ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow #4

[AgithaBoots]

What’s confusing about it? Suggestion is that they were on the 1st floor. We know there is an exit from the 1st floor directly to the street.

If they were going out for breakfast and/or knew their housemates were partying the night before and likely still asleep then they would have no reason to go upstairs or into their housemates rooms.

I don’t see them leaving the house on the morning seeing nothing suspicious at all.

Well first thing when i get up i go to the kitchen and make a cup of coffee!
Second, do both these girls have a tether attached? I mean if one doesnt drink coffee maybe the other does but for them both to get up and just wander off without entering the kitchen for a drink or water ? I dont know, in my opinion that just sounds strange. And firstly was believing they were on third floor and had to walk through crime area to leave. But still if on first floor i would think they would go up to main floor (imo) either way this is a terrible crime and hoping that LE can find whoever did this so they can never do it again!

 

[diggndeeperstill]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594059283746160641

Someone with skills go calculate that wheelbase! Identify those tires!

Did nobody wonder about these before now?

 

[Finders_Keepers]

They are definitely taking photos of tire tracks. You don’t do that unless you have at least some assumption that either the journey home is relevant or a vehicle that was in the vicinity of the crime scene is relevant.

And wild speculation, tire skid marks are not consistent with a well planned, organised and confident killer.

 

[Oregonmama]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594089803548872704

Tomorrow there is a planned press conference. The time and location is still being determined. Regardless
@kxly4news
will have it live on our website and on KXLY+!

I wonder if this the prosecutor's first time at the scene and if its standard procedure but I'm hoping it could mean that they have a sp(s) in mind. JMO

 

[TheProblemWeAllLiveWith]

A complete dumpster fire. I think they were totally in over their heads (no offense to them because these crimes don’t happen very often) and since we have half of the FBI there and their behavioral unit (which is also another sign it’s not a clear case) — things will hopefully be tightening up a bit.

My other theory about why they didn’t think there was a danger at first was because they thought, in my opinion, it was probably a murder-suicide. And then they never found the weapon. And then they realized everyone was killed the same way. And then, by that time they were really late to the investigation.

DM apparently had the food truck video a day before LE, as confirmed by the owner. Kinda makes you sick.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Can anyone from the US explain gun laws/access to guns in the state of Idaho. IMO the fact the perp(s) used a knife instead of a gun, in a country where guns are widely accessible, is interesting. A gun with a silencer (even an improvised one) would be less gruesome, quicker, and easier to commit four murders.

It potentially suggests the perp(s) have a fascination with violence and gore and possibly that they were younger than the legal age to own a gun, so instead opted for a large knife, which I assume is much easier to get your hands on. Either way I think this looks like an act of opportunity IMO, but likely someone who is or was familiar with the area as a student long ago, possibly regularly looks through dorm windows, a peeping tom of sorts, broken into homes before and had escalating behaviour.

Note: The reason I say perp(s) is because there may have been more than one involved, with one taking each floor and then leaving together, as others have pointed out four victims in such a short space of time is a lot and as there was no known sexual motive, which would typically be committed alone with the victim. There is also the incel angle, which has a loose sexual motive of wanting to kill pretty girls and possibly men who are associated with them.

I agree with most of what you said. Ted Bundy and Danny Rolling used knives. For years, we didn't know that Danny Rolling had been a peeping Tom and had raped each of the women. The police keep a lot of info back and with good reason. But I do agree with you that the knife adds another level of depravity. I wish the perp had been hit by a bus on the way to the students homes (every one of the perps). Student life was so carefree and fun as well as academic and it's a tragic shame that these young women and men weren't allowed the rest of their lives.

 

[Oregonmama]

They are definitely taking photos of tire tracks. You don’t do that unless you have at least some assumption that either the journey home is relevant or a vehicle that was in the vicinity of the crime scene is relevant.

And wild speculation, tire skid marks are not consistent with a well planned, organised and confident killer.

Are you thinking that a sexual assault was the sp(s) first choice but was met with resistance and sp killed the victim and the 3 other students instead ? A crime of opportunity for something that went beyond their original thoughts? JMO

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I apologize if it’s already been mentioned but it also makes me feel like maybe the girls had a regular Uber driver that had said they could call at any time and he gave a personal number. Maybe offered to give them a discount on rides if it didn’t go through Uber directly. They could’ve called and thought “hey this is our Uber driver” but the rides are not ever registered.

 

[elmomom]

Hmmmm

Exactly what I said, down to the number of M’s.

 

[tokyorose]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594059283746160641

Are those tire tracks on the road behind the house ? If so I am becoming more suspicious of whomever dropped Kaylee and Madison off at home.

 

[layer]

If it’s a female perp, I’ll gladly eat my shoe.

Don't eat your shoe! I'm almost positive it will turn out to be a male, but you never know...

 

[Garshin]

From the start I didn't think the two surviving roommates were directly involved and after creating the floorplan I can see why they possibly didn't hear anything. If the killer took the path in the attached image (the red line) they didn't even walk on the floor above either of their rooms. Not to mention, Bedroom #1 is right next to where the utility closet with the furnace is located so it's conceivable that the furnace was making noise assuming it was cold at the time. Also Bedroom #2 is very far from the assumed bedrooms of the victims. This also assumes that E+X were in Bedroom#3, M in Bedroom #5 and K in Bedroom #6 with Bedroom #4 being unoccupied. I also don't think the front door and lowest floor were involved at all. To me the killer was in less of the house then I initially imagined and probably for a shorter period of time as well. Whether this means he knew the layout of the house, I have no idea. All IMO of course.

 

[mysteryfan96]

What does the presence of a prosecutor signal?

I’m no expert on this but if a prosector has been assigned and is touring the crime scene does that not insinuate that charges are at least potentially imminent?

Might be jumping the gun but what is he looking at if no potential that someone is on the verge of being prosecuted?

Prosecutors can visit crime scenes for multiple reasons, but it’s almost always a while after the crime has been committed and not when it’s fresh (as is the case here).

The prosecutor’s presence COULD mean charges are forthcoming, but not necessarily. The prosecutor most often visits a crime scene in preparation for eventual charges and a trial in order to get an up close and personal feeling and memory of the crime scene itself (as opposed to just relying on photos). Also, sometimes when investigators find something useful or perhaps incriminating at a crime scene, the prosecutor will visit to help determine just how useful or convincing that piece of evidence would be to convict someone. Maybe it’s the width of a door, or the scratch marks down a wall, or something of that nature that points towards the size of a possible suspect or just the proof of their presence at the scene. Kind of “we found this… can you use it and will it hold up in court?” kind of thing.

It may or may not be the development we’re all hoping for, but it’s definitely not a bad thing.

 

[DizzyB]

Welp something’s up.

 

[tokyorose]

Someone with skills go calculate that wheelbase! Identify those tires!

Did nobody wonder about these before now?

no kidding... are they behind or in front of the house? I am going to put this out there that LE believes the driver is the perp. Dropped off girls, drove around back, parked, murdered the 4 and then took off at a high rate of speed..I also think he is not in custody, and is long gone out of Idaho. Tomorrow's presser will be a plea from the public to find him with a description. MOO.

 

[Oregonmama]

I wonder if the sp(s) had one crime in mind but it spiraled out of control and killed potential witnesses that perhaps confronted the sp(s). I was getting a thought that perhaps one or 2 of the girls was a target for sexual assault but the event turned into a gruesome crime that wasn't planned. JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

There was an interview with the prosecutor a couple of days ago (or maybe one day ago in the US, the 18th. It is now the 20th in Aus.)


"Latah County prosecuting attorney Bill Thompson addresses the status of the police investigation into the University of Idaho murder case. He says the suspect is still at large, asserts that the crime was likely a targeted attack and explains that while police know who made the 911 call they are still trying to figure out why there was such a delay in contacting authorities."

 

[YankeeJAD]

In neighboring town Pullman, their university had a parent's weekend during this time. It was also the anniversary of an alcohol poisoning death of a fellow student, so the town of Pullman's tradition is that nobody publicly drinks/parties that weekend to show respect. So people were coming in from out of town (parents, uncles, brothers, cousins) to go to nearby Moscow and hit the bars.
Visitor Center Fall Family Weekend Open House | Events | Washington State University (wsu.edu)
I realize nobody's really discussed this yet, and I was surprised, so I went to find the link to prove the date.
'60 Minutes' reports Sunday on WSU fraternity hazing death of Sam Martinez | The Spokesman-Review

I had made a post about this back a few threads ago. I have children at WSU and we were out there for parents weekend. One of my kids is involved in Greek life. While there were no official sanctioned events allowed on Greek row due to the anniversary of Sam Martinez’s death, there was still plenty of activity.

There are many ”live outs” both for frats and sororities. And, I would say, they were pretty much all having parties. I spent pretty much all of Saturday between various locations on and near Greek row and the football stadium.

Lots of WSU parents end up at hotels in Moscow since lodging is so limited in Pullman and books up many months in advance. And so does the lodging on Moscow. A fair number of parents even end up staying in Lewiston. There are also a lot of people that come in RVs and campers. We drove by Beasley and the parking lot was full of campers. From my understanding (from being in a WSU parent FB group) these are all reserved and paid for spots that needed to be booked months ago, so not like a random person could have easily snagged a spot.

I think most people there for WSU parents weekend want to be in Pullman and don’t really go to the bars in Moscow. I’ll also say that in my limited experience, it’s fairly hard to get Ubers in Pullman. We live in a large city and my kids have been Uber-ing since they were teens. They never use it in Pullman and say it‘s unreliable. Oldest has flown into Moscow/Pullman and always arranges a friend to pick him up since even taxis are notorious for not showing up even if they‘ve been booked.

 

[vls12345]

Well first thing when i get up i go to the kitchen and make a cup of coffee!
Second, do both these girls have a tether attached? I mean if one doesnt drink coffee maybe the other does but for them both to get up and just wander off without entering the kitchen for a drink or water ? I dont know, in my opinion that just sounds strange. And firstly was believing they were on third floor and had to walk through crime area to leave. But still if on first floor i would think they would go up to main floor (imo) either way this is a terrible crime and hoping that LE can find whoever did this so they can never do it again!

In one of Kaylee's videos or photos (prob on her Instagram), it looked like she had a single serve/k-cup type coffee maker in the corner of her room.

Maybe other roommates had a similar set-up?

MOO.

 

[Finders_Keepers]

Are you thinking that a sexual assault was the sp(s) first choice but was met with resistance and sp killed the victim and the 3 other students instead ? A crime of opportunity for something that went beyond their original thoughts? JMO

No idea on MO. My only thought is as mentioned earlier the car journey is key to the case.

Already for two prior reasons. Who gave them a lift - Supposedly very quickly after the food truck. If not a taxi service it doesn’t align with a stranger. But if a taxi service or acquaintance you assume LE would have records of the contact from law enforcement.

Secondly have they come forward. If not that would be a major red flag.

I don’t for one moment believe that LE don’t know the car they travelled home in that night. And reading between the lines the tire track photos and prosecutor visiting the crime scene makes me think we might see a suspect charged imminently.

It doesn’t add up that the two females would have entered a strangers car in a matter of minutes after leaving the food truck. I’m convinced it must be a traceable driver service or individual known to them.