Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[The Farm]

OR he dragged her already dead body, holding her under the shoulders, from the car to the edge of the corn rows, and then hoisted her limp body over his shoulder so that his slim lower torso could "slip" between the rows, with his shoulders and her body bulk only having to push aside the thinner upper corn stalks ("knee high by the 4th of july", and this was only 2 weeks of corn growth later). This rather than fighting to drag a body through the much thicker base of the corn rows.

Of course, any thing could have happened in the open area between the car and the corn rows, including CR stabbing the body multiple times, in frustration because he escalated too fast, at the time of the abduction, and killed her then.

I still think that, per the warrant, that she was dead by 20:28, at or near the 1900 385th location and/or died enroute to the dump site.

But anything is possible, including an intermediate stop at the "Hog Farm (searched by LE) on the way to the corn field body dump site.

This just crossed my mind, I wonder if CR was actually thinking of dumping Mollie at or very close to the pig farm and then for some reason changed his mind as in a car was coming or someone was visible from the farm? Trying to pin it on the poor pig farmer? Just an idea.

 

[TL4S]

We know the start and end location of the incident, and the time range in terms of start and finish times of incident. According to the suspect, when she arrived at the end location she had a head injury (this can be verified with blood evidence in the trunk).

What we know:

• incident timeline: 7:45PM t0 8:28PM
• incident locations: 1900 blk 385 ave, and just off Highway 21 on 460th Ave
• 69% abduction murder victims are deceased in less than 1 hour
• incident time for Mollie: 43 minutes
• travel time between locations: 15-18 minutes
• suspect's time to assault Mollie excluding travel time: 25 minutes

Given the information that we know, the timeline does not allow for a third location, and indeed we know that police are not searching a third location. We do know that the suspect's home was searched, but that does not mean that investigators believe that Mollie was at the dairy farm. According to the information that has been released by police, there are two locations: 385 Ave, and 460 Ave.

Why, without any related facts from police, would we introduce a third location to the timeline where Mollie allegedly received sharp object injuries?

According to the suspect the only injury Mollie suffered at the time he arrived just off Highway 21 on 460th Ave is a head injury. Granted he is most likely lying in much of his statement, but blood evidence should easily identify Mollie's injuries when she was in the trunk.

He may have memory failure between abduction and body location, but according to the suspect, she had one injury at the time his memory recovered. She was found with multiple sharp object injuries, so those must have occurred after his memory recovered.

All we have listed on the affidavit for incident location is the 1900 block of 385th Ave. The body, of course, was at the cornfield off Hwy. 21 on 460th, but the cornfield is not listed on the affidavit. Not sure what to make of that.

And all the affidavit says is that CR said he noticed blood on the side of her head. IMO, we can't really make assumptions that there was only one wound on her head. It simply says there was blood there. In all reality, that blood could be from one head injury, multiple head injuries, or it could be from laying in blood and there are no head injuries at all.

 

[otto]

No not at all; it's valid; but Otto stated a 'theory'; if I've understood his 'theory' and post correctly; I think he's a bit muddled regards when CR said he 'blocked out his memory. He's asked me a question; I'm trying to respond; he's then introducing further questions.

Hello. I'm not "muddled". There are two locations associated with the abduction/murder, and a 43 minute timeline. Without introducing imaginary information that has no basis in known fact, there is no third location.

According to the suspect, when he arrived at the cornfield just off Highway 21 on 460th Ave., two things happened: he recovered from his memory problem and he discovered that Mollie had a head injury. According to the facts, she also suffered multiple sharp object injuries. Those injuries, according to the suspect, must have occurred after his memory recovered.

 

[TL4S]

He may well have tried to make that claim, but after several hours of questioning perhaps he messed up, contradicted himself, and had to revise his statement.

Wouldn't it be great to have transcripts of all those hours of interviews?

 

[CarnegieHall]

Hello. I'm not "muddled". There are two locations associated with the abduction/murder, and a 43 minute timeline. Without introducing imaginary information that has no basis in known fact, there is no third location.

According to the suspect, when he arrived at the cornfield just off Highway 21 on 460th Ave., two things happened: he recovered from his memory problem and he discovered that Mollie had a head injury. According to the facts, she also suffered multiple sharp object injuries. Those injuries, according to the suspect, must have occurred after his memory recovered.

I believe what you’re saying, but I’m just asking: if sharp object injuries happened at cornfield, why isn’t that location listed on the affidavit?

 

[Al Hoffman]

I just renewed my license (got the Real ID) and I asked, they told me I could smile or not smile so gave an option. Seems it goes by state.

Some State Troopers and DMV have NO sense of humor. It does vary from state to state, but per an employee of the Utah DMV about the "no smile" policy, "Its due to the facial reorginzation program...to deter fraud...so they can take (recognization) points off of your picture and identify you easier". (KSL.com - Rules to taking a drivers license picture - May 2009).

Hey, just try and show up for your DL picture in costume. (I used to run with a "Big Bang Theory" crowd some 20-30 years ago, Star Trek or SCA) Like I said, NO sense of humor at the DMV.

 

[otto]

All we have listed on the affidavit for incident location is the 1900 block of 385th Ave. The body, of course, was at the cornfield off Hwy. 21 on 460th, but the cornfield is not listed on the affidavit. Not sure what to make of that.

And all the affidavit says is that CR said he noticed blood on the side of her head. IMO, we can't really make assumptions that there was only one wound on her head. It simply says there was blood there. In all reality, that blood could be from one head injury, multiple head injuries, or it could be from laying in blood and there are no head injuries at all.

It's certainly possible that Mollie was the victim of not only a good hit in the head, but multiple sharp object injuries causing death, at the 1900 blk 385 Ave. However, going by what we know about abduction/murder, where the body is found 15 miles away from the abduction site, is that the abduction occurred at the first location and the murder occurred at the second location. Why would this be different?

 

[The Farm]

Well I know for a fact and the woman at the DMV told me that when people from foreign countries come in such as wearing head turbans and the women with their faces covered??? They can not make them remove them because of their religion......I would like to see if I went in their with my face covered as an American what they would do?

 

[Al Hoffman]

JMO

He’s going for the male version of I’m a pouty, saltry Zoolander model look

Come hither!

Howard W. from "The Big Bang Theory", pencil pants, belt buckle, insecurities hidden by vanity and posing, and all the rest of CR's package...except for a body in the trunk.

 

[otto]

I believe what you’re saying, but I’m just asking: if sharp object injuries happened at cornfield, why isn’t that location listed on the affidavit?

Don't know. I suppose it wasn't necessary to make the arrest. Instead of providing the address of the body site in the warrant, it states "secluded area in a cornfield."

 

[Al Hoffman]

Well I know for a fact and the woman at the DMV told me that when people from foreign countries come in such as wearing head turbans and the women with their faces covered??? They can not make them remove them because of their religion......I would like to see if I went in their with my face covered as an American what they would do?

Try going in dressed as Seven of Nine from Star Trek Voyager or in Anachronistic Steampunk, or medieval SCA garb. No sense of humor!

 

[Kensie]

My DL picture makes Aileen Womas (the murderer that Charlize Theron played in the move 'Monster') look like a super model. No smile, no glasses and super windy blown hair. I cringe everytime I have to show the hideous picture.

I agree with you Al, I think the killed Mollie before taking her body to the cornfield.

 

[Al Hoffman]

I know what you mean. That's part of the reason I do not have FB. It seems like a big competition to show who has the best life. At least from what I have seen. I don't think we can read too much into the fact that he doesn't smile in his pictures. I think it may be a conscious effort to look a certain way. Imo. I just am very curious to see what he looks like with a big grin on his face. Someone said there were pictures of him smiling but I haven't seen any.

There are photos of Leonard Nimoy busting a big toothy grin, on set - of camera, in his full Dr Spock makeup and costume. Truly frightening. There is a reason that some people don't smile a lot. And, in his case, it was not because of bad teeth, or that Leonard N. was a bad looking man.

Though, I do now wonder about CR's grill. Bad teeth could be a good reason not to smile much or fully.

 

[MsBetsy]

After his alleged 'blocked memory', he found earbuds; then found body in boot; he then took the body to the cornfield; and hid the body with stalks. Any assault and the fatal attack took place elsewhere.

Actually LE has never stated "any assault and fatal attack occurred elsewhere" at least not to my knowledge. They were simply relaying his " story" in their statement to the media. It does not necessarily mean they believe it. They would not say, "this is what he said, but we believe he's lying" imo. I highly doubt they believe he blacked out and just can't remember the gory details. In my opinion the earbud story and remembering the body was in the trunk cannot be stated as fact. I'm surprised the MOO police didn't call you on that. Since we only have the affidavit and limited facts to go by, we can assume the most reasonable thing to have happened is that he assaulted her after he chased her down, either killed her right there or took her to the second location where he continued the assault and murder. He may have killed her right away, it just doesn't seem sensible because of the risk of being seen. That would be 45 minutes that a passing car could see his car or even he and the victim. It just doesn't seem likely. The only other location that seems likely is the cornfield, or at least the dirt road going into the cornfield, where there is less chance of being seen, Imo.

 

[Al Hoffman]

I didn't think *advertiser censored* was necessarily violent, though, except for maybe bondage. I've never ventured into the back room at family video, though. I don't really want to see it. The baboons are enough for me.

They have Baboons at YOUR Family Video? Just WHERE were you shopping. And yes there are still some video stores out there, I just saw an ad on Memphis off prime digital broadcast TV for a used CD shop filling that need. And there is still a Blockbuster Video store in Bend, Oregon, the last in America.

 

[MsBetsy]

There are photos of Leonard Nimoy busting a big toothy grin, on set - of camera, in his full Dr Spock makeup and costume. Truly frightening. There is a reason that some people don't smile a lot. And, in his case, it was not because of bad teeth, or that Leonard N. was a bad looking man.

Though, I do now wonder about CR's grill. Bad teeth could be a good reason not to smile much or fully.

Yeah, for some reason I really wonder what he looks like with a big smile. No-one has found any pictures yet. To my knowledge.

 

[beebosox]

I didn't think *advertiser censored* was necessarily violent, though, except for maybe bondage. I've never ventured into the back room at family video, though. I don't really want to see it. The baboons are enough for me.

Rats. We only had the lesser apes - gibbons, etc. Old World Monkeys like baboons would be a treat - macaques, mangabeys, mandrills, those. So much for Blockbuster. No wonder it's out of business!

 

[Kaylas]

I was a jogger long ago and jogged along the roads in Warren County. (Iowa) My Aunts insisted that I have a running partner when I ran on the rural routes. Days of Walkman strapped to my arm. This was a common message from the mid 80s to the 90s. Don’t go running or walking alone.

My cousins and their kids being raised in small townships, like New Virginia, have been told to run with a partner.

We can not go back in time to prevent Mollie’s death. We can continue to encourage our daughters, sisters; grandchildren and nieces to find a running partner.

 

[Al Hoffman]

I think the poster was referring to violent *advertiser censored*, which apparently there is alot of on line. And, wow... they still have video stores? And with a back room? Haven't seen that in a long time, but I remember that mysterious curtain from when I was a kid.

There is a LOT of "violent" *advertiser censored* for free on line (You *advertiser censored*), including "Rape Van" *advertiser censored* that mimics what CR did without the murder. Also, now on some of the violent BD/SM porns the actress do a Q&A after the shooting to say how much they were willing participants, et al. It takes all kinds. And let's not even talk about rape fantasy *advertiser censored* out of Japan, as that stuff can get "weird".

 

[JenniD]

Don't know. I suppose it wasn't necessary to make the arrest. Instead of providing the address of the body site in the warrant, it states "secluded area in a cornfield."

Is it possible the arrest warrant was issued based on his confession but LE had not yet discovered the exact location of the body but knew based on what CR told them that it was in a cornfield.