ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022 ****Media Thread**** NO DISCUSSION #2

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NEW SEASON: The family of murdered student Kaylee Goncalves says they may have uncovered a connection between the suspect, their daughter, and Maddie Mogen. "48 Hours" correspondent Peter Van Sant reports Saturday, Sept. 16 at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.7H AGO

 
The family of murdered student Kaylee Goncalves says they may have uncovered a connection between the suspect, their daughter, and Maddie Mogen. @PeterVanSant reports, Saturday at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.


 
09/13/2023

Waiting to head into Latah County Court for the hearing on cameras in the courtroom. Stick with me on this feed for live updates from Moscow.

Court is now in session here in Moscow. Follow for updates: @KHQLocalNews


1 - Media colation is represented in court today.

2 - Media attorney, Wendy Olson, says the media has the right to intervene when there are access issues. Olson says cameras in the courtroom are a part of access. "It allows broader access for people to see first-hand what's happening in the courtroom.”

3 - Judge John Judge argues with Olson that having cameras in the courtroom may not fall under First Amendment rights. Olson argues back and says media should have broader access in the courtroom because there is a greater need for the public to see what's happening.

4 - Judge Judge recalling ID Supreme Court Case regarding the press' right to intervene. Says it is somewhat limited. Judge doesn't believe the media is an interested party in this case.

5 - Judge Judge denied the motion to intervene. We're now listening to arguments about having cameras in the courtroom. Defense is first.

6 - Defense says they don't want to turn this case into TV drama. They claim photographers in the courtroom are doing well, but editors are tampering with the video. They want cameras out altogether.

7 - Defense says removing cameras would take out sensationalism in the case. They also argued about where the camera is positioned because the "cameras are in direct view of their computer screens.”

8 - Judge suggests installing a camera in the back of the courtroom may please everyone. Defense somewhat agreed. They compared it to older CSPAN coverage.

9 - The State argues they want to protect graphic images and vulnerable witnesses from exposure.

10 - Olson, representing the Media Coalition, argues journalists covering this case are experienced and understand appropriate boundaries.

11 - Olson also says CourtTV has experience working with the courts and appropriately taping the hearings in a fair manner.

12 - Judge Judge mentioned the OJ Simpson trial and called it a "circus," referencing the media coverage.

13 - Judge Judge says he's been very accommodating and questions whether he can trust where the film goes and how it's "manipulated.”

14 - Judge Judge wishes "everybody has a little more respect for what's happening here.”

15 - Olson argues that it's more important today to have cameras in the courtroom to show the judicial process, so there isn't misinformation spread afterward.

16 - Olson argues this is important to document for the community and thousands of people affected by this case.

17 - Olson said, "the public and this community will be best served if cameras in the courtroom."

18 - Defense does concede that the public plays a big role in making sure the attorneys do their jobs well.

19 - Judge Judge said coverage on cases can tilt opinion.

20 - Judge Judge did not make a decision today on cameras in the courtroom. Court has been adjourned.

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09/13/2023

Just went through security and sat down in the courtroom. Kohberger hearing expected to start at 2pmPT. Less crowded today. Only a handful of media.

Bryan Kohberger just walked into courtroom. He is wearing a suit jacket with a green tie. Sitting between his lawyers. Court starting now.

Lawyers for Kohberger, the prosecution, and attorneys for the media coalition are here.

The judge is questioning whether the media has the right to intervene about the camera issue at this point in the Kohberger case.

Attorney representing media coalition is arguing to the judge that the media does have the right to intervene when first amendment and access issues come up.

Attorney representing media coalition says this is an "access" issue -- that people have the right to see what is happening in the Kohberger courtroom. She says people should not have to travel to the courtroom to see what is happening inside.

There is an increasing need for people to see for themselves what is going on inside courtrooms in this country, attorney representing the media coalition at Kohberger hearing says.

Judge is still questioning whether the media has the right to "intervene" in this.

Judge says in the Daybell case the media was characterized as "interested" parties. But he is questioning whether the media can "intervene" in the camera issue at this point in the Kohberger case.

Judge says media cannot be "intervenors" at this point when it comes to question of cameras in Kohberger courtroom. But he says he will still consider the media's argument.

Kohberger defense says they are concerned cameras in the courtroom will turn the case into a spectacle -- and this will turn more into a tv show drama.

Kohberger defense says even though the media here is doing their job, people on social media still take the images and manipulate them.

Kohberger defense says they do not like where the camera is placed in the courtroom. They feel like there is a camera right behind them. If the court doesn't remove the cameras, then defense wants the cameras in a different location.

Kohberger judge brings up an interesting example -- says there are cameras on the House floor on Cspan. Maybe putting a camera at the back of the courtroom out of the way is better, he says.

Kohberger prosecution says media plays an important role in court process. They want to protect vulnerable witnesses/graphic evidence. They say the safest and best way to address concerns is prohibit cameras in courtroom, or to keep cameras out during certain testimony/evidence.

Media coalition lawyer is pushing for "pool" camera policy. One camera in Kohberger courtroom -- and then the video is given out to all media.
That is the way they are doing it now.

Kohberger judge says the media has "pushed the envelope.”

Media coalition lawyer tells judge photographers in the courtroom are getting wider shots. They can't control who later zooms in on the photos to show Kohberger.

Kohberger judge says he questions whether cameras in the coutroom is a dignified way to have a trial. He brings up OJ Simpson. "If anyone watched that case, it was a circus," he says.

Kohberger judge says he is asking the media to back off a little bit. He says he questions whether he can really trust the media to do the right thing. He says it's not the camera people, it's where the video goes and how commentators talk about it.

"It's not the same media it is now as it was 10 years ago with social media," Kohberger judge says. He wishes everyone had more respect for what is happening here. Says it's not entertainment, it is a tragic issue.

Media coalition lawyer argues that having cameras in the courtroom is the only way to have a real source of what happened. No cameras makes it easier for bad information to go out. If there is no actual footage of trial, responsible consumers have nowhere to go.

"The answer is more sunshine, not less," attorney representing media coalition at Kohberger hearing told judge.

If you want to avoid spectacle, take away the cameras outside the courtroom, not the camera inside -- media coalition lawyer tells Kohberger judge.

Kohberger judge says he is sending out a message to the media to be respectful, peaceful, and decent.

Kohberger defense is back up. Says they are not trying to throw the media out. They are just talking about the cameras.

Kohberger judge says this camera issue is interesting and powerful. Says a lot of balancing will go into his consideration.

Kohberger judge says other trials with cameras have "gotten out of control." "They spun out of control in my opinion."

Kohberger judge says he will try to do the right thing for the public and the parties. No decision today on cameras in the courtroom. Court is adjourned.

https://twitter.com/BrianEntin
 
09/13/2023

Just went through security and sat down in the courtroom. Kohberger hearing expected to start at 2pmPT. Less crowded today. Only a handful of media.

Bryan Kohberger just walked into courtroom. He is wearing a suit jacket with a green tie. Sitting between his lawyers. Court starting now.

Lawyers for Kohberger, the prosecution, and attorneys for the media coalition are here.

The judge is questioning whether the media has the right to intervene about the camera issue at this point in the Kohberger case.

Attorney representing media coalition is arguing to the judge that the media does have the right to intervene when first amendment and access issues come up.

Attorney representing media coalition says this is an "access" issue -- that people have the right to see what is happening in the Kohberger courtroom. She says people should not have to travel to the courtroom to see what is happening inside.

There is an increasing need for people to see for themselves what is going on inside courtrooms in this country, attorney representing the media coalition at Kohberger hearing says.

Judge is still questioning whether the media has the right to "intervene" in this.

Judge says in the Daybell case the media was characterized as "interested" parties. But he is questioning whether the media can "intervene" in the camera issue at this point in the Kohberger case.

Judge says media cannot be "intervenors" at this point when it comes to question of cameras in Kohberger courtroom. But he says he will still consider the media's argument.

Kohberger defense says they are concerned cameras in the courtroom will turn the case into a spectacle -- and this will turn more into a tv show drama.

Kohberger defense says even though the media here is doing their job, people on social media still take the images and manipulate them.

Kohberger defense says they do not like where the camera is placed in the courtroom. They feel like there is a camera right behind them. If the court doesn't remove the cameras, then defense wants the cameras in a different location.

Kohberger judge brings up an interesting example -- says there are cameras on the House floor on Cspan. Maybe putting a camera at the back of the courtroom out of the way is better, he says.

Kohberger prosecution says media plays an important role in court process. They want to protect vulnerable witnesses/graphic evidence. They say the safest and best way to address concerns is prohibit cameras in courtroom, or to keep cameras out during certain testimony/evidence.

Media coalition lawyer is pushing for "pool" camera policy. One camera in Kohberger courtroom -- and then the video is given out to all media.
That is the way they are doing it now.

Kohberger judge says the media has "pushed the envelope.”

Media coalition lawyer tells judge photographers in the courtroom are getting wider shots. They can't control who later zooms in on the photos to show Kohberger.

Kohberger judge says he questions whether cameras in the coutroom is a dignified way to have a trial. He brings up OJ Simpson. "If anyone watched that case, it was a circus," he says.

Kohberger judge says he is asking the media to back off a little bit. He says he questions whether he can really trust the media to do the right thing. He says it's not the camera people, it's where the video goes and how commentators talk about it.

"It's not the same media it is now as it was 10 years ago with social media," Kohberger judge says. He wishes everyone had more respect for what is happening here. Says it's not entertainment, it is a tragic issue.

Media coalition lawyer argues that having cameras in the courtroom is the only way to have a real source of what happened. No cameras makes it easier for bad information to go out. If there is no actual footage of trial, responsible consumers have nowhere to go.

"The answer is more sunshine, not less," attorney representing media coalition at Kohberger hearing told judge.

If you want to avoid spectacle, take away the cameras outside the courtroom, not the camera inside -- media coalition lawyer tells Kohberger judge.

Kohberger judge says he is sending out a message to the media to be respectful, peaceful, and decent.

Kohberger defense is back up. Says they are not trying to throw the media out. They are just talking about the cameras.

Kohberger judge says this camera issue is interesting and powerful. Says a lot of balancing will go into his consideration.

Kohberger judge says other trials with cameras have "gotten out of control." "They spun out of control in my opinion."

Kohberger judge says he will try to do the right thing for the public and the parties. No decision today on cameras in the courtroom. Court is adjourned.

https://twitter.com/BrianEntin
Doesn't look very promising to me.
 
Video is approximately 42 minutes.


‘Out of Control’: Bryan Kohberger’s Defense Fights Courtroom Cameras, Judge Needs Time To Rule​

Sep 13, 2023

A hearing was held Wednesday to discuss whether or not cameras will or will not be allowed inside the courtroom during any and all proceedings in the quadruple murder trial against Bryan Kohberger. The Washington State PhD student is accused of brutally stabbing four University of Idaho students to death in November 2022. His attorney believes cameras in courtrooms have “gotten out of control.” The judge ended the hearing by stating he will try to do the right thing for both the public and the parties — and will rule on a decision at a later date.
 
Wendy Olson, the attorney representing a coalition of news media groups covering the case including The Associated Press, said the news organizations have carefully followed the judge's orders about photos and videos in the courtroom. Video and photo coverage of the court proceedings dramatically increase public access and understanding about the case, she said, and Idaho's rules about how cameras can be used in court already include tools to protect the right to a fair trial.

But 2nd District Judge John Judge appeared skeptical of that claim. The criminal case isn't entertainment - it's a tragedy, he said.


Thursday, September 14, 2023 11:08AM
 
New article as of today. Sounds like this will all be part of the new 48 Hours episode.


Father of Kaylee Goncalves, one of four murdered University of Idaho students, says there is evidence his daughter fought back

Steve Goncalves says, according to the coroner, the first victim was Mogen. Both Mogen and Goncalves were sleeping in the same bed in a room on the third floor of the house. After killing Mogen, the assailant then went on to kill Kaylee, Steve Goncalves said.

"There's evidence to show that she awakened and tried to get out of that situation," says Goncalves, "she was assaulted and stabbed."

Kristi Goncalves explains her daughter had several fatal wounds and that the way the bedroom was set up, made it difficult to escape. "The bed was up against the wall. The headboard was touching the wall and the left side of the bed was touching the wall. And we believe that Maddie was on the outside and Kaylee was on the inside," she says. "The way the bed was set up … she was trapped." Kristi Goncalves believes the assailant was not expecting to find the two best friends together in the same bed. " I do think that his plan went awry. I do think that, you know, he intended to kill one and killed four."
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The Goncalves' also think they may have found a possible connection, through Instagram, between Bryan Kohberger, their daughter, and Maddie Mogen. They believe they found Kohberger's Instagram account and he had been following Kaylee's and Maddie's Instagrams. "From our investigation of the account, it appeared to be the real Bryan Kohberger account," says Kristi Goncalves.



SEPTEMBER 14, 2023 / 8:37 AM / CBS NEWS


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