IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #37

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Ok I need opinions , specifically because my daughter runs in our well populated neighborhood , we do know all of our neighbors (and she is 30 yo not a baby but very tiny a size 0) NOT Blaming Mollie not one bit either ....But does anyone really think its even remotely safe to jog anymore , I don't and I haven't for quite sometime , nor do I think its safe for my 12 y/o to walk home from school, I have found 7 registered sex offenders within a mile of her school and its a very nice area (which really does not play into things anymore ) I don't think Jogging with earphones especially is safe at all WHAT DO YALL THINK????? I really want to know

Mollie Tibbetts' slaying highlights safety concerns for women runners - CNN

I'm in my 30s and fairly petite as well (hopefully this isn't my mother I'm responding to lol!). I run in a very populated area on a very busy trail, and I never feel unsafe or alone. Of course, this doesn't mean that nothing will happen. I think it's important to keep in mind that abduction or murder aren't the only things that could go wrong on a run- there are also medical situations or injuries or weather or all sorts of things that could go wrong on a run.

Earphones are scary for lots of reasons- you can't hear cars, bikes, or a potential attacker. Unfortunately, many runners look at their running time as a time to relax, zone out to good music, catch up on podcasts, etc. Most won't find ditching the headphones an acceptable solution. My personal solution to this is to keep the volume relatively low. I also have pretty low quality wireless earbuds- they let a ton of sound through.

My strategy is to make sure someone knows where I am. I will occasionally share my live GPS location with my husband. At the very least, I tell him how long I expect to be gone and if I'm going north or south on the trail (the pro of a trail is there's no guessing as to what streets or turns I took!). Will this prevent something from happening? Nope. Will it expedite the response if I don't make it home in time? I sure hope so.

My husband is also a very statistical, logical person. He views these runner attacks in the same way that some people discuss airplane crashes. When one happens, it gets so, so, so much attention. Not implying they shouldn't- it's scary!- but how many runs end without incident? The vast majority. How many runs were likely tracked on Strava or MapMyRun so far today? How many people were killed or hurt on these runs? I don't know, but you know we'd hear about the very bad incidents for the most part.

This doesn't mean you shouldn't take precautions or pay attention to safety. There are more things in your control as a runner, of course, than as a passenger on a commercial airline. The analogy to planes isn't perfect. But, I think it is important to take a step back and realize that this case got a ton of attention because of how unlikely and uncommon the situation was. I'm not minimizing safety or what happened to MT in anyway, and I'm not at all trying to minimize your concerns about your daughter. But, personally, it helps me a lot to take a deep breath and realize that the likely outcome is not that I will die if I run alone, and to think of small things I could do that might help keep me safe.

My thoughts only. I know many might disagree with this view.
 
Ok I need opinions , specifically because my daughter runs in our well populated neighborhood , we do know all of our neighbors (and she is 30 yo not a baby but very tiny a size 0) NOT Blaming Mollie not one bit either ....But does anyone really think its even remotely safe to jog anymore , I don't and I haven't for quite sometime , nor do I think its safe for my 12 y/o to walk home from school, I have found 7 registered sex offenders within a mile of her school and its a very nice area (which really does not play into things anymore ) I don't think Jogging with earphones especially is safe at all WHAT DO YALL THINK????? I really want to know

Mollie Tibbetts' slaying highlights safety concerns for women runners - CNN
Personal opinion: Educate yourself with self defense classes. Be a good Boy Scout and “be prepared”
 
Ok I need opinions , specifically because my daughter runs in our well populated neighborhood , we do know all of our neighbors (and she is 30 yo not a baby but very tiny a size 0) NOT Blaming Mollie not one bit either ....But does anyone really think its even remotely safe to jog anymore , I don't and I haven't for quite sometime , nor do I think its safe for my 12 y/o to walk home from school, I have found 7 registered sex offenders within a mile of her school and its a very nice area (which really does not play into things anymore ) I don't think Jogging with earphones especially is safe at all WHAT DO YALL THINK????? I really want to know

Mollie Tibbetts' slaying highlights safety concerns for women runners - CNN

No, I don't believe it's safe to jog alone, especially with earbuds. In fact, I'm not sure any of us, women/girls especially, are safe anywhere.

I've had this talk with one of my daughters since moving to the country. She leaves her door unlocked, keys in her vehicles. "It's safe," she assures me. I assure her it is NOT safe, not any more. I believe I got through to her, somewhat, when I mentioned the trucker who killed a couple of women in NJ.
Trucker tells how he killed woman in Bloomsbury

The thing is, most people aren't as familiar with crime as we are. A great many people still view the world through rose-colored glasses. They think we are being "negative" to talk about such things.

I'd like to think Mollie's horrible death might wake some of them up, but I'm afraid it probably won't.
 
Ok I need opinions , specifically because my daughter runs in our well populated neighborhood , we do know all of our neighbors (and she is 30 yo not a baby but very tiny a size 0) NOT Blaming Mollie not one bit either ....But does anyone really think its even remotely safe to jog anymore , I don't and I haven't for quite sometime , nor do I think its safe for my 12 y/o to walk home from school, I have found 7 registered sex offenders within a mile of her school and its a very nice area (which really does not play into things anymore ) I don't think Jogging with earphones especially is safe at all WHAT DO YALL THINK????? I really want to know

Mollie Tibbetts' slaying highlights safety concerns for women runners - CNN

Violent crime has decreased dramatically in the past 30 or so years. People just need to be aware of their surroundings.
 
Nothing is going to bring Mollie back, but I'm hoping we can extract some learnings to apply to future cases like this. I want to know:

1. In retrospect, what can his family/co-workers/friends tell us about the Perp's behavior before and after Mollie disappeared?
2. Did the Perp change his appearance after Mollie's attack?
3. Is the Perp known to abuse alcohol and/or drugs?
4. Has the Perp harassed attacked women previous to Mollie's attack?
5. How far were Mollie's remains left from where she was attacked?
6. Was their blood at the point where she was attacked jogging?
7. Who helped him transport Mollie?
8. Did he go to the carwash to remove evidence? Did he use bleach? Was trace evidenced found in the car?
9. ETA #9 - did he attend vigils, searches, etc.

And the list goes on.
I'd also like to see a brain scan on this guy, and all criminals so we can learn if head trauma/organic brain issues play a role in criminal behavior.
 
Ok I need opinions , specifically because my daughter runs in our well populated neighborhood , we do know all of our neighbors (and she is 30 yo not a baby but very tiny a size 0) NOT Blaming Mollie not one bit either ....But does anyone really think its even remotely safe to jog anymore , I don't and I haven't for quite sometime , nor do I think its safe for my 12 y/o to walk home from school, I have found 7 registered sex offenders within a mile of her school and its a very nice area (which really does not play into things anymore ) I don't think Jogging with earphones especially is safe at all WHAT DO YALL THINK????? I really want to know

Mollie Tibbetts' slaying highlights safety concerns for women runners - CNN

Reality check-in. No, it is not safe to jog alone. There is always a risk - always - that some psycho will be hunting for a victim and spot the lone jogger - an easy target. Safety is an illusion - no one is ever completely safe from monsters. What we do is limit our risk with common sense and situational awareness. Ear buds with music playing while out alone reduces one's ability to use ones own senses to alert for danger. It is pretty ridiculous to deafen oneself to the outside world and go jog lonesome roads. But, who am I to say?

Literally millions of women were jogging alone on July 18th, we know of one who was abducted. The risks are there, but are minuscule - even with the stupid self-inflicted sensory deficit.
 
Agreed. He wasn't some master mind. He most likely panicked because of his immigration/identity situation when she pulled out her phone. He figured she's gonna call the police on me or take a pic of me or my cars license plate, so he basically flipped out. He didn't black out like he said.

Maybe he thought he'd have a chance to get to know her at first and could have simply gotten offended in the way she turned him down.
My question is, what would he have done if she'd flirted back?
 
Data from before her phone was disabled or out of range of the FitBit, data last synched with phone should be in the "cloud". Data after this point could still be on Fit bit, but I have no idea how fragile or volatile this memory or the Fit bit is.
Ok, so basically it’s going to come down to if they recovered the Fitbit to get the whole story.
 
Don't run in very public places and don't wear earplugs while running. I would avoidrunning on streets. A school track is a safer alternative. Even then be wary wary when running, focus on what's around you. In some countries women are not allowedwed to run o run in publick
 
I'm smaller than him, I could easily carry her very far, especially dragging, especially in a rage.

I'm a farm girl myself, farm work gives you real muscles, not the ones you get from cross fit LOL

Dead weight is a different kind of weight. Have you ever attempted to carry a drunk friend let alone a dead body?
 
He said they got it between 1 and 2 weeks ago. LE should have canvassed for door to door. I think he stated that a neighbour handed it in.
Yes, he also said, in the PC, I believe, that they were canvassing a neighborhood and it was handed in. He appears in more than one video here on WB and his wording is slightly different but all the same story.
 
Violent crime has decreased dramatically in the past 30 or so years. People just need to be aware of their surroundings.

I need some stats on that 'cause I'm not sure it's true. It isn't that I don't believe you, I'm not sure I believe the stats. I need to study them for myself.
 
No woman who thinks she needs police would care enough about getting her iPhone replaced to get in the car with the person who led her to want to call police.
Good point.

Another thing to note is this is small town, average grade size grades 7-12 is 42. More than likely they knew each other in some form.
I can't see him just randomly hitting her with an object and putting her in the trunk. There would have been blood on the road, people could drive by, she could have screamed, any number of things. People are out side BBQ ing, drinking beer, mowing lawns etc etc.
 
Reality check-in. No, it is not safe to jog alone. There is always a risk - always - that some psycho will be hunting for a victim and spot the lone jogger - an easy target. Safety is an illusion - no one is ever completely safe from monsters. What we do is limit our risk with common sense and situational awareness. Ear buds with music playing while out alone reduces one's ability to use ones own senses to alert for danger. It is pretty ridiculous to deafen oneself to the outside world and go jog lonesome roads. But, who am I to say?

Literally millions of women were jogging alone on July 18th, we know of one who was abducted. The risks are there, but are minuscule - even with the stupid self-inflicted sensory deficit.

I could go to a concert and be the victim of a mass shooting/bombing.

I could be on a plane and the plane could be hijacked.

I could be the victim of a home invasion.

I could be shot randomly standing outside of a Dollar Tree.

I could be shot randomly at a stop sign.

I could be jogging and be attacked by a monster.

ALL of these situations have happened, many of them in my own city. I do not consider my city a "dangerous" city, but as the population grows, so does the crime rate. Unfortunately, evil is out there, and it's out of our control. We cannot live our life in constant fear all the time, otherwise that will prevent us from living our lives. All we know is, nothing is guaranteed. We can be the most prepared person in the world, and some things are simply out of our control. All you can do is live life to the fullest. Live it like it's your last day - because tomorrow isn't guaranteed.
 
They did but you have to understand how vast this area is. The town and buildings/houses therein are a very small percentage of area. Miles upon miles of fields with all kinds of other smells, environmental factors, weather, etc. They had searched close to where her body was found but not close enough for dogs to pick it up.

Real LE dogs aren't like the movies where they put a piece of the person's clothing under the dog's nose and they immediately race over to where they are at. Even the best LE dogs can't pick up a scent miles upon miles away.

And you may be talking about 100's of square miles of cornfields in the 12 miles (and beyond) around Brooklyn. I haven ridden 10's of miles in the Midwest, surrounded by walls of corn on both sides of the road, looking for the one intersection that would take me back to the interstate. There is a lot of corn in Iowa, it ain't Pokemon, you can't search 'em all.


You sir, are correct!
 
Don't run in very public places and don't wear earplugs while running. I would avoidrunning on streets. A school track is a safer alternative. Even then be wary wary when running, focus on what's around you. In some countries women are not allowedwed to run o run in publick

Yes, and in some countries women have to wear burka's. Oh Jim, you're are going to get slammed for this post. ; )

That said, I gave up running outdoors and have a treadmill unless I am running on the weekends with other runners. Where I live, it's just not safe anymore, and probably hasn't been for a long time.
 
They've covered her case from Day 1 while CNN and others were more interested in Trump's daily tweets.

Agree with you that, they have covered it and RT announced to them first that it was Mollie’s body, IIRC.

Barely a word on MSM about Mollie

And that interview with Martha was not aggressive by any means, she asked questions and wouldn’t put up with his BS, kudos to Martha!
 
I don't know about interviews prior to arrest; Every news outlet isn't being criticized 'for using the tragedy for their agenda'; Fox certainly is.

Maybe you aren't reading those outlets. I'd post links, but they are OT.
 
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