ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 70

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DM's description doesn't tell me much, but it leads me to believe she did not recognize the intruder. That's the important part, moo.
But do we really know she did not recognize the intruder? I haven't followed many cases like a lot of you so don't know how that works when it comes to PCAs. Do they leave it at the physical description, period, but leave out something like "witness thought he looked like so and so", and instead keep that info to themselves? Honest question because I really don't know how that works. :)
 
DM's description doesn't tell me much, but it leads me to believe she did not recognize the intruder. That's the important part, moo.
It also helps pin down the timeline, and I think it's important for that reason too.

But do we really know she did not recognize the intruder? I haven't followed many cases like a lot of you so don't know how that works when it comes to PCAs. Do they leave it at the physical description, period, but leave out something like "witness thought he looked like so and so", and instead keep that info to themselves? Honest question because I really don't know how that works. :)
Personally, I think if she recognized him, they would have said that, so I don't think she told them more about his appearance than was outlined. The way the investigation is detailed in the PCA doesn't seem like they were going off of concrete tips about his identity. They found him through process of elimination. MOO
 
Does anyone think that a family member may have suspected BK involvement early on and contacted the FBI with their concerns?
IMO, I don't think that BK was on the family's radar. I think they have as much as said so (at least Kaylee's family). I can't imagine how they could have known about him unless one of the victims mentioned him (and by name) repeatedly messaging them on Instagram, for example.

FWIW, I don't think the Instagram rumors have been confirmed yet. Furthermore, it's very possible that they did not see the messages or, if they did, didn't think it was worth mentioning. Creeps are always sliding into girls' DMs -- he could have been one of many sending the girls messages on social media. All moo.
 
Some of the confusion is mine: I confused Latah with Kootenai :oops:.

Otherwise, ITA.

The topic of venue change came up here early and often, as it always does on nationally prominent cases. I have been attempting to point out how difficult it is to establish grounds for a court to presume that "a fair and impartial trial cannot be had in the county where the case is pending" - the only basis on which the court could transfer this matter to another county under Rule 21 other than convenience of the parties and witnesses (which doesn't apply).
Ahh - totally understand now … thanks.

And I not only agree but have thoroughly appreciated your thorough explanations/discussions.
 
I don't necessarily disagree. I was responding specifically to the line that bushy eyebrows makes the case. I think that's the weakest part of the PCA. MOO.

What line that says "bushy eyebrows makes the case" ?

I said:

Not even smart enough to cover his entire face at the murder scene. If the witness had just seen a tall lanky guy with a mask...well....there are a lot of tall lanky guys. Add-in bushy eyebrows and....well.....the devil is in the details.

Question:

And who looks at every detail?

Answer:

12 citizens sitting around a table after closing arguments.
 
Why would he say he was going to help? Was he talking to XK?

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It's not unheard of for killers to say something reassuring to a victim to throw them off their guard and quiet them down. Even if the victim doesn't believe them, it can give the attacker an extra second or two of them not reacting, out of confusion. MOO
 
That's a bit wierd, if it wasn't my house fine, but if my stuff was in the house, I wouldn't be happy.
But then again, was this before the new term started, and some different people also lived there.
In the UK uni term starts middle sept for Freshers week then the week after for the others
I never actually believed that none of the residents were there. Seems somewhat likely that those who were there were not of age and didn’t want an underage drinking ticket. So they just called the residents who were of age to avoid that situation. MOO
 
We do not have any public information that would lead to such a scenario AFAIK.

If you are suggesting one of the parents who have had AT as a public defender, I would say that seems extremely unlikely.

One of the hallmarks of this case is the level of stranger danger IMO. Motive appears to be hidden by that very fact.

JMO
Sorry but I wasn’t clear with my question. I was wondering whether a family member of BK might had contacted the FBI with concerns. They knew his entire history, mental status, issues, etc. and this was the first time he was away from his family home. When they heard about the murders and especially the white Elantra I wonder if warning bells went off in their heads.
 
Sorry but I wasn’t clear with my question. I was wondering whether a family member of BK might had contacted the FBI with concerns. They knew his entire history, mental status, issues, etc. and this was the first time he was away from his family home. When they heard about the murders and especially the white Elantra I wonder if warning bells went off in their heads.
I also misunderstood your question. This makes more sense.
 
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Sorry but I wasn’t clear with my question. I was wondering whether a family member of BK might had contacted the FBI with concerns. They knew his entire history, mental status, issues, etc. and this was the first time he was away from his family home. When they heard about the murders and especially the white Elantra I wonder if warning bells went off in their heads.

Interesting perspective.

I thought the only mental issues were from his high school days when he posted online about having a medical condition. Since then, he graduated from college and got into a graduate program so he looks successful.

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Yes, WingsOverTX, I agree.
I was thinking he had to sign/agree to formally accept AT as his PD since she had formerly represented the parents? I may well have misunderstood.
But, if that were the case, it occurred to me that based on what his parents have gleaned from so much public comment, they would have formed their own opinion on whether or not she would be the best choice. And I imagine they would share their recommendation with their son and influence his decision.
It made me realize the powerful ripple effect of MSM/social media. If I am wrong about his rights to reject her as his PD then, of course, my entire stream of thought is moot. (Which would not be unusual, lol!!! :)
In terms of his PD, the PD's office is going to decide that. The judge could force a selection and he could file a motion to remove his attorney. But everyone is going to be concerned about an appeal, so chances are he has signed some acknowledgment (or the judge will ask) that he does not view her past or, then, present representation as a conflict. No judge in their right mind wants to set up an appeal layup. Where it gets really hairy is if he wants to offer an alternative defense, say, using the family members history to suggest the killings were done by someone else for another reason.

Essentially, he has 13 options of death qualified lead attorneys and it gets even more narrow on appeal. There are only eight attorneys in Idaho qualified for death appeals. So, even if he were to hire is own counsel, it would be one of the 13 for trial and one of the eight for appeal

Edited to backup things stated as facts with this link on the number of death qualified attorneys in Idaho:
 
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Sorry but I wasn’t clear with my question. I was wondering whether a family member of BK might had contacted the FBI with concerns. They knew his entire history, mental status, issues, etc. and this was the first time he was away from his family home. When they heard about the murders and especially the white Elantra I wonder if warning bells went off in their heads.
Ah...his parents. I really can't imagine they would have. Even I don't think his known history is indicative of someone who acts out against others in this way.

I have not seen confirmation that this was the first time he lived away from home. Likely but unknown.

I do think distance prompted him to take his fantasies into the real world. From the questionnaire he planned to use for his thesis I think we can see hints of what was to come. But only in hindsight.

Studying criminology was a good cover if crimes like these were a long-term motivation. Fox in the henhouse, so to speak.


JMO
 
Exactly. Crazy people don't do things for NO reason, they do things for CRAZY reasons!

I think your hypothesis is well put and applies to serial killers and many of those who murder strangers for no apparent reason.
Thanks. I think we also see it in people who are not serial killers. There are a lot of people who participate in self-harm and high-risk behaviors who talk about how they were just feeling empty or numb. Most of those people do things that hurt themselves, but, sometimes, the blast radius is larger, wider and deeper
 
What line that says "bushy eyebrows makes the case" ?

I said:

Not even smart enough to cover his entire face at the murder scene. If the witness had just seen a tall lanky guy with a mask...well....there are a lot of tall lanky guys. Add-in bushy eyebrows and....well.....the devil is in the details.

Question:

And who looks at every detail?

Answer:

12 citizens sitting around a table after closing arguments.

That's how I took your post. It was the word "but" before "devil is in the details." To me, that "but" implies that while there are a lot of guys who are tall and lanky, there aren't a lot who are tall and lanky with bushy eyebrows. If I misunderstood you, I apologize for attributing it to that post, though I stand by what I said in general re: the description.
 
Is it possible that the road trip BK took with his father was planned so BK could dispose of the knife and/or clothes somewhere along the route?
Let’s hope so because IMO the longer anything with the victims blood or dna on it sat in that car, the more likely it got transferred to something else of BK’s.
 
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