ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 51

[blackbeary]

No death row in WA since 2018.

Capital punishment in the state of Washington was abolished on October 11, 2018 when the state Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional as applied. On September 10, 2010, Cal Coburn Brown became the last person to be executed in Washington State before it was abolished in 2018.

Capital punishment in Washington (state) - Wikipedia

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Thank You. I didn't know that about Washington State

 

[BeckyF]

Bump! The covert stops are fake news.

Not fake news.

Idaho murders: FBI denies directing Indiana police to pull over Bryan Kohberger

A law enforcement surveillance team was tracking Bryan Kohberger and his father on their cross-country road trip and directed Indiana police to pull the two over.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Gypsy Road]

IMO, this is not who I pictured committing the crime. I was expecting someone more disturbed/evil looking.

Same! I hate to say it! I would have never pegged him as a killer by his looks, but I should have listened to my mama and learned long ago that we can’t judge a book by its cover, same for looks. Some photos BK looks creepy, while others he just looks like a nerdy book worm. I have seen some comparison photos on the internet where people have put side by side photos of BK and Ted Bundy and I do see similarities. Ted was caught once and for all just a mile from where I live during a traffic stop when local cops ran his tag and realized the vehicle he was driving was stolen. Cops didn’t even realize who they had at first. I drive by that spot often and never fail to get the heebs as I pass by. Anyway, I digress. Nothing has been mentioned that I know of, but I wonder if BK was modeling himself after Ted Bundy and if he had killed before?

 

[ttenrub]

I wonder if there's any chance he'll end up in SuperMax(ADMAX) prison in Florence CO

oh ick! no, we don't want him in CO!

 

[katydid23]

RBBM
Unarmed? Are we sure about that?

Every traffic stop in every jurisdiction can potentially threaten the life of responding LE. They are trained to know how to handle themselves, but yes, they are sometimes crime victims. It's a risk of the job, no matter how well-prepared & skillful they are.

I think the responders at these two stops would say it's all in a day's work. They really never know what they will encounter although some highways & jurisdictions have known dangers, such as drug running.

When you put on the badge, you never know the risks until you encounter them. That's just the way it is.

Approaching BK with backup/more officers would have been a red flag to BK & likelier to create escalation IMO.

JMO

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When I said unarmed, I meant that once an officer leans face first into the stopped car, his holstered weapon is pretty useless. If a desperate felon planned to shoot him it would be too late to prevent it.

I agree about encountering risks---an officer accepts those risks every shift. But they don't need to take unnecessary and needless risks if possible.

It didn't look to me like there was much useful evidence gleaned about the hands in either of those stops. Both officer's were put in very vulnerable situations for very little gain, imo.

 

[otto]

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Eagerly awaiting probable cause. Is there a gag order in place?

 

[seattlenika]

I was born in Pullman and I attended WSU in early 2000s as an undergraduate and took many classes in criminology and psychology while there. It is known as a party school—basically lots of heavy-drinking and dominated by the greek system. Most graduate students can’t wait to get out of there, as it’s an isolated, rural college town with hard winters and very little to do. The kegger/meathead/football culture wears on you real quick, particularly if you are a more academic type.
For as close as Moscow is to Pullman, there actually was very little back and forth between the towns for the vast majority of students. These college kids want to be able to stumble home drunk, not drive 15 minutes and risk a DUI. The road was often iced over, and because of some terrible fatal accidents over the years, it was known to be heavily watched by police. I think I went to Moscow 3 times total and I never once met a student from the university of Idaho.
I’m trying to wrap my head around how Brian could have possibly known these kids—I can tell you right now, there’s no way he was a part of their social circle. The Pi beta phi’s at WSU wouldn’t even socialize with a guy from the wrong fraternity, let alone an older, awkward PhD student. Graduate students typically stuck to 2 bars in Pullman, there was just very little crossover socializing between undergrads and phd students in these towns and very little crossover partying/socializing between the schools. Just some random thoughts rooted in a curiosity to know what in the world led him to this house and these kids.

 

[MsBetsy]

I was replying to a post noting that real PhDs in technical fields don't usually refer to themselves as doctor. I agreed but noted it depends on context. In many fields including psychology and criminology it is not unusual for masters degree recipients to use MA/MS.

You state inequivocably that he is a murderer. Do you have evidence to share that has not been posted or are you just convinced by the extremely weak evidence shared so far? I am waiting for evidence. Do I "think" he is guilty of killing the UofI students, yes. But unless there is evidence I have not seen, I could not say there is no reasonable doubt and it scares me that there are people in this country who could at this point.

LE has said they are confident BK is responsible for the murders.They have DNA evidence linking him to the crime. I think it's very unlikely police arrested the wrong guy.

 

[Stratocaster]

I was born in Pullman and I attended WSU in early 2000s as an undergraduate and took many classes in criminology and psychology while there. It is known as a party school—basically lots of heavy-drinking and dominated by the greek system. Most graduate students can’t wait to get out of there, as it’s an isolated, rural college town with hard winters and very little to do. The kegger/meathead/football culture wears on you real quick, particularly if you are a more academic type.
For as close as Moscow is to Pullman, there actually was very little back and forth between the towns for the vast majority of students. These college kids want to be able to stumble home drunk, not drive 15 minutes and risk a DUI. The road was often iced over, and because of some terrible fatal accidents over the years, it was known to be heavily watched by police. I think I went to Moscow 3 times total and I never once met a student from the university of Idaho.
I’m trying to wrap my head around how Brian could have possibly known these kids—I can tell you right now, there’s no way he was a part of their social circle. The Pi beta phi’s at WSU wouldn’t even socialize with a guy from the wrong fraternity, let alone an older, awkward PhD student. Graduate students typically stuck to 2 bars in Pullman, there was just very little crossover socializing between undergrads and phd students in these towns and very little crossover partying/socializing between the schools. Just some random thoughts rooted in a curiosity to know what in the world led him to this house and these kids.

Yes the connection that links BK with the victims will surely be interesting when the evidence speaks

Early indicators sends chills down my spine, knowing he was pulled over so very close to the house by LE for, I believe a traffic violation one August '22 evening close to midnight.

 

[MsMarple]

JB Biunno #HeyJB
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“I didn’t do anything.” “The shopping is better in Idaho.” That’s what #Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger told Pennsylvania jail personnel, according to sources, says
@TVAshleigh
. Kohberger was described as ‘creepy’ while in custody.

9:03 PM · Jan 4, 2023

His defense team is gonna have their hands full with this one. IMO

 

[seattlenika]

Yes the connection that links BK with the victims will surely be interesting when the evidence speaks

Early indicators sends chills down my spine, knowing he was pulled over so very close to the house by LE for, I believe a traffic violation one August '22 evening close to midnight.

Oh wow. I didn’t know this. So potentially months of stalking…horrifying.

 

[KonaHonu]

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I just don't see how small county jails could possibly provide specialty cooks for each inmates culinary predilections. But everything about this case has me wide-eyed and surprised with every page. @ Elley Mae wrote BK would be on a plane and back to Idaho the same day he went to court....and lo and behold, absolutely nailed it!!
And lastly, just wondering if anything was reported taken/missing from the CSI Lab at WSU?

It doesn't matter if you can see how small county jails can cater to inmate predilections. Every detainee has a constitutional right for their dietary preferences to be respected. This has been affirmed by federal courts. If you were arrested how would you feel if they fed you only things that offended your sensibilities. Perhaps you'd be placed on a healthy diet of tempeh and kefir with moldy (blue) cheese as a treat.

Once someone is convicted their civil rights are curtailed. Their right to have their culinary choices respected may be limited.

But while merely detailed and awaiting trial, the jail must accommodate their choices and ensure their dietary needs are met. This like means employing a dietician although I suspect most jails already do.

 

[debbiediablo]

Just IMHO, but I think states have so many traffic laws there is almost ALWAYS probable cause to stop a car, and usually sooner rather than later.

Here in California you can be ticketed for speeding, of course, and also for driving too slowly. But you can also be charged for going exactly the speed limit if CHP decides you are "interfering with the flow of traffic", i.e., everybody else exceeding the speed limit around you! I've lived here for over 35 years and I've never heard anyone claim to get a ticket this way, but the DMV drivers' manual mentions the possibility.

Where I live if there's evidence in plain sight or the car smells like drugs or the driver appears impaired then the patrol officer can proceed to try to persuade the driver to agree to a search or bring in a K-9 or obtain a warrant. But there has to be a reason. Digging through someone's luggage because they were speeding won't work.

 

[KonaHonu]

Eagerly awaiting probable cause. Is there a gag order in place?

There is a non-disemination order in place. I'm not sure how strong that is but I suspect MSM will be in every possible court filing FOIA demands to get everything out there. Based on what we know from the Daybell case, these will be largely successful in Idaho but we will have to wait and see.

 

[KonaHonu]

Where I live if there's evidence in plain sight or the car smells like drugs ...

There are prohibition era Supreme Court decisions specifically prohibiting the use of smell for probable cause.

This is very recent case where the US Supreme Court rejected use of smell in a marijuana case https://www.supremecourt.gov/Docket.../20200731162105822_Jones cert petn - pdfA.pdf

I'm not sure where you are so I cannot research the police department. But if their policies are as you say, that could be a serious problem for them, Plain sight evidence is fine. Smell of drugs is illegal evidence!

 

[debbiediablo]

There is a non-disemination order in place. I'm not sure how strong that is but I suspect MSM will be in every possible court filing FOIA demands to get everything out there. Based on what we know from the Daybell case, these will be largely successful in Idaho but we will have to wait and see.

My understanding is the gag order is for LE, defense and prosecuting attorneys and anyone else working on the case (i.e. private investigators hired by the defense), but not for former LE, profilers, forensic psychologists or the media. Whether the affidavit of probable cause is sealed like the Libby-Abby case remains to be seen, but the media can always file a FOIA request which are often successful. Depending on how gruesome the details the judge may deem it necessary for the defendant to receive a fair trial. All MOO!

 

[CuriousObserver1]

What was the traffic violation in Aug near the victim’s home?

(Edit just seen it in the timeline but can’t delete post: A citation from Latah County Sheriff’s Office, obtained by The Independent, reveals that the 28-year-old criminology PhD student was stopped by police on 21 August for failing to wear his seatbelt.)

Police have ‘no record’ of whether Bryan Kohberger was offered internship position

The Independent filed a public records request with the Pullman Police Department earlier this year

www.independent.co.uk

 

[debbiediablo]

There are prohibition era Supreme Court decisions specifically prohibiting the use of smell for probable cause.

This is very recent case where the US Supreme Court rejected use of smell in a marijuana case https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20-5285/149187/20200731162105822_Jones cert petn - pdfA.pdf

I'm not sure where you are so I cannot research the police department. But if their policies are as you say, that could be a serious problem for them, Plain sight evidence is fine. Smell of drugs is illegal evidence!

It's used here all the time (NE IA). I read three different county sheriff reports each week, and LE routinely uses it as an excuse to search. I swear they are sent to liar's school to learn how to establish probable cause when there isn't any. My son-in-law got into a situation like this but the K-9 said no and there was nothing in his truck. They spent five hours having him perform a bunch of sobriety field tests (not administered correctly) in sub-zero weather until he failed. When his attorney asked for the video they sent the final one where he was cold and exhausted and failed, but not the five previous ones that he performed perfectly. By the time it was over his attorney (not court appointed) had all the charges dropped and the deputy who made up all the was literally in tears during interrogatory. He slumped so low he couldn't be seen in the witness box. I'm guessing Indiana LE were looking for healing hand injuries and maybe a knife on the floor of the backseat.

 

[Cool Cats]

I just hope that given the number of people going in and out of that house for parties that the DNA evidence is indisputable and couldn’t be explained by saying he was at party there on some occasion.

There were defensive wounds on one or more victims so perhaps there is DNA under the victim's nails or on their hands etc...In that case, the DNA cannot be explained away as simply as BK attending a party in the house.

I assume BK used all his criminology class knowledge to try to get away with it and one of the biggest things is do not leave behind your DNA. I am very curious to find out how his DNA got left behind. I have a feeling he thought it would be easy killing people in their sleep but was caught off guard when one or more of the victims fought back. Maybe he had a hat and it fell on a victim leaving a hair or trace DNA.

My first thought is DNA being left when a victim fought back, like his glove came off, amongst other scenarios.

Will be waiting for answers. The DNA is critical and will of course be disputed by the defense. Defense will file a Motion to try to get the DNA thrown out and if that doesn't work they will get their own expert to dispute it - I think. I have seen the defense try this in other trials.

 

[KR72]

Just a random question that one of you may know the answer to.

If Bryan's parent's home was damaged during the raid, who pays for the repairs? They apprehended their suspect at the home, but the parents themselves weren't the suspects, so are they responsible or would they receive any sort of compensation?