ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 60

[SRWCF]

This might be a dumb question, but can Home Depot sell a knife with the USMC symbol on it?

It's very possible. I have a USMC t-shirt that I bought at Walmart.

 

[RANCH]

comfort while driving?

Backwards wouldn't make it more comfortable. If the knife was in the sheath the handle would be pressing against your body instead of the flat back part of the sheath. JMO.

 

[Pretty Go Pale]

My thoughts on the sheath being left... I don't think he understood the mechanics of it. Instead of looping it through the belt then the belt loops on his pants, he probably skipped the belt and just used the snap around a belt loop, not realizing it will fall off when opened. to use the knife.

I suspect he had the sheathed knife in a hoodie pouch or small backpack - maybe just tucked into the waist of his pants. I doubt he'd have it snapped onto his belt/belt loop, as he'd likely not want it to be visible.

 

[jumpingjackflash]

Any thoughts on why he used his own car on the night of the murders?

Given that many homes have cameras, using his own car seems to indicate a remarkable lack of forethought and planning. If he planned all of this carefully, I'm puzzled as to how he decided to use his own car.

I think this crime has organized and disorganized elements to it, brought on by BK's careful planning, on the one hand, and uncontrolled rage, on the other. I talked in a couple of earlier threads about the possibility that the grading fiasco at WSU -- wherein the undergraduates whose papers he was grading were given an opportunity to publicly critique him--may have served as a trigger event that accelerated BK's originally planned timeline for the murders. So it's possible that he did intend to use another vehicle but tossed that intention in his rush to act.

However, I think there are other factors to consider with respect to the car question. One is whether BK had the resources required to access a second vehicle. I don't think BK had the financial resources to purchase a second (unregistered) vehicle, and any rented vehicle would be easily tracked by LE. That leaves the options of either stealing a vehicle or borrowing one (with or without permission) from a contact. Perhaps BK did not have the skills required to pull off an auto theft. And the combination of his newness in the Pullman area and his solitary lifestyle/lack of friends would have limited his options with respect to borrowing a vehicle.

 

[Pretty Go Pale]

I'm wondering if he possibly left it as a red herring. He thought the police would chase down leads with a military background and give him more time to dispose of evidence.

Doubtful he'd want to leave anything behind that might have his DNA on it.

 

[passionflower]

My guess is there will be lots of digital evidence to this crime. He has no friends except internet to talk to, brag of his intelligence. Made a to do list? Diary? Something will be found, MOO

 

[Puzzles8]

My thoughts on the sheath being left... I don't think he understood the mechanics of it. Instead of looping it through the belt then the belt loops on his pants, he probably skipped the belt and just used the snap around a belt loop, not realizing it will fall off when opened. to use the knife.

The location of the sheath in KG and MM's bedroom also suggests they were the first victims.

JMO

 

[gliving]

This possibility would also answer the question of whether he worked anywhere since moving to WA. It has not been mentioned. How did he get money? I think the only job I’ve seen referenced was at a pizza place in PA and the school on PA as security.

He also applied for an internship with the Pullman PD. I'm not sure if this is a paid position.

KOHBERGER’S APPLICATION WITH PULLMAN POLICE DEPARTMENT

According to police, Kohberger did apply for an internship with the Pullman Police Department in the fall of 2022. But Kyle Serrott, a Ph.D. student in the American Studies and Culture program at Washington State University, told the Statesman it’s not uncommon.

“I think that context is important because otherwise, it’s painting a more sinister picture than I think it was,” Serrott said.

He added that as graduate students they are “constantly applying for something.”

Serrott said he believed Kohberger actually applied for a fellowship known as the Doctoral Level Graduate Research Assistantship for Public Safety, based on his knowledge of Kohberger’s program and the description in the affidavit. The assistantship is a three-year program with the city of Pullman and works with the Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology — which is the program Kohbeger was enrolled in, according to the university’s website.

In the affidavit, police alleged, Kohbeger in an essay to the department said he had an interest in “assisting rural law enforcement agencies with how to better collect and analyze technological data in public safety operations.”

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article270856202.html#storylink=cpy

 

[RANCH]

My guess is there will be lots of digital evidence to this crime. He has no friends except internet to talk to, brag of his intelligence. Made a to do list? Diary? Something will be found, MOO

I hope LE finds a whole bunch of incriminating evidence to use at trial. I don't trust juries to get the correct verdict in cases with limited but convincing evidence. JMO.

 

[kittythehare]

Maybe there isn’t one but he bought that knife and sheath to make people think there was a military connection.

We don't know knife matched sheath, only that it was heavy and fixed blade.
So I'm looking for any MC he might have had or been affected by, personally.
In 2011 his ambition

In excerpts from the 2011 Pleasant Valley High School yearbook, it says "Kohenberger [sic] used the skills he learned to help him reach his goal to one day serve in the Army Rangers," an elite branch of the Special Operations Forces.


However, it appears Kohberger did not take his aspirations for a career in the military further. A U.S. Army spokesperson told Newsweek that Kohberger was "not found in our system" when asked whether he had trained for or was in the Army Rangers.

Was Bryan Kohberger in the military? Idaho suspect's career history

Kohberger expressed a desire "to one day serve in the Army Rangers" in a high school yearbook.

www.newsweek.com

Was it an act of revenge for somebody he personally lost who was a MC?
I don't know..yet.

It could well have been an accidental thing.. but he planned carefully. He was in and out fast.
What, if any meaning does MC have to him?

 

[kittythehare]

I'm wondering if he possibly left it as a red herring. He thought the police would chase down leads with a military background and give him more time to dispose of evidence.

Maybe but those knives are readily available to anybody who wants them $135 I think..

 

[Copper107]

One thing we're told time and time again is the evidence leads us to the offender.

Thing is that he could have done it with any bladed knife/scalpel
What's the USMC connection or is there one?

 

[jepop]

Okay, I see what your saying about the Johnson Rd at 5:20 now. He was southbound on 95 near Blaine at 4:48. And I agree, likely no camera footage of him after Queen St. If he did indeed scout out a route he thought was camera free, he might have done a fair job aside from the very few cameras that captured him. And you're right, the premise of this whole thing might be far-reaching. Even I'll admit that. But, like you, I'm very curious about what he was doing for that extra half-hour, and why he went east before going back west...

Absolutely curious, I have a new theory re why he ends up West on East Indian at 3.26. Will post it when I can. You know, maybe the circular route alibi theory would make more sense if he had had two number plates? Sure, one plate at back makes it less likely his plate no.will be identified by cameras, but also makes the car stand out if footage shows the lack of front plate. And surely if he's thinking alibi if LE get on to him, he must have known that his renewal with WA plates post 13 Nov would be easily traceable online? He'd want the cameras east of Moscow on the main drag to pick him up and the plate no. at 2.53 to 3.15 before heading rural to East Indian because phone is off. But then he'd have to be pretty certain that any residential cameras in Queen, Walenta, King and in East Moscow wouldn't pick up his plate no. even if they allowed for an id of make and model and approximate year...that might be feasible for darker residential streets I guess -but still seems risky...but he'd ALSO want to be certain that cameras would not pick up in both Queen/Walenta and his diversion along 95, the lack of front plate because that would indeed look suss to LE. How could he know this with any certainty.

 

[ArmChairDet]

This might be a dumb question, but can Home Depot sell a knife with the USMC symbol on it?

With trademark lic. The gov was probably paid for the copywriter, just like pro sports teams.

 

[kittythehare]

One thing we're told time and time again is the evidence leads us to the offender.

It's the evidence I'm actually looking at here.
We have the offender, alleged.
We do not have his motivation.

 

[B-Dub]

Has anyone considered that XK was reciving her DoorDash delivery down on the 1st floor while BK was up on the 3rd floor. Seems possible and, perhaps even likely, that they then met face to face on the 2nd floor (as she was returning to her room and as he descended from killing the two girls). As he chased her into her room she exclaimed to EC that "someone is here". If she dropped her food on the way, that would explain why the roomates where concerned about her (per the 911), but not the girls on the 3rd flr. If the roomates peered under XK's bedroom door, they would have seen her lying on the floor (and perhaps her body was blocking the view of blood). Her roomates were probably thinking she was wasted to drop her food in the hall and then pass out on her floor.

Seems like almost everything happend at "approximately 4am" when, in reality, almost everything happend during 16 mins between 4:04am (when BK arrived) and 4:20am (when BK sped away). During that time, the order of DM's observations are know: noise upstairs (stuggling with KG), then "someone's here" (likely XK alerting EC), then crying (from XK), and then "I'm going to help you" (from BK). There are time-stamps for when XK stopped TikTok (4:12) and when the neighbor's security captured the "whimpering" and "thud" (4:17). All these events happend at "approx 4am" and so did the DoorDash delivery. The question is where does it fall in the sequence.

I'm new and haven't read this whole thread, so maybe this has already been discussed? Just wondering if anyone else had considered that DoorDash happened during (and not before) the murders.

 

[tara83]

I know we all have mixed feelings about the Daily Mail.

Today their headline article was about DM, one of the surviving roommates. They have stalked her to her parent's home and taken clandestine photos of her as she left the home to run to Starbucks.

For me, this crosses a journalistic line. She is a victim too. She has to be dealing with so much in the aftermath of the murders. IMO, she doesn't need the DM stalking her too.

I am deliberately not linking the article here.

Rant over.

JMO

I was glad to see Kaylee's sister do an interview urging people not to judge her because people never know how they will react in such situations.

 

[Copper107]

I'm just exploring the sheath as 'signature' as opposed to ever having been part of the crime and wondering whether he might have been leaving a message with it?
I'm looking for connections and dates and names, trying to figure whether he had any personal connection with USMC..
It's a wild notion but feel compelled to push on ..?

We don't know at this time, all we know is single source DNA was found on the sheath. That means exactly that.

 

[lcookster]

I considered that, too. I've tried looking at the crime both from a very crafty perspective and a sloppy perspective. Crafty would be getting gig work to explain the frequent presence of his car in the area. Crafty would be intentionally leaving a KABAR sheath but actually using an entirely different knife. Crafty would be going to the first floor to open the front door and leave it open to misdirect how he entered the house. Etc, etc. Deliberate distraction tactics. Going down to the first floor to open/stage the front door would also have put him on the stairs near X's room, which is speculatively why he ran into her.

I haven't yet decided which he is - crafty or sloppy. My opinions only.

Link to front door open: Idaho murders: Slain university students' neighbor says front door left wide open after attacks

I think he is sloppy and acting with emotional urgency. I think circling the property and turning his phone off precisely when he did are JV moves. I don't think leaving the sheath was a 'signature move,' as a couple of others have suggested. I think he was running on adrenalin and in kill mode. He could even have been disassociating. The officer's description of the scene he came upon sounds as if it was swift and frenzied. God, those poor, poor kids.

 

[IceCreamSundae]

I agree, and what a great dad. I wish I had a father that would fly clear across the country to ride with me clear back across the country to spend the holidays together.
My heart aches for those parents, and I wish I could help him clean up.

I agree. Those pictures are heartbreaking and I wish they hadn’t been printed. I believe in the goodness of people until I’m proven wrong, and I don’t think BK’s father was anything but an innocent victim in this as well as the 4 students and their friends and families.