ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022

[salander01]

A Ka bar knife or something similar could have been used. If their throats were cut/stabbed, the blood would have silenced them and they would have bled out quickly. I wonder if there was a Greek event Sat and they all attended? If they were sleeping how did the Perp know which rooms were theirs? Were the doors unlocked? 6 bedrooms so maybe didn’t lock exterior doors? Here’s an image of a Ka knife.
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There was a home football game on November 12th in Moscow. Football tends to be a big event up here, both schools have tailgating activities that tend to go on before and after the game has ended. Greek life also tends to host events on gamedays, whether they attend the game or not. Based on social media I think that we can conclude the victims had a social gathering together on Saturday. We cannot account for their attendance at the game nor can we conclude their whereabouts after the game. <modsnip - twitch video not allowed to be linked>

 

[Sunny Day]

The picture of the blood dripping outside looks like it could have pooled on the floor by an exterior wall and then ran out and down the foundation. I looked at the Zillow listing and while the interior has obviously been completely updated, I couldn't find any info on how old the house is. The foundation looks like it could be an older house, and a lot of old houses have leaks around the foundation. Just my speculation.

 

[vls12345]

I am angry on behalf of the students and community that LE keeps saying it's not dangerous and have not held a press conference, especially if **any** of the Daily Mail info is correct re: the severity of the scene and the photo.

I feel like LE has been totally negligent. They haven't named a perp, don't have a perp in custody, seemingly don't know where the perp is, nor do they know if it was one or more perps. It seems like four young, healthy students were brutally murdered and LE is like it's fine, everyone else is safe.

I am beyond shocked.

MOO.

 

[technicallymissing]

where did you hear he was found on a separate floor? I watched that video and saw on DailyMail he was found on second floor, but didn’t see any indication about the floors the others were found on.

Upon double-checking I haven't seen it confirmed that Ethan was 100% on a separate floor from the others. The weird phrasing from the Daily Mail tripped me up:
One of the victims – understood to be 20-year-old Ethan Chapin, of Conway, Washington – was discovered on the floor on the second level of the three-story home.

Good catch, thank you (unfortunately too late for me to edit my original post )

 

[MinnyPin]

I am angry on behalf of the students and community that LE keeps saying it's not dangerous and have not held a press conference, especially if **any** of the Daily Mail info is correct re: the severity of the scene and the photo.

I feel like LE has been totally negligent. They haven't named a perp, don't have a perp in custody, seemingly don't know where the perp is, nor do they know if it was one or more perps. It seems like four young, healthy students were brutally murdered and LE is like it's fine, everyone else is safe.

I am beyond shocked.

MOO.

THIS!!!! I am very unnerved that more advice of precaution, extra patrols, etc has not been mentioned. This is stuff of nightmares.

 

[Ed Teach]

I think the reason LE is saying the public is not in danger is because they have their perp under 24/7 surveillance. It's going to be an ex bf. MOO based on the…..<modsnip> social media of one of the girls. Targeted one victim and ended up killing her friends too. Surprised them caught them off guard. Suspect had a weapon victims did not. Pure speculation on my part.

 

[ifindedout]

I wondered how well insulated the home is and whether there is some rot of the sill plate that rests on the foundation. The house looks like it was built in the 1970s. If the home has traditional wood floors any type of moisture could leak through and drip down the side of the foundation.

RSBM
I think you are right on the age. Historic Aerials shows a structure there in the 1981 aerial, and in the 1976 and 1977 "topos" which are really aerials to my great surprise.
46.72191906094073, -117.01083594475874 are the coordinates, plug them into HA here:

Historic Aerials: Viewer

www.historicaerials.com

It was only after 1981 when the roof acquired a silver coating, probably when a new roof was installed. A one-car garage was in front of the house until some time after 2007, according to Google SV.

 

[Trino]

Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.

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Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson said he understands that the police claims that the public isn’t at imminent risk seems contradictory to the facts that have been released so far about the killings.

“Obviously, there’s no way police can say that there’s no risk, but what they’re seeing indicates that there’s not a risk that this person will randomly attack people,” Thompson said, noting that it’s also not yet clear if it was one attacker or more.

“I don’t think they’re going to foreclose the possibility that it could be one or more people, but right now they don’t know who is responsible,” Thompson said.

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large

Police say the killer or killers who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remains at large, and the violence has prompted many students to leave town.

apnews.com

Ridiculous to state there's not a risk this person will randomly attack. There is absolutely no way to know what such a person will do. This person has violently killed FOUR people. IMO someone with a deranged mind like this could do anything.

 

[MassGuy]

They know the stakes here, and I highly doubt they're baselessly trying to allay the public's fear, especially when you're talking about a bunch of college kids.

They'd better know something we don't know, as it would be incredibly reckless otherwise.

I suspect we'll hear something big tomorrow.

 

[otto]

Of course, I had nights in my college years when I was up until 3-4 AM, especially on a weekend, but I think it's very possible they were asleep when murdered, which could explain the neighbors not hearing screams or anything like that. Also, since a gun was not used, IMO it would be tough to murder 4 alert, alive young adults with a sharp object. Once one was stabbed, I would think at least one of them would be able to turn and run and get out of there. I understand flight, fight, freeze, but I would think at least one would not freeze and would be able to escape. Just my opinion of course. And if the upper floors were particularly bloody, that would lead me to believe the bedrooms may have been the crime scenes.

Absolutely horrifying. My goodness. Those young lives cut way too short.

They were a group of close friends. If one was slashed by an intruder with a sharp edged object; not mortally, the others would help their friend. They wouldn't run and leave their friend with a violent intruder. One victim was on one floor, three victims were one floor up?

Maybe he went downstairs to see what was going on, and he was the first victim. The other three had no escape.

 

[Retired_grumpy_bastard]

First of all, it pains me to hear about four young lives taken. They sound like very bright young people, with promising futures. I just hate this. I can’t imagine the pain their families feel.

One of the first things to cross my mind was the Chi Omega house at the University of Florida. If you don’t know, Ted Bundy did that.

Secondly, serial killer Danny Rollins, at the University of Florida, once again, came to mind. Rollins also killed a three members of a family, in his hometown of Shreveport, Louisiana. Both Bundy and Rollins were executed, but those two cases came to mind, when I heard about this.

The police say they don’t believe there’s a threat to the general public. That’s usually indicative on a certain thing, that I’m not going to mention here. It was also stated that no drugs were present.

I have a lot of questions. Did somebody recently go through a breakup? Was there any sign of forced entry? Did the killer/killers just walk through an unlocked door or crawl through a window? Who had keys to that property? Were the locks changed when the previous tenant left? Did an ex boyfriend have a key? Who did the victims call/text during the last few weeks? I have other questions as well, but this isn’t the time or the place for them.

 

[Hmadeit]

I can not wrap my head around how this person walked in and silently killed 4 people with a knife without anyone waking up. Maybe he went into each room one by one, smothered them in their sleep with a pillow while stabbing them to death?? Seems like something that would take high level of skill/planning. Rip to those who lost their lives and condolences to the familes.

 

[Lilibet]

They know the stakes here, and I highly doubt they're baselessly trying to allay the public's fear, especially when you're talking about a bunch of college kids.

They'd better know something we don't know, as it would be incredibly reckless otherwise.

I suspect we'll hear something big tomorrow.

I suspect LE does know something we don’t know that indicates this was a targeted attack. I believe either the mayor or LE used the term “unique” to describe it, which I took to mean “one of a kind” or “not going to be repeated.”

When there is a clear and present danger to a community, such as the prisoners who escaped from Dannemora Prison in NY in 2015, LE issues definite warnings. But in this case the suspect was said not to pose a threat to the rest of the school community. The shelter in place was lifted within an hour. I don’t think LE is going to endanger a bunch of college kids just to avoid a panic. But everyone is certainly free to leave town or be extra careful if that makes them feel better. I would take extra precautions myself.

I agree that it’s likely we will hear much more tomorrow, perhaps after the autopsies.
JMO

 

[otto]

First of all, it pains me to hear about four young lives taken. They sound like very bright young people, with promising futures. I just hate this. I can’t imagine the pain their families feel.

One of the first things to cross my mind was the Chi Omega house at the University of Florida. If you don’t know, Ted Bundy did that.

Secondly, serial killer Danny Rollins, at the University of Florida, once again, came to mind. Rollins also killed a three members of a family, in his hometown of Shreveport, Louisiana. Both Bundy and Rollins were executed, but those two cases came to mind, when I heard about this.

The police say they don’t believe there’s a threat to the general public. That’s usually indicative on a certain thing, that I’m not going to mention here. It was also stated that no drugs were present.

I have a lot of questions. Did somebody recently go through a breakup? Was there any sign of forced entry? Did the killer/killers just walk through an unlocked door or crawl through a window? Who had keys to that property? Were the locks changed when the previous tenant left? Did an ex boyfriend have a key? Who did the victims call/text during the last few weeks? I have other questions as well, but this isn’t the time or the place for them.

My understanding is that the male was on one floor, another three victims were one floor up. It's possible that the male opened the door, or heard a sound and went to investigate. He seems to be closest to the door.

Does anyone have the map link handy?

 

[Hmadeit]

My understanding is that the male was on one floor, another three victims were one floor up. It's possible that the male opened the door, or heard a sound and went to investigate. He seems to be closest to the door.

Does anyone have the map link handy?

My guess is they were all sleeping, the couple in the room upstairs, other 2 in each of their rooms downstairs. He murdered the first 2 downstairs, and then approached the 3rd room. Probably had a struggle since there were 2 people he had to kill, and the male was trying to escape but died. Just my amateur theory.

 

[airyberry]

I was curious how far this house was from Greek Row- turns out very close. IMO, from what I've experienced myself and what my friends in Greek life have told me about sister and brother houses etc, people in Greek life don't really associate with people who aren't a part of it. It's something that kinda takes over your life. If they knew their killer like we all suspect, it's very likely they all know each other from Greek life, especially given the proximity to the houses, where a lot of things happen and get buried, historically speaking. If this is the case, they'll probably belong to the same symbols if not sister/brother houses they associate with. Alternatively, could be someone they hazed or an ex member or something like that seeking revenge, perhaps a person they turned down romantically. I would not be surprised if this is the common link between the killer and all of the victims.

 

[Lilibet]

Four students were killed, two of them staying in one bedroom. So that leaves three other bedrooms in this six bedroom house where no one was killed. If this was a targeted attack as LE has indicated, it almost seems that the attacker went from room to room killing until he found who he was looking for. If he knew exactly where to go, he would have gone there right away, I would think.

Do we have a link that says that Ethan was killed on a different floor from the other three? I keep seeing that said but I must have missed where it came from.

 

[Retired_grumpy_bastard]

You can see pics of the house, on Zillow. 1122 King, Moscow, Idaho.

1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 | Zillow

1122 King Rd, Moscow ID, is a Single Family home that contains 3120 sq ft.It contains 6 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $490,600, which has increased by $9,952 in the last 30 days.The Rent Zestimate for this Single Family is $3,228/mo, which has increased by...

www.zillow.com

 

[Imby001]

Thinking about this more, is it really possible that blood would be leaking out of the house like that? I’d imagine a home in Idaho would be quite insulated. Wondering if it’s just something else and DailyMail is being sensational.

This will be unpopular, but looked to me theres a long rusty pipe the length of the wall and an area may have been dripping for a long while. Never heard of such a thing on a regular house unless they can practically see to the outside while in. Imo

 

[Lilibet]

You can see pics of the house, on Zillow. 1122 King, Moscow, Idaho.

1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 | Zillow

1122 King Rd, Moscow ID, is a Single Family home that contains 3120 sq ft.It contains 6 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $490,600, which has increased by $9,952 in the last 30 days.The Rent Zestimate for this Single Family is $3,228/mo, which has increased by...

www.zillow.com

I notice that the Zillow listing says “no pets allowed.” Earlier, someone said Kaylee had a dog (shown on Tik Tok?). Perhaps the dog wasn’t staying there and didn’t raise an alarm. Could this be something the attacker knew?