Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #28

[Warwick7]

Quotes from RT:

"It is our greatest hope that if someone has her that they would just release her and claim that money that we have raised for her freedom."

"We're providing this fund to provide some financial incentive for someone who's otherwise reluctant to come forward," he said."

"You obviously care for Mollie and, if you're holding her, you've made a huge mistake," he said. "Don't compound it by dragging this out another minute. Let her go and turn yourself in. Face the consequences for the small act that you've done but don't compound it."

Mollie Tibbetts' father has message for missing student: 'We'll find you' - CNN

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

They weren't random witnesses. One was a man on her jogging route that they interviewed because he claims he saw her, and the other was the brother of her boyfriend.

What are the odds of both making this virtually identical claim if it didn't occur?

JMO.

Any witnesses to be honest. Just not professional to share details like that surely? It goes against the almost over the top non-disclosure since from LE too. May be it could have been a local LE officer/deputy that might have personally known those witnesses and wasn't thinking straight? If FBI though....

 

[No_Digital_footprint]

Just FYI, it wasn't a real abduction in the clip. The people were her family members.
Also, Mollie doesn't look like the type that can be easily abducted. She's a healthy, active athlete. JMO

She's 5'2", 120lbs... Only easier would be a child or infant... No matter how "healthy" the smaller victim, when surprised, loses... Shoot, I'll bet I could take on Ronda Rouse in the right environment

 

[MassGuy]

She's 5'2", 120lbs... Only easier would be a child or infant... No matter how "healthy" the smaller victim, when surprised, loses... Shoot, I'll bet I could take on Ronda Rouse in the right environment

You might be stretching with the last point, but you’re absolutely right.

 

[know_what_i'm_sayin']

Here MT's dad states she WAS taking an online course. He states many things.

Father of missing Iowa college student speaks out

Thank you for the link and welcome to WS!

Yes she's been taking a course online, but was she actually logged in and working on said course that evening? I think that's where the confusion lies.

 

[TL4S]

My guess is that Mollie was abducted during her run, and the abductor immediately left Brooklyn, choosing back roads rather than main highways. That would take Mollie and the Abductor East on 385 ave, and the next location for Mollie and the abductor would be the right bottom dot. After that point, her digital communication stopped.

Except I thought it was known that a digital signal is what brought them to the pig farm? I know I'm like a broken record about that, but did I get something wrong with the information? My personal belief is that is the last known signal, and that is why that location was looked at so hard.

 

[FindHG]

A foil chip bag works too

Faraday fabrics too, but I have no idea how it would really work? Any experts?

 

[MsBetsy]

This is from a month ago. Thank you Warwick7, for the reminder and for being here with us for Mollie.

I think it's important to remember the details that came out in the beginning of this investigation. Often they are most important. Of course we need updated and the latest information but sometimes things that happened or that people said in the first few days are forgotten in the midst of the flood of new information. Just a thought.

 

[DocBrew]

Any witnesses to be honest. Just not professional to share details like that surely? It goes against the almost over the top non-disclosure since from LE too. May be it could have been a local LE officer/deputy that might have personally known those witnesses and wasn't thinking straight? If FBI though....

They have to disclose information to potential witnesses in order to jog recollections and potentially even obtain alibis if remotely under suspicion. This disclosure wouldn't be a failure by LE more than it would be a failure by the witnesses.

JMO.

 

[FindHG]

True but it was in response to a question. I had never seen that particular article and found there was an extensive amount of information. As far as I can tell everything is still relevant.

Of course, just noting for myself, so I don't get confused as I review.

Thank you, Ms. Betsy, for your continued consideration in judging and making sense of the information in MSM regarding Mollie.

 

[Hoolovesasu]

On my way home today I used the app Waze. It's been some time since I used it last. Today I noticed an option where you can send your location using the app. Any chance LE might have gotten some of these map points because Mollie was sending someone her location and ETA using the app?

I really don't have anything to tie into my discovery today but thought I'd share in case someone else found it useful.

 

[MassGuy]

I think it's important to remember the details that came out in the beginning of this investigation. Often they are most important. Of course we need updated and the latest information but sometimes things that happened or that people said in the first few days are forgotten in the midst of the flood of new information. Just a thought.

It’s definitely important to remember those early details, but it’s just important to remember that those details can change as more evidence comes to light. The intial reporting on any case, tends to be riddled with inaccuracies. I’m not saying that’s necessarily the case here, but it’s something I am taking into account, especially as I am backing away from the theory that Mollie did in fact return from her run.

 

[FindHG]

Quotes from RT:

"It is our greatest hope that if someone has her that they would just release her and claim that money that we have raised for her freedom."

"We're providing this fund to provide some financial incentive for someone who's otherwise reluctant to come forward," he said."

"You obviously care for Mollie and, if you're holding her, you've made a huge mistake," he said. "Don't compound it by dragging this out another minute. Let her go and turn yourself in. Face the consequences for the small act that you've done but don't compound it."

Mollie Tibbetts' father has message for missing student: 'We'll find you' - CNN

Note to self: From August 2.

Thank you, Warwick. Welcome to WS and for joining in. Please keep going.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Where are her earbuds?

Maybe one was found in vacuum canister at the car wash in Brooklyn, IA (or at any of the other "red points" noted by LE). Great observation Dushi! (Wow, spellcheck is a real bear with your name Sushi!)

<modsnipped OT>

 

[Blissful12]

Thoughts during dinner while I beg my children to eat and making fake threats that I know I’m not going to follow through with....If the FBI has any DNA from the car wash linked to Mollie, it has to be a local. A perp certainly isn’t going to rid their car of evidence while a victim is in said vehicle. And if they are from out of town, they certainly will not come back and clean their car in the area where they abducted someone. Also, I’m guessing that business hours end before the time it got truly dark, so I doubt it was an accidental hit and they decided to wash off the outside, due to the fact that a significant amount of blood would be visible. MOO of course.

 

[feralwriter]

Where & when he met her, & where he lives likely correlate with where he left her body. I'm so sorry but I think this is a recovery. Today I learned there is a serial killer database: Radford/FGCU. SK average IQ: 94.5. The small # of specialists on the topic is akin to the tiny batch looking in our skies for NEOs (amount of people working a McDonald's shift).

Not saying this was SK material here. But today, disturbingly, I did run across The New Yorker article, "The Serial Killer Detector" (11/17, Wilkinson): "....751,785 murders carried out since 1976, which is roughly twenty-seven thousand more than appear in F.B.I. files. States are supposed to report murders to the Department of Justice, but some report inaccurately, or fail to report altogether... " I post this because it goes yesterday's map idea, the logic of pinning down where the perp might reside based on other missing folks in Iowa, & thereabouts.

The following is far less than 10% of an article (outdated, however) by Godwin & Canter (Encounter and Death: The Spatial Behavior of US Serial Killers):

"As Ford (1991) has elaborated, it is imperative for investigating officers to follow up on where the predator met his prey."

"....the bodies get closer to their home as the series progresses is most intriguing. It accords with the proposal that their offenses become increasingly integrated with their daily lives, and that some sort of growing confidence, or growing determination to reduce the risk of transporting the bodies, leads to the dump sites and the encounter sites being closer together.

This raises another interesting point. What if police do not know exactly what number of victims were murdered in the series or their sequence? In a serial murder case where any number of victims may have previously been linked through other forms of forensic analysis (e.g. DNA or fingerprints), then the body dump sites found furthest apart may be hypothesized to be the first victims in the series. Those clustered together, near any number of abduction sites, are more likely recent murders."

Italics/bolding mine.

 

[DocBrew]

I think they would correct the issue if that information was released directly by LE. Because the witnesses simply repeated what a member of LE supposedly told them, I don’t see this as an issue in terms of ultimate prosecution. They’ve kept the timeline under wraps, and correcting this would reveal part of the timeline, something they are apparently loath to do. We just disagree here.

Great point.

ETA: I do think it is very likely that LE disclosed this information to them. That LE evidently told them the Fitbit data corroborated her getting home and that other data indicated she attempted homework is quite telling. The reason I think this is true is because such a detail would be difficult for just one person to make up out of thin air, but two? I mean, who in this context would've thought to make up a story that she was doing her homework of all things? That sounds like a detail that would have to come from LE.

JMO.

 

[Deleted member 227095]

Bump for reference, for me.

@otto I am trying to understand what you meant in the post you made on the issue of no communication "Since police have said that there is no communication from Mollie after she went jogging, we know that she did not return home and use her computer to access her online course". Don't you think its possible that LE was referring to 'communication' to mean verbal or text or email rather than online coursework? Why would you think that 'communication' was meant to include coursework online?

In a prior thread we went back and forth quite a bit discussing the ins-outs of the various online platforms and it seemed like with the platform MT had at Iowa that she could have logged in earlier and the system might not have logged her out. I understand that you are making a very definitive statement/drawing a conclusion about MT not arriving home again based on LE making only a general statement about 'no communication'. We had statement from the family in the early days of this saga that they had looked at history logs and it seemed like she had been working after the jog. I don't think we really know what LE meant when it said 'no communication' so I'm trying to understand how you thought about this entire statement from LE and why you felt the online coursework would fall under the LE use of the word 'communication'? Fine point, maybe or maybe not?!!

My point is that in order to make the statement you are making that a number of assumptions had to be made about what LE meant when it said 'no communication' and I'm not sure LE has confirmed any of those assumptions to the public yet. I think this is one of the reasons why we are still dancing around how what happened did in fact happen. In contrast to your more broad interpretation of the use of the word 'communication', I used a narrower interpretation of 'communiation' to then assume she might have been doing schoolwork after the jog.

 

[Deleted member 227095]

Where are her earbuds?

MIA

 

[1987]

I don't know if this is allowed, but I have a creepy feeling, like a don't walk, run feeling that who ever done this is here.