park, and prior to the bridges, is way, way, way longer than I though it was. 100% purposeful intent in going there

- While LE has said that location is not the murder scene, it sure does seem like it. I am not married to any thought or theory. I like to try and keep my mind open and explore alternative ideas. I really always did think that 7 Bridges was a dumping ground.

-The one thing that seems to indicate that 7 Bridges was the murder location is the distance of the 2 girls bodies. But couldn't this be explained by animals, and also, does everything the killer did actually have to "make sense"?

- Who in the hello is familiar with BOTH Meyers Lake AND 7 Bridges?

- Who in the hello still has family living in the area of 7 Bridges AND currently lives in the Evansdale area?

We MUST raise awareness and help in this case. A murderer walks among us.

JMO
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Fyi...I can't reply to your PM's...says your storage quota is full so I can't reply until you clean house. :) Just wanted to let you know since obviously I can't reply to you. LOL
 
Wondergirl said:
Well, let me say a big huge thanks to you and hub for these video's. Wow. I was not as heavily involved in the girls case after their bodies were found, and I did not see these video's or any of the discussions after, so, please forgive me for the likely regurgitation of the thoughts and ideas on the subject.

My thoughts and questions:

- Who owns the tree farm and how many people go there?

- The road IN to the park, and prior to the bridges, is way, way, way longer than I though it was. 100% purposeful intent in going there

- While LE has said that location is not the murder scene, it sure does seem like it. I am not married to any thought or theory. I like to try and keep my mind open and explore alternative ideas. I really always did think that 7 Bridges was a dumping ground.

-The one thing that seems to indicate that 7 Bridges was the murder location is the distance of the 2 girls bodies. But couldn't this be explained by animals, and also, does everything the killer did actually have to "make sense"?

- Who in the hello is familiar with BOTH Meyers Lake AND 7 Bridges?

- Who in the hello still has family living in the area of 7 Bridges AND currently lives in the Evansdale area?

We MUST raise awareness and help in this case. A murderer walks among us.

JMO
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I do not know who owns the tree farm.

As far as the road being long, that is true. Also, the videos that we shot start at the corner of where you turn to go towards the park, as seen in the second picture here:
http://qctimes.com/news/state-and-r...cle_2e8a07f6-3f26-11e2-8b49-001a4bcf887a.html

That corner is probably (I'm guessing) at LEAST 2 miles off the main higway - a couple turns and twists, with no signage whatsoever. Cindersoot and I both made wrong turns trying to find our way and we were coming from separate directions on the highway. It's not easy to find.

LE actually didn't say it was the dumping ground - one of Nancy Grace/JVM's show people said that is what LE had indicated. In reality, on the Evansdale PD site with the info on the Suspect Info tab it states "the perp likely chose this location due to familiarity with the area as well as it allowing him the privacy to commit the crime". So I am not 100% sure whether this means the crime of placing their bodies there - or if they were killed there, as well as left there.

As far as the bodies being apart - we did discuss the possibility of animal activity. Without knowing the condition of the remains we don't know whether animals maybe dragged their bodies apart. :(

As far as who is familiar with Seven Bridges and Evansdale? That is the million dollar question. Sadly, I think there are probably many more people than we want to believe. It's a public hunting/fishing area as well as a place where kids party and ride quads, etc. This is like finding a needle in a haystack. :(
 
Seems everyone was familiar with Seven Bridges. I'd love to know how many people have called in now.

I'd also like to know when the girls were killed, it'd help me with a theory.
 
Fukiyama said:
Smock has always come across as not quite competent in what he's doing. Some times he has said in the press they are aggressively pursuing leads and all that and other times he has said they are letting it come to them.

I've never been impressed by him and if it does turn out that this is indeed his first rodeo and he is the lead... Ugh.
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I don't have any problem with Smock. I think he is competent. When I asked a question of Sheriff Tony Thompson via email, he referred me too Smock. I think if he were incompetent at all, Thompson would have taken over.
 
Squeeze said:
I don't have any problem with Smock. I think he is competent. When I asked a question of Sheriff Tony Thompson via email, he referred me too Smock. I think if he were incompetent at all, Thompson would have taken over.
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Not being argumentative, but is he referring people to Smock because it's a jurisdictional issue and that's what he HAS to do? Maybe TT doesn't have a choice in the matter. If Evansdale PD is leading it, maybe that is protocol - send everything to Evansdale PD. With TT being Black Hawk County, I'm not sure why we haven't seen a Bremer County sheriff's name tossed into the mix as well. I don't know how it works - hopefully someone here will be able to answer that for me.

Again - I'm not saying Smock is incompetent. Not at all...but my concern is simply the rarity of these cases and if he has enough resources at his disposal. Like I'd said before - it's not HIS fault that these cases are so rare (thankfully). I just can't fathom how ANY small town agency can be expected to handle these cases like it's a daily task. Far from it.

I am hoping that he has all the resources he needs - and has MULTIPLE eyes reviewing the evidence. Preferably the FBI :)
 
I believe since he is the county Sheriff, he could easily pull the jurisdiction card and take over the case. I think it's a matter if mutual respect that he keeps Smock as the lead.
 
iamnotagolem said:
I wonder if his relationship with Elizabeth's parents has prompted his full attention to this case?

I have conflicting opinions on how that would work. 1. being friends with Drew & Heather could keep him determined to find the killer of his friends' child but 2. being friends with Drew & Heather could cloud his judgment when it comes to looking into associates that they both know who could have been the one that abducted and killed Elizabeth & Lyric or he may be swayed by their opinions "ohhhhh Pastor Bob never could have" or "cousin Steve is harmless".
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I'm playing catch up again, but wanted to stop and reply to your post.

I have worried about Smock's objectivity from early on, when I read his joking FB exchanges with Heather. JMO
 
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...urts/2015/02/05/murdered-girls-tips/22920191/

Not sure what to talk about to keep the thread moving, we have talked and guessed about everything we could think of going over the same things several times. Figured I would try to look for articles about Seven Bridges to see if there was anything new, don't know if this article was posted or not. I'm guessing that some of the residents around the park were used to cars coming and going before the girls were found. There seemed to be more focus and care for the other parks for a while. Now that this happened people are less likely to dump their garbage there because of the cameras.
 
skeet said:
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...urts/2015/02/05/murdered-girls-tips/22920191/

Not sure what to talk about to keep the thread moving, we have talked and guessed about everything we could think of going over the same things several times. Figured I would try to look for articles about Seven Bridges to see if there was anything new, don't know if this article was posted or not. I'm guessing that some of the residents around the park were used to cars coming and going before the girls were found. There seemed to be more focus and care for the other parks for a while. Now that this happened people are less likely to dump their garbage there because of the cameras.
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Well that's a great article.

One angle that popped to me in that, as the geocaching angle.

Maybe, just maybe, the murderer had been there geocaching.

We can probably throw that in there at the tail end with fishing, hunting and partying.

Is Meyers Lake used as a geocaching location?
 
Wondergirl said:
Well that's a great article.

One angle that popped to me in that, as the geocaching angle.

Maybe, just maybe, the murderer had been there geocaching.

We can probably throw that in there at the tail end with fishing, hunting and partying.

Is Meyers Lake used as a geocaching location?
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Geocaching would be a good excuse for just walking around, taking and leaving stuff.
 
I wonder how long this activity has been going on at Seven Bridges and who has actually used this place to play this game.

Just looking for more things regarding Seven Bridges, this was from 2007.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/ho...cle_0ffcf72a-8c88-59c6-834b-27c7e711cb53.html


"Less than a week later after the shooting, Keys' girlfriend led police to Seven Bridges Park, a wooded area with a campground between Readlyn and Dunkerton where the Glock had been tossed into the Wapsipinicon River and Keys' bloody clothes had been burned."
 
shandram19 said:
I did a quick Google because I've very busy this weekend, but there are geocaches there. The description is pretty good too. http://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GCV6YT_seven-bridges?guid=b36e319a-8a04-4055-94ba-5d952037ff6b
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From the geocache link - they talk of the mesquitos and nats being fierce at 7 Bridges.

So - if the girls were murdered soon after abduction, one could assume that the killer would have been also swarmed by mosquitos and nats.

One can also deduce that if the bugs are that bad there, maybe it is not so heavily used in the summer months.

Locals - any comment on mesquitos at 7 Bridges?
 
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