ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 7

[amymarie]

I'm not sure if the sister's statement about letting the dog out is fact, or based on what she knew of their regular routine. And Imo, the dog may have been docile towards strangers if it was used to a lot of people coming and going. The dog may have been taught that everyone is their friend and not to bark or be aggressive. Imo.

If a stranger comes to my door, my dogs would run outside and away if he/she let them.

So many post to get through here, but if the police said that multiple people came to the house and we’re speaking to 911, doesn’t that make people think that the killer had locked the doors to the bedroom before he left? That the girls knocked on the door and didn’t get a response so they called Friend thinking that they had passed out or something? It still makes no sense that you wouldn’t call 911 instead of your friends, but it seems to be the only thing that might make sense. And then, wouldn’t you think there would be bloody foot prints and blood on the door knob etc. leaving from the rooms that they would see?

And if there wasn’t apparent blood, how can that be? Doesn’t that lend itself more to that he had outer clothes that he changed off into something else, changed gloves, maybe showered there, maybe shed PPE or something to not leave a ton of blood leaving the rooms and house? Am I missing something to not understand how the roommates could not have seen blood all over outside those rooms?

We don’t know that the body was found before the friends came over, do we? It’s likely the survivors hadn’t even discovered the bodies yet.

 

[TwoBlueJays]

I am reposting a link to an extended interview of Ethan's parents.

Ethan's parents said in the interview that they got the call from his siblings WHO WERE THERE IN THE HOUSE.

Could it be that the roommates called Ethan's brother(s)/sister because they really thought he was unconscious?

Could one or more of the siblings be the one who called 911??

The mom said his siblings were there. She didn't say in the house. It sounds more like she means there as in at the University. As in the parents are in X town and the kids are 'there'.

 

[Curiousobserver]

I’m really starting to think this is someone the victims didn’t know. I think LE would’ve found him/her/them by now If it was someone in their circles or just on the outside of their circles.

I don’t think it was totally random but most likely someone the victims and roommates didn’t know at all

MOO

Someone hid in plain sight after the Delphi murders for many years. I hope that doesn't turn out to be the case here.

There is no reason to kill everyone you can reach for a simple burglary. There has to be a connection between the victims and the assailant. (MOO)

 

[Alethea]

From this interview with Kaylee's parents (towards the end of the video): Police release new info in U of Idaho slayings, including who called 911

Kaylee's mom confirms the person she was calling in the middle of the night was asleep and didn't receive the calls. She also says K & M were NOT in imminent danger at that point or they would have called 911. She says they were just calling J to talk. I assume her parents reviewed her calls and texts and any VMs to support this idea.

 

[SuziQ]

Good morning everyone. The more I think about the 911 call, the more I don't think it should be released. There is probably a lot relayed that needs to be kept for the investigation and to vet suspect interviews. There might be descriptors of the body, where it was, it's position, etc. Things only the killer would know. Imo.

 

[OtisC]

My apologies if this has been discussed.

When I watched the presser over the weekend, LE listed all the active participants in the case. He mentioned two FBI employees in West VA.

Are they specialists that happen to live in WV?

Are they agents that are investigating in WV?

Is there a WV connection to a suspect?

Just my thoughts.

Otis

 

[DizzyB]

not to play devil's advocate here, but as a college kid, I've had convos with my friends saying I would rather die than get transported to the hospital for alcohol poisoning. like my parents would murder me and overall getting transported is so embarrassing. If they saw e in the hallway and didn't see blood, assumed it was alc poisoning, the surviving roommates may have called other friends for advice or called e's frat brothers to see if they knew what drugs he took or how much he had to drink. When you're young, you would do anything not to get the police or medical professionals involved, especially when x and e were underage.
Living roommates would want to see what steps they could do to possibly prevent an ambulance from being called.

Absolutely. Alcohol related hospital visits open up a whole can of worms that can affect a student’s future. Have you ever heard of Jansporting or backpacking? I didn’t either until my kid explained it after a death. You put a backpack on a very drunk person in order to keep them upright so they don’t fall over and aspirate on their own vomit. It was common practice at her school. Kids have lives we know nothing about.

 

[TwoBlueJays]

best post of the day award goes to warwick7 imo. finally something that makes perfect sense, the triplet sibs being in the house and possibly being the 911 caller/s. would explain so much.

so, no ring cameras/video evidence of the skinned dog/lop eared bunny either? hm. c'mon. someone must've seen something at some point in all three of these (horrific) scenarios.

But we don't know that this is accurate. The parents did not say that.

 

[Mistree]

My apologies if this has been discussed.

When I watched the presser over the weekend, LE listed all the active participants in the case. He mentioned two FBI employees in West VA.

Are they specialists that happen to live in WV?

Are they agents that are investigating in WV?

Is there a WV connection to a suspect?

Just my thoughts.

Otis

There are BAU and many other specialized teams all over the country. This may just be a particular team that happens to be located/brought in from there. JMO

 

[CityKid]

I've said this before numerous times in here. I subscribe to this theory that they came from the back wooded area and the road behind. Police were seen in a news video squatting in the back wooded tree line and looking toward the house. They've roped off the perimeter with caution tape and it does extend into the trees.

Also, if it's a random person, those big glass sliders would be an easy target; plus, they might not have seen all the cars out front if they didn't approach from there.

 

[JosefZ]

MOO: Perhaps that isn’t a victim’s vehicle. I believe that could be the vehicle of someone visiting one of the surviving roommates, and it’s possible that this person might have been an overnight guest. Again, JMO.

Edited to add: This doesn’t mean that there is any culpability, or that anyone is a suspect. I’m just making an observation about a vehicle.

The vehicle appears to be the same vehicle shown in the google maps street view. I tried to find a date stamp on google image but couldn’t.

 

[Shamrock1]

Absolutely. Alcohol related hospital visits open up a whole can of worms that can affect a student’s future. Have you ever heard of Jansporting or backpacking? I didn’t either until my kid explained it after a death. You put a backpack on a very drunk person in order to keep them upright so they don’t fall over and aspirate on their own vomit. It was common practice at her school. Kids have lives we know nothing about.

My undergrad was unique in that Public Safety was actually there for safety. The officers would check in on parties just to chat with the hosts and keep an eye on things - not catch underage kids drinking. Probably a Quaker thing? I’m sure this policy saved lives.

 

[Missyrocks5]

I’m assuming the killer locked the doors to those rooms and closed them before he left. That’s why the surviving girls would have knocked on the door and not gotten an answer and may be called friends. But what I don’t understand is how could there not be apparent signs of blood outside the room and in the house? How could there not be, assuming the doors were locked and closed, blood on the door knob, foot prints on the floor, on and on? Did the killer clean up and shower and change clothes before he left? And if so, that certainly lends to premeditation and planning.

 

[Janitor101]

This is a very good point and food for thought.
But, I also think of when the coroner said:

“Mabbutt couldn't say how many times each victim was stabbed but said it was safe to say each of them had multiple wounds. She declined to say where on the body they were stabbed and later clarified that the victims were stabbed in different places and a different amount of times.”

So I would still assume there

If the scene was messy then I would assume the roommates would see blood, but maybe they were in shock and they couldn’t have time to process what is really happenjng

I'm having trouble with what they mean about messy, sloppy, left a mess of evidence? Is this a ploy by the FBI's behavioral unit to send a message to the perpetrator to mess with his mind? To scare him into thinking that he left evidence behind? This is so confusing.

 

[deluxeluxe]

My apologies if this has been discussed.

When I watched the presser over the weekend, LE listed all the active participants in the case. He mentioned two FBI employees in West VA.

Are they specialists that happen to live in WV?

Are they agents that are investigating in WV?

Is there a WV connection to a suspect?

Just my thoughts.

Otis

i believe there is a CJIS unit from WV, they focus on intelligence resourcing and overall information collection/mangement. Criminal Justice Information Services (CJIS) | Federal Bureau of Investigation

 

[tara83]

Don't blame Gen Z, it was their own individual choice to make that decision.

None of us knows how we would react in a situation unless we have been in it.It's easy to judge.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I have a question on the timeline. Not just directed to you. I find it odd two sets of people arrived from 2 different places at the same time. I'm wondering if they just know E and X were home at 1:45 a.m. when K and M got back? Meaning, by 1:45 a.m. everyone was accounted for. JMO

Agree, I speculated way back that maybe M&K called X&E from the food truck to pick them up because of hoodie guy <he's been cleared now> or someone else?

MOO

 

[CityKid]

Wow, this case is getting 1000 posts a day. I am prepared for my post to be immediately buried by a hundred random new posts.

Kaylee‘s parents seem to have given insight into why they were calling Jack 10 times late at night. This is all from 11/20 interview.

It seems they dated for a years, but Kaylee was “being a brat” by breaking up with him to take a break. But it sounds like she was begging him to Respond and come over the weekend she was in town.

The implication that he wasn’t responding and she was begging sounds like he was angry at her. Of course, doesn’t mean angry enough to Brutally slaughter a house full of people. But Her “last messages” to him i.e. text messages, maybe preceeded the 10 phone calls.

Also, I think it’s weird that the parents say they were going to get married. And have children. They were broken up college students and Kaylee was moving 1000 miles away to start a new life in Texas. Why was the mom talking about they were going to have children together some day?

From 11/20 interview
Mom - Jack was Kaylee's boyfriend for many years. They just recently broke up. There is no animosity at all. It was a break up on Kaylee's point. It was not... they still talked every single day. Kaylee just thought that she needed a little break. They were on the mends of getting back together. Kaylee talked to Jack the whole time she was here for that week and a half.

Dad - One of her messages, one of her last messages - she reached out to Jack and said 'Jack, get back to me' and then she goes 'we share a dog together', which they did, she's like 'you need to reach out to me', so..

Mom - 'Please come over'. She was wanting Jack to come over there. Jack is not.. they're wasting their time with Jack and Jack is just as distraught as we are.

I know we've talked about this before, but it sounds like they really like J and that might be a reason K doesn't share the minutae of the relationship. But none of her known plans of moving to a new state, backpacking trips etc. involved him.

 

[SkylarSid]

The information they released makes the roommates look worse than people were assuming. At the PC LE said they did not think anyone at the house when the 911 call was made was a suspect.

I don't think clarifying this helped anyone. It certainly doesn't make the roommates look better.

Then again, we have no clue who was at the house at the time of the 911 call.

 

[seasideForest]

so, no ring cameras/video evidence of the skinned dog/lop eared bunny either? hm. c'mon. someone must've seen something at some point in all three of these (horrific) scenarios.

On the map of the town you can see that the owners of the skinned dog lived on the edge of town so there were probably fewer ring cameras around. The owners of the skinned dog (poor little Buddy) mention not having locked their doors in all the 30+ years they'd lived there but they're going to now. If they hadn't even locked their doors before they probably wouldn't have had ring cameras or similar up.
They also have a fair amount of land and the bunny was found somewhere out on their property, so maybe no cameras out on some field either.
MOO
Information from here: Woman living close to scene of Idaho murders says her dog was FILLETED

The rabbit was found before the dog was killed, so if it's all the same killer, then that seems like an escalation to me. Small animal (and possibly wild) to bigger animal and definitely a pet to 4 people. They do say these types of killers tend to start with animals and then escalate. MOO