IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #6

[IAM]

No they havent. No one has been named which means we (WS-posters) cant accuse any of the family members of being involved when we have no evidence to base it on. Especially when LE has not named any of them as POIs or suspects.

imo

Ok, but does this include discussions of odd behavior? I am just trying to figure out how to join a discussion and contribute under these rules when there is no POI named but there is odd behavior observed by family? We also cannot discuss the man on bike, the bf, the couple. I am not clear on what I can discuss without crossing the line? In all honesty, not trying to be arbitrary.

 

[believe09]

We keep hunting articles so am I allowed to make a post with all the available articles and a quick synopsis of each? I don't want to devote all that time to it if the fact that it would be so long is against the rules.


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Of course, my friend. That would be awesome.

 

[JaimeInLA]

It is tomorrow in the UK...

I had to laugh that your post had "just my opinion, of course" under it. Nope, it's pretty much fact that it's tomorrow in the UK. Hahahaha.

 

[Ryloga]

Agree 100%. This is where my mind has been all along. I don't think DM or MCM did it because they both have decent alibis. But someone associated with them did.

Does anyone know if Lyric's brother has the same father? I don't know his name, but is Dan his father?

In the interview with MIL of MM (Lyric's grandma and DM's mother), grandma says her son DM and 16yo grandson both live with her so I can only assume that the brother is DM's son for sure. Not sure if he is MM's son?

Do we know if DM is Lyric's biological father? Seems a little odd that her last name is her mothers maiden name, considering the DM and MM are married.

 

[Jules71]

I don't find it odd at all - while at the lake, Gram and Aunt Tammy were told by a guy that he had seen them a little while earlier, so they told this info to LE. As for "swarming" the lake, do we really have any idea of how much LE was sent to the lake initially, and if the "swarm" was at first a trickle until after 4PM when the bikes were found? You would think if they immediately swarmed the area, the bikes would have been found even sooner.
Jmo

That's been my question from the beginning of this. Aunt Tammy stated they (she, Gram, and E's brother) got to the lake at 2:45. She said LE swarmed the lake at 3. Why didn't she or LE find the bikes before 3:58 pm?

Gma (WC) says they started looking for the girls at 12:30 because she (Gma) was supposed to take Lyric and be back home by 1:30. They (Gma and Elizabeth’s older brother) drove everywhere — Elk Run, all the parks and the lake etc.

http://www.9news.com/video/1742383520001/1/Missing-Iowa-girls-Lyric-Cook-Morrisseys-grandma-talks

Thanks for the video. I had not watched that before. This conflicts with the info Aunt Tammy stated about them looking for the girls from 2-3. Initially they it was stated they looked from 3-4 and LE was called at 4 (back in the 1st thread).

Can someone please tell me why we keep repeating that LE "swarmed" the lake at 3 PM? I can't find any reference to that in what I've read. Did it come from a presser? To me, it sounds much more logical that LE swarmed after the bikes were found, not before. (otherwise how did it take them an hour to find the bikes?)

It was stated by Aunt Tammy in an interview (Nancy Grace?). She said she asked a random man at the lake at 2:45 if he had seen the girls and he said he did see them around 2:30 heading east on their bikes. She said LE has his name/#. She said LE swarmed the lake at 3. Again, why did it take so long (58 mins) to get around the lake to find the bikes?

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Sorry. I should have noticed the U.k. I get it now!!

 

[JaimeInLA]

In the interview with MIL of MM (Lyric's grandma and DM's mother), grandma says her son DM and 16yo grandson both live with her so I can only assume that the brother is DM's son for sure. Not sure if he is MM's son?

Do we know if DM is Lyric's biological father? Seems a little odd that her last name is her mothers maiden name, considering the DM and MM are married.

Yes, Tammy was asked that in an interview. DM is definitely Lyric's biological father. Good point about the son though. DM could be his father and Misty not his mother (though I'm pretty sure she is).

 

[GrainneDhu]

I believe they started searching for the girls at 2. They were at the lake at 2:45. That leads me to believe it was not the first place they looked.

ETA: I do find it odd that the girls were reported missing at 2:45 and police swarmed the lake at 3. That's a mighty fast response time IMO.

TB also said that a man at the lake said he thought he'd seen the two girls there.

The police station is less than 3 blocks from the lake, according to Ollipop (verified local). Doesn't seem strange to me that they could cover 3 blocks in less than 15 minutes.

 

[Ryloga]

I just noticed the date on this article is "July 24, 2012, Tuesday"? Today is Monday, the 23rd?

It's from the UK...they must be a day ahead

 

[passionflower]

What's more, the first two days the girls were gone, over 1000 volunteers showed up to help search. Those were all people who had lives and no doubt many of them had other plans but they dropped those things to come help.

The weather was miserably hot and humid and there were people pushing their ways through corn fields. In case you've never been in a corn field, I can tell you from personal experience that it usually feels 10 degrees hotter in the corn rows and it's way more humid because corn plants actively throw off water vapour. There's spiders, including black widows. There's usually ticks galore. There are mosquitoes and they'll bite all day long in the shade of the corn plants.

If LE said tomorrow that they wanted another volunteer search and set it for Wednesday, even with so little notice, the chance of thunderstorms, the high temps and humidity, I'm betting they'd get more volunteers than they could handle. Just like the first two days, people would flock in from all over Iowa to help.

So no, let this Iowan assure you, Websleuths are not the only people who care. Iowans have donated their time, their money and will keep doing so.

Just call me "proud to be an Iowan."

Thankyou for all you do!
I was referring to the family in the video being so relaxed and composed.....
I would be so tearful, upset and could not think clearly but that's me.......

 

[BlueIris]

Here is a thought to ponder --

What if someone abducted the kids before they reached the lake. Perhaps they lured them into their vehicle (or home) somehow? Not sure how.

Abductor takes kids and bikes (kids go willingly, still not realizing in danger = someone they knew?)

Abductor gets kids inside home (or hideout whatever that may be).

Subdues kids (ties them up? Locks them up?)

Takes bikes, drops them somehow with purse to where they were found.

How? perhaps he takes two little girls he knows, and has THEM ride the bikes onto the pathway - he blends in? He looks like a dad out with his two kids? Perhaps they ARE his kids, or a friend's kids? Not sure. But - they take the bikes, ride them to where they were found, and dump them on the pathway??

That just MIGHT account for the guy Tammy talked to who said he saw two girls riding on the trail just before they arrived to search --

Just thinking out loud - what do you think of *that* theory?

 

[GrainneDhu]

There is a very good reason why polygraphs ARE NOT USED in a court of law.

They remain however, a useful tool in investigations.

If they test "inconclusive" the results will be inconclusive all over, including false readings for true answers, eg, the subject is lying when stating a known fact like their own name or address. This will also indicate that this particular subject cannot be effectively tested...kind of like hypnotism, some people just cannot be hypnotised, others are perfect and fall at the drop of a hat.

Either way, they can still be useful...and there is no way on God's earth that an examiner is going to tell the subject how they did, in case the subject figures out how to "beat" the test next time.

So, this lady saying she "passed" is just false.

We also must take into consideration these people are known long-term drug users. I'm no expert but I'm willing to bet that substances can skew the results. It can also make them appear to ordinary people as though they are lying when they are not, being evasive when they're actually being open, and possibly happy and relaxed when they're screaming inside.

If they are drug affected, they just won't behave in a "usual" way. IMO.

How do you explain other cases where innocent parties say they were told by LE they passed the poly?

 

[Jules71]

Gma (WC) says they started looking for the girls at 12:30 because she (Gma) was supposed to take Lyric and be back home by 1:30. They (Gma and Elizabeth’s older brother) drove everywhere — Elk Run, all the parks and the lake etc.

http://www.9news.com/video/1742383520001/1/Missing-Iowa-girls-Lyric-Cook-Morrisseys-grandma-talks

Thanks for the video. I had not watched that before. This conflicts with the info Aunt Tammy stated about them looking for the girls from 2-3. Initially they it was stated they looked from 3-4 and LE was called at 4 (back in the 1st thread).

I also want to add - if the video is correct and they went looking for the girls at 12:30 - they did not walk all the way around the lake looking for them or they would have found their bikes, right?

 

[Strawberry Fields]

It's from the UK...they must be a day ahead

It does not take much to confuse me when time zones are involved. I have a hard enough with time zones here. LOL.

 

[believe09]

Ok, but does this include discussions of odd behavior? I am just trying to figure out how to join a discussion and contribute under these rules when there is no POI named but there is odd behavior observed by family? We also cannot discuss the man on bike, the bf, the couple. I am not clear on what I can discuss without crossing the line? In all honesty, not trying to be arbitrary.

Family is sacrosanct until MSM and LE say otherwise. We dont add to their grief by picking them apart. The same holds true for the witnesses who have come forward. Witnesses will fill in the brushstrokes for LE and they are needed desperately in this case. Everyone, imo, should remember Roy Kronk from the Caylee Anthony case. Look what happened to the man when all he did was find her.

 

[Considering]

I wonder if Aunt Tammy has any idea how many people now call her "Aunt" Tammy? lol

 

[believe09]

I wonder if Aunt Tammy has any idea how many people now call her "Aunt" Tammy? lol

LOL-I was wondering the same thing!! I hope she finds it a comfort.

 

[vasportsmom]

Of course, my friend. That would be awesome.

Ok, I am jumping to my laptop and gonna start wading through threads and google for links. When I get done I do no expect to be a billion pages behind.


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[Jules71]

Since we can't always trust that what is reported is completely accurate - maybe we should look at interviews where we have video &/or transcripts of people speaking and giving conflicting information.

Example - Grandma WC saying they started looking for them at 12:30. Aunt Tammy saying they (including Grandma) started looking for them at 2.

I also thought Grandma said Heather came home at 12:30, and previously Tammy said 2. It just seems like a lot of conflicting info.

Even the missing posters say they were last seen riding bikes at the lake at 2 pm!

 

[Unscripted]

I also want to add - if the video is correct and they went looking for the girls at 12:30 - they did not walk all the way around the lake looking for them or they would have found their bikes, right?

It sounds as if Gma and Elizabeth’s older brother did a cursory scout-about in the car for half an hour (beginning around 12:30) and when they couldn’t find the girls they probably called in the rest of the family. It doesn’t sound as if they (Gma and KC) would have had time to search on foot.

http://www.9news.com/video/1742383520001/1/Missing-Iowa-girls-Lyric-Cook-Morrisseys-grandma-talks