ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 67

[esayer]

IE the Walmart receipt: He didn't get the knife at Walmart did he? <modsnip - name calling not allowed>
Link to exact knife sold at walmart.

 

[AbbyG]

Has it been suggested that he deliberately left that sheath (not realizing he had left DNA on it) because it does NOT match the knife he used, so is a mislead?

 

[drmrgrl]

Probably already said, but not an impressive list of things seized at his apartment. I've seen a lot of hubbub about the stained mattress and pillows, but those kinds of stains tend to appear on their own with prolonged use.

My opinion.

IMO, also BK is somewhat reckless when shaving, we have all seen the cuts. Maybe he showers and shaves before he goes to bed.

 

[drmrgrl]

I would like to know the answer to that myself. And, I read through the whole thing and I can't figure out why the prosecution would think it would reflect badly on them (paraphrase) or cause the investigation to come to a halt.

Any thoughts, anyone?

IMO, they have the wrong guy. Or LE became privy to other info after BKs arrest.

 

[drmrgrl]

Which would add even more complications for the prosecution. Especially in close college towns. Ugh.

IMO. Agreed. That means other people slept in or used the furniture previously leaving their dna, bodily fluids, hair.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

IMO, is it possible that BK had defensive wounds on his body?

He might have had consequential wounds, cuts as a consequence of his grip slipping while stabbing the victims. Definitely not defensive wounds. MOO

 

[Iwondertoo]

Has it been suggested that he deliberately left that sheath (not realizing he had left DNA on it) because it does NOT match the knife he used, so is a mislead?

That's something that's crossed my mind too.

 

[MamaZA]

I'm more inclined to believe that he targeted the house because it was easy to access and because it has a history of quite a bit of social events so it could be assumed that collecting DNA would be complicated, based on his criminology background.
I also believe that he didn't have specific individuals targeted but was looking for maximum destruction but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the police reports associated with the area were initiated by him to ascertain what police response time is, which would give him a good idea of how long he could safely remain in the house. He seemed fairly efficient while he was in the house but he also left fairly abruptly so perhaps he timed himself?

In my opinion, that would better explain why he left two survivors and I've often wondered if the call for a disturbance at Band Field was just an odd coincidence or something he may have called in to tie up resources. Logically, it seems a bit too close for comfort but I daresay that he and I have different ideas of logic.

Hadn’t thought of that but I agree. I hope LE checks into calls made regarding the address. Also, if disturbance calls were made when BK was sitting out front or in the area of the home.

 

[esayer]

One last thought before bed. Since BK was in the area at least 12x before Nov 13, all at super early hours, What if he staked out the place every Saturday to figure out the house schedule and comings and goings? Exactly 12 weeks from Aug 21-Nov 13. He figured 4am was a safe time to attack since everyone usually was asleep then. But then got sidelined by Door Dash, Xana being up still, and Maddie and Kaylee being in the same bed. IMO he was after MM, she was the one he tried to message, and the rest were circumstantial, sadly. I figure it was MM since she was so active on Insta, and Ethan said he basically lived at Xana's, so it shouldn't have surprised BK he was there.

 

[drmrgrl]

The sheath I'll give you. But it's a free country. MOO.

Agreed. IMO. BK could have been in that neighborhood for innocuous reasons.

 

[drmrgrl]

The towel thing is really a thought-provoking issue, I agree. If they didn't find out that he brought a bunch of dirty laundry across the country to PA, that's another really weird thing he will have to explain.

I'm disappointed about the plumbing as well. I thought that would be a natural part of the protocol.

IMO, maybe BK snuck a load of laundry in at his apt after the murders and it’s still sitting in the dryer? Except for his socks. As we all know socks disappear in the dryer.

 

[drmrgrl]

The more we learn about BK, the creepier he gets.

Bryan Kohberger 'messaged victim on INSTAGRAM before killings'

A new report indicates that suspected University of Idaho murderer Bryan Kohberger was 'persistent' in sending Instagram messaged to one of the victims in the weeks leading up to the attacks.

www.dailymail.co.uk

IMO, it all depends on perspective too.

 

[Curiosa20]

I'm not convinced he did it.

Oh. So.. What’s your theory? Do you think he wanted to start an interactive role playing game with LE? Or was playing with someone else who set him up?
He seems to be deranged and is now calculating his next move, I’ll give you that.
He vacillated, lost track of what he was doing, high in the pleasure and release, that’s all. Became erratic. Sloppy is an apt description. But he is a trickster psychopath. IMO.

His frozen, blank eyed expression in the second police stop in Indiana and his inability to answer in a coherent way as to where they were headed, said alot to me. Going for Thai food? His brain/reasoning froze under pressure. That’s telling, IMO. He killed those innocents as the culmination of a 15 year, fantasy filled, survey inspired mission. IMO. He was so hyper and in brain freeze, in his costume, with his big knife, but he couldn’t even decide if he should park and then where to park his car! Then he drove around and around later that day dumping his gear, probably freaking out about the sheaf, maybe calculating the possible ramifications of the cams and cameras, alibis and excuses swirling.
He went to a routine appointment with his Doctor and charmed everyone, surely not presenting injuries.
He was probably excited for the first time ever, he had finally acted out his dream. He went back to see what was going on at the house!
He is a clear and present danger. He’s not a victim.

 

[drmrgrl]

I’m not sure if there have been studies done on the accuracy of comparing hair structure/microscopic appearance of samples obtained from animals. Unsure how that evidence would hold up in court. Obviously they’ve done studies in humans and it’s considered a good/strong association.

IMO, correct me If I am wrong, but hair or fur with a root is a good thing because mitochondrial dna can be extracted from such. If there is no root, only nuclear dna can be extracted, correct?

 

[Curiosa20]

I'm still having a hard time trying to figure out why not the other 2 then? If it was planned, then surely he knew 2 others occupied the house too. Why were they left untouched? In the beginning we (most of us, anyway) thought it could have been because their bedroom doors were locked. Now we know that wasn't the case. It appears BK made absolutely zero effort to go after either and both of them. MOO

I think that he was somehow offended by the victims. He may not have had a need to kill them.JMO

 

[jepop]

IMO, maybe BK snuck a load of laundry in at his apt after the murders and it’s still sitting in the dryer? Except for his socks. As we all know socks disappear in the dryer.

It was Seinfield that first alerted me to why socks go missing from dryers. Re on topic re BK's laundry, might be, unfortunately we aren't aware that he owns dryer at this point.

 

[IDK]

With the state police and the FBI assisting, surely surely surely they went after the plumbing. I mean, if we're all sitting here as amateurs clamoring for the plumbing, in the name of all that's holy, I will despair in nobody in three groups of professionals thinks to check the plumbing in BOTH houses.

Just a thought—do investigators ever get to a point that they feel they have so much evidence, a “slam dunk” as some have called it, that they overlook basic protocols because it’s “not needed” to prove their case?

I sure hope that isn’t so, but I think this has happened in other cases. * I don’t have a specific case to cite, that’s why It’s IMO.

 

[jepop]

I'm still having a hard time trying to figure out why not the other 2 then? If it was planned, then surely he knew 2 others occupied the house too. Why were they left untouched? In the beginning we (most of us, anyway) thought it could have been because their bedroom doors were locked. Now we know that wasn't the case. It appears BK made absolutely zero effort to go after either and both of them. MOO

Speculating
(a) They were not his targets in the house. This would be backed up by his choice of time,when he could be reasonably sure all would be asleep in bed. Pre planning made him feel confident he could murder his targets without being heard/seen by others. Things went awry on the night, if this was the plan....the drive bys from 3.30am and XK being up waiting for door dash would support this (bounced off PCA evidence).
(a) As above but MM and/or KG (edited from SK sorry) were his prime targets (IMO killed first based on my interp of PCA), he was seen by XK after coming down to floor two, so also targeted her and EC. No reason to go further, so left.
(c) All six were targeted but after the killing four, he deemed that unrealistic due to exhaustion and left.
(d) As above, but left due to unexpected struggle with X (who was not asleep and had seen him - surmised off PCA),so ... rattled by the unexpected.
(e) All six targeted but became alarmed and left due to fear that someone had or would soon call 911.
(f) All six were targeted , but lost confidence after discovering lights still on in house at 4am (bounced off PCA and speculations raised by door dash and lighting), so limited his killing to just four, so again rattled due to the unexpected.
There's probably even more scenarios I could imagine :-( MOO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Bryan seems like a disorganized, incompetent dolt who masquerades as a successful academic. It is almost inconceivable that he would fail to understand the basics of modern forensics. Either he has been framed, he was acting under the influence of drugs or he was in an extreme mental state of psychosis. Will an IQ test be conducted?

I think it’s simpler than that. He spent time fantasizing about mass murder. He thought he had a good plan to murder people he had no connection with other than the stalking. But he had no actual understanding of what it would be like to do this crime—how hard it is to leave no evidence in a knife crime, how easy it would be for good police work across jurisdictions to ID him, how his actions over several months (driving, phone) would create a pattern culminating in the murders. He was and is arrogant. Grandiose. And probably a stew of other deviant things.

The Pike County Ohio mass murder was also planned, down to buying murder shoes at Walmart. One killer left a bloody footprint and a co-conspirator kept the receipt for the shoes. They hacked FB accounts and kept copies. And do on. They had gotten away with lesser crimes for years, probably because they lived in a rural area where police resources are limited and their family was seemingly wealthy and had some power. Arrogant in many different ways. Grandiose.

In general I don’t think criminals are smart across the wide spectrum of intelligence. They can be devious and cunning, especially if they hone a particular craft over time. BK for a while was a pretty good stalker, for instance. But his grasp of murder was entirely theoretical. And perhaps it was shaped more by film images of murder and murderers than by his academic studies. I’m interested in what’s on the Fire Stick.

Edited to add MOO. Mooing all over.

 

[jepop]

I don't think that one found latent shoe print means there would have to be other shoe prints as you've suggested. We don't know enough about the print to speculate. It's easy to assume that this was a print of an entire shoe and imagine a person stepping into a puddle of blood only to leave tracks behind but the print as noted in the pca was detected during a second processing of the crime scene. And le used amino black to confirm that it was blood. In moo, it was not obvious to le and it's not unlikely they didn't find any other prints.

Yes, my thoughts exactly. I really feel like they would have included other obvious shoe prints (or at least one) in the PCA if there had been any. I think the inclusion of the 'latent' print is to show that the perpetrator did leave via infront DM's doorway and on through the slider and to support DM's account. So it's there to show how events unfolded and to support the rest of the evidence and timeline. If there were other bloody shoe prints and the PCA wanted to show that the person left via slider, wouldn't, for eg, a print in the kitchen (pointing southish) or a more bloody one near DMs door have been a better choice for inclusion? But then again, perhaps there were only bloody footprints upstairs or in X and E's room, perhaps the person wiped their shoes/removed booties in X/E hallway prior to exit and that has just been excluded as not needed for probable cause. SO IDK actually. MOO